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[PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021

St. Louis Car Co builders photo. Obviously different looking from the R-32's.
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Assigned to the (N) in this undated photo, passing by "shoe fly" work on the Sea Beach line
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At the end of a mixed consist at the Brighton line's West 8th St station, things were getting backed up a bit. Does this still occur today ? (July 1969)
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Next three photos of some action at the West End line's 25th Ave station.
It's the end of the PM rush hour and the R-42 (RR) is on the conga line for layup at Coney Island Yard. (July 1978)

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Up close and personal ! (July 1978)
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Time to slap on the zoom lens and catch an R-32 (QB) waiting it's turn to enter Coney Island yard. (July 1978)
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At the 20th Ave. station, I caught this consist leaving the 18th Ave. station. Take note of the movie marquee on the Loews Oriental theater. (Sept 1978)
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Wide angle street view at 86th St. and Bay 26th St, the 20th Ave. station is nearby. (Sept 1978)
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I heard of R-38's on the (RR) and made a photographic pilgrimage to Queensboro Plaza where I tolerated the sub freezing temps to get this photo. (January 1979)
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R-38's made it out east and plied the rails on the (M) line seen here on the Williamsburg bridge. (March 1979)
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Taking advantage of the curve at the Myrtle Ave. line's Seneca Ave. station. This station was always a favorite spot for rail fans.(August 1979)
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At the Sea Beach line's Ave U station I guess on line for layup after the AM rush hour. (October 1979)
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The 80's weren't kind to the R-38's being tagged with graffiti but at decades end it was time for a general overhaul that would rebuild them and add air conditioning. Seen here at the 2nd Ave yard, the rehabbed R-38's will be placed on their trucks and off to Coney Island yard before being sent to their final destination. (September 14, 1987)
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In the pre-Air Train days, approaching Howard Beach station. (April 12, 1990)
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At the signal tower at Liberty jct, this set is only a few stations away of their final destination of Lefferts Blvd. (September 1990)
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by W.B. on Sat Dec 4 15:11:24 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

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An early "Train of Many Metals," I see: an R-38, followed by an R-40M, followed by an R-32, all in the same train. Wasn't this around the same time they started mixing and matching R-12 through R-36ML cars on some IRT ("A Division") routes?

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 4 15:21:38 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Phenomenal pics, Bill.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by W.B. on Sat Dec 4 15:11:24 2021.

An early "Train of Many Metals," I see: an R-38, followed by an R-40M, followed by an R-32, all in the same train. Wasn't this around the same time they started mixing and matching R-12 through R-36ML cars on some IRT ("A Division") routes?

Yes, I was told that a supervisor from the "A" division was sent to the "B" division and he replicated the mixing of car classes on the "B" division.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 4 15:21:38 2021.

Phenomenal pics, Bill.

Thanks Fred.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 4 19:42:28 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:03 2021.

So that explains the origin of the Borgaschmord Train era!:)

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 4 20:08:44 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:03 2021.

IRT at least kept GE and WH cars mostly separate (except the R33 singles).

Did they do they same here ? R42's would not have mixed with any GE cars if that were the case.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Dec 4 20:42:53 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Sweeeeeeeeeeet!!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by W.B. on Sat Dec 4 21:42:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:03 2021.

Ha. So that explains it. Must've been for the purposes of offering at least one set of A/C cars, no, whether R-40M or R-42?

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Dec 4 22:24:19 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

I have to bookmark this.
Just about my favorite cars and mostly in Brooklyn. Great combo. Very artistic. The movie marquee is gray for 1978

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Dec 4 23:06:00 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Awesome photos! Workhorse till the end, remember at one point these cars were holding down the C line all by themselves in their final years.




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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 5 00:07:42 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Wow and thanks!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 5 12:46:27 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 16:58:03 2021.

Although this wasn't the case, those Borgaschmord trains give the impression that yard crews didn't bother to sort out the cars after making yard moves and just left them as hodgepodge mixed bags.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Dec 5 14:51:20 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Awesome photos! Thank you for sharing.

I remember these days well. As a railfan I disliked the mixed consists. It appeared to have been done (or close) when I first started riding IND lines (around 1975), but I remember this practice well on the IRT lines.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:00:35 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 5 12:46:27 2021.

The Yard Master calls the moves.

The Yard Crews make the moves which the Yard Master directs.

