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Re: R-10's on the (N) ?

Posted by sloth on Wed Aug 11 12:03:10 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 11 09:46:59 2021.

If you have the link handy, I'd love to see that.

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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 11 12:24:04 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by sloth on Wed Aug 11 12:03:10 2021.

Not good at linking, but here's the URL.

The video starts in 1976, silent. You need to watch a bit to see the R32 Ls. It's an awesome video!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLyDJTk4tIo

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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Aug 11 19:07:12 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 10 05:55:30 2021.

Thanks!

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Posted by sloth on Wed Aug 11 20:36:00 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 11 12:24:04 2021.

Thanks! That was very cool. I was railfanning the Astoria RR in 1984 and I wasn't old enough yet to go wherever I wanted. By the time I checked out the M, it was nothing but red R-30s. The only R-16 I ever rode came up to Astoria on the rush hour B on its absolute last legs.

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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 16 09:18:09 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by sloth on Wed Aug 11 20:36:00 2021.

Similar here- in 1984, I was a very sheltered 16 year old. No way my parents would have let me ride the subway all the way out there, or even have taken me.



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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 16 10:47:49 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 1 20:31:11 2021.

I will never forget the summer of 1980. By then, the R-10s had been scattered all over the place. I rode them as "E", "F", "GG" and even "B" trains through 1981. I remember they still occasionally appeared on the "A", just as they were during my childhood, when R-10s and prewar cars owned the Rockaway Peninsula.

(When the Slants were new, they sometimes went out to the ocean as "E" trains, and R-40Ms and R-42s would make appearances on the "A", but the Rockaway Division had scores of Arnines and Thunderbirds covering the service through about 1976 or so. The R-46 mess threw everything into chaos.

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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 16 17:32:31 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 16 10:47:49 2021.

I remember they still occasionally appeared on the "A", just as they were during my childhood, when R-10s and prewar cars owned the Rockaway Peninsula.

Yeah, the R-10's would still occasionally appear on the "A", sometimes I would see as much of four train sets of them, even on the weekends too!

R-10 #3256, 207th Street, IND 8th Avenue Line; November 28, 1980; Photo by Doug Grotjahn, Collection of Joe Testagrose.


R-10 #3183, Beach 44th Street-Frank Avenue, IND Rockaway Line; May 1, 1982; Photo by Doug Grotjahn, Collection of Joe Testagrose.


-William A. Padron
["Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp."]


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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:14:01 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 16 17:32:31 2021.

Back where they belonged!:)

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:17:11 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:14:01 2021.

I rode on an R-10 Abbott during PM rush hour once in 1979 or 1980. Naturally, it didn't disappoint on the CPW dash. It thundered and blazed as only the R-10s could.

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:18:17 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:14:01 2021.

I rode on an R-10 Abbott during PM rush hour once in 1979 or 1980. Naturally, it didn't disappoint on the CPW dash. It thundered and blazed as only the R-10s could. I did notice that they must have taken a CC and tacked on extra car at each end. The eight inner cars had CC end signs.

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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 16 18:53:25 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 16 09:18:09 2021.

I was like that until I started high school at 13 when I had to take the subway by myself. Once that happened, I was able to explore all sorts of places on the NYCTS.

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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 16 18:56:17 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:18:17 2021.

They wouldn’t have tacked on a car at each end. They would just add a 2 car butt on one end of the train and set the drum switches for a 5 X 5 C/R position.

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 16 19:07:38 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 16 17:32:31 2021.

On my Far Rockaway round trip for my break-in as a conductor on the A line, I had an R10.

This was in late November, 1979.

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 23:18:58 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Aug 16 19:07:38 2021.

Never will forget that R-10 rocket ride out to Far Rockaway in July 1969. Once we had cleared that bridge, we were off to the races. That rain took off as though it had a Saturn V booster strapped to it.

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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Aug 17 00:46:43 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 16 18:17:11 2021.

That's why their sad end on the CC was extra sad to me as they were such beasts on the 8th Ave Express. I even had some good sprints riding them on the E and F lines.

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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Aug 17 00:55:36 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by WayneJay on Tue Aug 17 00:46:43 2021.

It's almost as if they had no business running on local lines.

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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 17 02:06:23 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Aug 17 00:55:36 2021.

In the late 1950s, a few R-10s made it to the AA/BB and I recall on weekends in late 1958/early 1959, the weekend AA was almost all R-10s.

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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 05:40:24 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 17 02:06:23 2021.

Yeah, I rode an R-10 set on the rush hour "BB" way back then in 1965, going from 34th-6th to Washington Heights. Somewhere in my collection is a duplicate color slide showing a train of them (north motor unit #3023) signed up for the "BB" going northbound at 59th-8th.

