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42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021

Yeah, the 42nd Street Shuttle, with its rebuilt platform layouts at each end of the line (Times Square and Grand Central), will be back into the fold tomorrow at 5:00am Eastern on Tuesday, September 7, 2021.

Viewed the ongoing work at both ends, with the most startling change at Times Square. Free transfer and exit signs towards 6th Avenue have been installed also for the "B", "D", "F" and "M" line. It is something else!

-William A. Padron
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OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

Gates opened at 5:50am on Tuesday, September 7, 2021.

Two R-62A six-car trains assigned in use...

Track 1 = n/#1936-1933-1935-1932-1939-1955/n.
Track 4 = n/#1943-1944-1947-1948-1908-1949/s.

First train in service was on Track 1 leaving at approximately 6:00am from Grand Central to Times Square. Second train in service would follow on track 4.

All middle seats in each R-62A car have been removed, with seats near car ends left intact. No more gap fillers at Times Square, leaving the ones on the southbound platform at Union Square-14th Street on the IRT Lexington Avenue Line (#4, #5 and #6 trains) remain as is. The bumper block had been shifted eastward (southerly) on track 1, which has been partially filled in, along with the former Track 3 completely filled in though on the new platform.

Free direct transfer between the IND 6th Avenue Line ("B", "D", "F" and "M" trains) and the Shuttle platform is available, not ADA compliant. There are doors that can be closed in the passageway corridor when the shuttle is not in service between 12:00 midnight and 6:00am, plus gates on the IND platform level.

And so it goes...

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 08:41:00 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

Corrected...

Track 1 = n/#1936-1933-1935-1932-1939-1955/s

Also, Track 1 is accessible through the southbound local track off the Lexington Avenue Line, and Track 4 is accessible through the northbound local track off the Broadway-7th Avenue Line.

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Sep 7 08:42:42 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

Interesting that the Track 4 train's lead motors had been singles (no full-width cabs). I assume that was adjusted. Also 1935, which had been a car with a full-width cab, was mid-train.


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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 08:45:15 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Sep 7 08:42:42 2021.

Yeah, at each end in the two six-car trains, all full width cabs, which can be adjusted when need be.

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 08:59:54 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

So this means that 42nd St.-Bryant Park, Times Square, and 42nd St.-8th Ave. can be considered one big free transfer point at least during the hours that the shuttle is running.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 09:04:45 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 08:59:54 2021.

Exactly! One transfer that goes the long distance! Get those walking shoes ready for a real hike!

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 7 09:18:41 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

someone put this on YouTube already



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 7 09:29:30 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.



William: Thank you for this news. It seems a trip to NYC is in order.

Hail and Farewell to Track No 3.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 10:00:37 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 7 09:18:41 2021.

Yeah, one of the contractors took that YouTube video, and showed it from his phone to a few early passengers (including me) there before the barricades and gates were open this morning. The Times Square platform really looks amazing at least!

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Sep 7 10:06:33 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 10:00:37 2021.

When the new, wide entrance at One Times square opens, it will offer a much-needed access point north of 42nd Street, and I think will positively impact the passenger flow patterns in and out of the station.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by VictorM on Tue Sep 7 10:28:16 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 7 09:18:41 2021.

I see at 1:56 they left that historic door entrance to the Knickerbocker Hotel visible.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 10:38:25 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by VictorM on Tue Sep 7 10:28:16 2021.

Yes, they did!

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 7 11:18:28 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 7 09:18:41 2021.

They've applied a lot of 1904 touches to Times Square.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 11:43:58 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

plus gates on the IND platform level

Don't you mean on the IND mezzanine level? How could the passageway from the 6th Ave IND to the Shuttle be on the platform level?



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 7 11:49:26 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

Any couplers linking cars, or are there all drawbars?

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 7 11:52:41 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 08:59:54 2021.

Can you continue from there to 5th Ave on the 7?

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 12:07:35 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 7 11:52:41 2021.

Who could stop you, once you've made it to the 6th Ave platform underneath 42nd, from walking south a block along the platform and taking the passageway to the 7?



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 12:07:55 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 11:43:58 2021.

Simple. Only one set of stairs, on each side, from the IND train platform level go up directly into the shuttle transfer passageway corridor. They are sandwiched between the 43rd Street and 42nd Street exit staircases, and they are not connected to the other separate mezzanines in that IND station.

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 12:10:30 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 7 11:49:26 2021.

They all are single cars, so I will have to assume that they are coupled together. I will check back later again though.

-William A. Padron
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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 12:17:50 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 12:07:55 2021.

Aha, that explains it. It sounds like the passageway is actually under 42nd street, perhaps even between the two tracks (???). I had thought it was along the north side of the street. I'll have to look clsoely at the video.




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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by The silence on Tue Sep 7 12:22:46 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 12:17:50 2021.

The passage was built within what had been track 3 of the shuttle.

The plan was to use a passage on the north side of the tracks conveyed via and underpass, but plans were changed a few months back because they realized tunneling under track 4 would require it to be taken OOS again.



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 12:54:14 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The silence on Tue Sep 7 12:22:46 2021.

Ah, that explains it. Back when the building on the northwest corner of 6th and 42nd was completed quite a few years ago, they said that a passageway in its basement would be used to connect the subways. Then silence for many years. So after all that, they didn't use that passageway.