When making yard moves, the crew doesn't know which cars are "inspections" or "holds" or upcoming inspection cars being put together onto the same consist or just building a train to go out on the road in service, or even for transfer to another yard. Main Shop transfer for instance.

It is not the job for the crews to "know". It is their job to "do".

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:01:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 5 12:46:27 2021.

The Yard Master calls the moves.

The Yard Crews make the moves which the Yard Master directs.

When making yard moves, the crew doesn't know which cars are "inspections" or "holds" or upcoming inspection cars being put together onto the same consist or just building a train to go out on the road in service, or even for transfer to another yard. Main Shop transfer for instance.

It is not the job for the crews to "know". It is their job to "do".

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 16:15:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:00:35 2021.

The Yard Master calls the moves.

The Yard Crews make the moves which the Yard Master directs.

When making yard moves, the crew doesn't know which cars are "inspections" or "holds" or upcoming inspection cars being put together onto the same consist or just building a train to go out on the road in service, or even for transfer to another yard. Main Shop transfer for instance.

It is not the job for the crews to "know". It is their job to "do"

Thanks, Bill from Maspeth

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 5 16:39:35 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:00:35 2021.

Great post

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 19:07:30 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:00:35 2021.

Yep. Thats the way it was done in freight service at Oak Pt. Yardmaster gets a "switch list" as in go to a particular track & switch out the cars on the list to make up a train. The yard crews just follow orders.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by r384149 on Sun Dec 5 22:42:58 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Fantastic pictures. I have 3975's number board hanging in my garage.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 6 06:58:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by r384149 on Sun Dec 5 22:42:58 2021.

Fantastic pictures. I have 3975's number board hanging in my garage.

Thank you, nice to hear.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 6 07:01:50 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by WayneJay on Sun Dec 5 14:51:20 2021.

Awesome photos! Thank you for sharing.

You're very welcome WayneJay.

Bill Newkirk


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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by zac on Mon Dec 6 10:34:40 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Great pics. I don't remember the R38s running on all of these lines but I don't doubt for a second that they did. It was anything and everything as long as they ran, or didn't as the case may be.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Dec 6 11:39:17 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

NICE PHOTOS

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 6 12:54:28 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by zac on Mon Dec 6 10:34:40 2021.

Great pics. I don't remember the R38s running on all of these lines but I don't doubt for a second that they did. It was anything and everything as long as they ran, or didn't as the case may be.

Thanks zac.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 6 12:55:06 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Dec 6 11:39:17 2021.

NICE PHOTOS

Thank you !

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by chicagoMotorman on Mon Dec 6 13:36:27 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 6 18:26:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 5 16:01:09 2021.

Point taken.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Express Rider on Mon Dec 6 21:15:39 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Enjoyed these photos. Thanks for posting them!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 6 21:28:21 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

Great shots. Thanks for posting the best looking St Louis Car that ever ran in NYC.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 16:44:25 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by zac on Mon Dec 6 10:34:40 2021.

The R38's ran on pretty much every line in the B Division except on the Canarsie and Jamaica Lines.

Yes, they did run on the M only in the Brighton Line Days.

From my memory on the following lines they made rare appearances: D,RR.

As for the Q, just when there was a big water main break when it ran to Brighton Beach from 207th St. But not on the all BMT version of the Q to my knowledge.

They haven't made an appearance on today's N/W combo.


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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by zac on Wed Dec 8 10:41:44 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 16:44:25 2021.

I was commuting to 8th Ave/50th St at the time of the water main break that also spewed asbestos. I took the D/Q to 53rd/7th instead and I remember the signs were orange Q/6th Ave/Brighton and was almost all R38.

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 8 11:32:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 16:44:25 2021.

As for the Q, just when there was a big water main break when it ran to Brighton Beach from 207th St.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 8 14:09:07 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

What awesome set of photos!!! Thanks so much!

In my opinion, the R38s were the best-looking cars that have ever run in the system!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 8 14:10:00 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Dec 4 14:06:00 2021.

I remember that there were a lot of R42s on the RR in 1978!

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Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 8 15:28:57 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's - The Post R-32 Fleet, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 8 14:10:00 2021.

I remember that there were a lot of R42s on the RR in 1978!

The R-38's on the (RR) was unusual, but made for good photos.

Bill Newkirk

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