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 14:59:28 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 12:10:30 2021.

I would expect that they are still single cars retaining their couplers. What would be the purpose of having 3 extra cars if a defect in either train requires that the whole 6 car train set be taken out of service?

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 7 15:25:45 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 14:59:28 2021.

We already have 6 car links on the #7 line.

We have 4 and 5 car links all over.

If one car has a defect in any link, the whole set get taken out of service.

Car Equipment likes linked cars because cables with the draw bar is much more dependable than the electric portions between the cars.

So I understand your point, and I agree with it. But what we think doesn't count. I was just asking because when the shuttle was 3 and 4 car trains I did see linked cars.

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NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 15:46:49 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 7 09:18:41 2021.

And now, a much longer video, with those two (2) six-car R-62A trains in service...

First Day of Reconfigured/Reconstructed 42nd Street Shuttle S With 6-Car Trains - Sept. 7, 2021

-William A. Padron
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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 7 16:16:37 2021, in response to NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 15:46:49 2021.

I can now transfer from the 7 at 5th Ave to the 7 at Times Sq. This has to be a first for the subway system.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 7 16:23:53 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 7 15:25:45 2021.

Were 1921-22-23-24-25 linked at one point? They were running 1921-22-25 as a shuttle train for a while.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 7 16:26:21 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by The silence on Tue Sep 7 12:22:46 2021.

A wise use of existing resources. Since the s/b express track (Track 2) was long gone anyway, cutting staircases where it used to be makes sense.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 7 16:32:56 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 7 16:16:37 2021.

It's great during inclement weather.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 17:42:25 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 7 16:16:37 2021.

The best is that you can be east of 5th on 42nd and what you need is an 8th Ave train, and the weather is miserable, so you walk underground to 8th Ave.

I work on 6th a bit above 42nd and it will be great to be able to catch the Times Square trains while staying dry.



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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Sep 7 17:51:09 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 7 16:16:37 2021.

In theory, they could continue the pedestrian passageway all the way to the Grand Central Shuttle platform. Now that would be the mother of all transfers!

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 7 17:54:22 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 17:42:25 2021.

why walk, just get on the 7

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 7 18:15:49 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

Although the shuttle itself is not in operation overnight, with the availability of electronic security, the transfer between the IND 6 Av Line and the T/Sq complex should ba able to be kept open 24/7.

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Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 18:37:21 2021, in response to Re: NEW VIDEO Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 7 17:54:22 2021.

Eh, sure.



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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 18:41:05 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by randyo on Tue Sep 7 18:15:49 2021.

It would be nice, because there is no transfer between the B/D and the 2/3 anywhere else other than Pacific Ave.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 18:42:29 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 18:41:05 2021.

No B (or 3?) that late at night, of course.



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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Andy on Tue Sep 7 19:51:26 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

Two questions:

Is it still possible to see the 1,2,3 trains passing the shuttle at the west end of the shuttle platform?

Is the new entrance open at Broadway at 43rd Street, outside the former Allied Chemical Building?

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 19:57:54 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by AlM on Tue Sep 7 18:42:29 2021.

The 3 short turns at Times Sq. using the layup track south of the station during the late night hours. Either transfer point is a hike to get from one line to the other.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by The silence on Tue Sep 7 20:24:51 2021, in response to Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by Andy on Tue Sep 7 19:51:26 2021.

That area still has work walls up. They’re not done with that side yet.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by zac on Tue Sep 7 21:04:55 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 7 19:57:54 2021.

And consider walking a long corridor like that at late night. I know I wouldn't do it.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Sep 7 22:41:35 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by zac on Tue Sep 7 21:04:55 2021.

I was thinking the same thing. I'll guess the passageway is lined with cameras. I'm sure that will tourists a great sense of security.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by jabrams on Tue Sep 7 22:47:39 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

So now you can transfer at the Times Square complex to/from the A, B, C, D, E, F, M, N, Q, R, S, W, 1, 2, 3, and 7. Only the G, J, L, 4, 5, 6 FS, and the Rockaway Shuttle doesn't stop there.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 8 09:12:04 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

I'll have to check it out....

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 8 09:14:26 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 08:41:00 2021.

So track access is the same as it always was...but not visible to the public at Times Square anymore....

And going forward, this route will require customized trainsets, like the Franklin....

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by zac on Wed Sep 8 09:21:14 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by jabrams on Tue Sep 7 22:47:39 2021.

Maybe the goal of the MTA was to make it the largest transfer point in the world.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:39:30 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 7 11:52:41 2021.

Yes. So you can now walk to the TS platform from the 5th Ave platform inside the fare control.

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Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:43:08 2021, in response to 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Mon Sep 6 21:06:36 2021.

From other vids I see no switches between the stations, Does this isolate track 4 to the West Side IRT and track 1 to the East Side? What happens when one train has to be taken out of service? There is no place to lay up a replacement.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 8 09:44:41 2021, in response to Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 8 09:14:26 2021.

5 car consists probably would have sufficed here.

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Re: OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021.

Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Sep 8 09:50:01 2021, in response to OPENED Re: 42nd Street Shuttle Reopens Tuesday 9/7/2021., posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 7 07:40:24 2021.

Why was this all necessary?

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