After Chrystie Street opened, the R-10's were also quite common on the "AA"/"B" services going up and down Central Park West, even during the 1970's. To whit...

R-10 #3125, 59th Street-Columbus Circle, IND 8th Avenue Line; May 6, 1970; Photo by Joe Testagrose.


R-10 #2950 (ex-1803), Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal/World Trade Center, IND 8th Avenue Line; April 24, 1975; Photo by Joe Testagrose.


R-10 #3298, 145th Street, IND 8th Avenue Line; October 25, 1976; Photo by Doug Grotjahn, Collection of Joe Testagrose.


-William A. Padron
["Wash.Hts.-6th Av.Lcl."]


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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 17 08:58:36 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 05:40:24 2021.

Thanks!!

That last pic must be the very early 1970s- the train is clean, and all the interior lights are working.

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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 17 09:03:25 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 16 18:53:25 2021.

I achieved independence when I bought my own car, just before I turned 18. Once I could drive anywhere, what was to stop me taking the subway?

My parents did let me use the subway a little bit by myself, in Manhattan only, from when I was about 15, buses from 14.

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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 09:20:23 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 17 08:58:36 2021.

That was taken two days after the Electric Railroaders' Association fan trip that operated mostly on the BMT Division lines. The first two cars seen there were #3298 (at the point as the south end motor) and #3231. The fan trip train also had cars #3220 and #2955 coupled to those two units.

Here is a batch of images from the R-10 fan trip on Saturday, October 23, 1976. Yes, I was on that particular one way back then...












-William A. Padron
["Special"]


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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 17 10:43:12 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 17 08:58:36 2021.

It says October 25, 1976

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 17 17:23:09 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 09:20:23 2021.

I would have loved to go on this trip, but I was only 4 years old at the time.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 17 17:26:51 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 16 09:18:09 2021.

I was banned from riding the subway myself until I got a job in 1988. However, I covertly began my exploring in 1985 when I'd take the A train from JHS 210 at Rockaway Blvd to ENY for the J to Woodhaven. Still had slants on the A when I first did this. Slowly worked up the courage to explore other lines, and when I didn't get slashed/mugged/kidnapped I lost any fear and quickly explored everywhere.

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Posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 17 17:49:15 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 17 17:26:51 2021.

I kept nagging my father in the late 1960's for a ride on the 3rd Av el in the Bronx. It never happened.

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 17 21:20:13 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 09:20:23 2021.

I was at UConn then. In fact, on that very same day we were up in Amherst playing UMass. After an 0-6 start, our football team finally won. It was a rowdy trip back to Storrs for the Marching Band that day.

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 17 21:23:50 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Aug 17 00:55:36 2021.

They were tailor-made for long express runs.

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 17 21:26:45 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 17 21:20:13 2021.

Very cool

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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 17 21:27:18 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 17 21:20:13 2021.

The World Series sweep of the Yankees was completed the day or two before.

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 18 06:50:39 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 17 21:23:50 2021.

And their R16 successor was tailor made for underground locals.

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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 18 08:05:33 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 17 17:49:15 2021.

Worst. Dad. EVER.

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 18 09:28:39 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 18 08:05:33 2021.

He was a lifelong Queens BMT person.

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Aug 18 09:31:04 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 16 09:18:09 2021.

Wow, I remember riding solo to my grandmother's house in ENY when I was still in elemetary school (age 9 or 10). Of course, this was in the late 60s. The usual scenario was that my school had an early release day, but my mother, who was a HS teacher had to work the whole day. I was attending PS 161 in Crown Heights, so I walk up 2 blocks to President St, get the 3 one stop to Franklin, cross over and get the 2 to Newlots (my grandmother lived close to the station). Of course at the RFW on the 2 :) I even got to see a GO where the s/b track was out of service west (north) of Junius. The 2 from Franklin would end at Utica, fumigate, then relay and head back north. Meanwhile, us geese were directed to the lower (northbound level) where a 2 would arrive. Changed ends and off we went southbound on the northbound (Track 4). Was weird to see it from that perspectve. At Junius, we'd crosssover to Track 1 (usually another 2 ould be waiting to head north, so probably only 2 trains were running the GO.

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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 18 11:07:47 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 17 17:49:15 2021.

That's unfortunate.

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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Aug 18 11:15:54 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 05:40:24 2021.

Back in 89 when the C became full time service I had 2951 for a 5 tripper out of 145. The only time I turned in the HM pockets. I think the R10s were allright on the CC since they kept mileages down for one trippers. They wore down fast their last 2 years on those 145 to WTC and Round Robins after they did their Brooklyn trip but they still outlasted those shitty Red R27s

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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 18 11:15:55 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Aug 17 00:55:36 2021.

I felt the same way about the R40 Slants.



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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Aug 18 13:25:38 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Aug 17 05:40:24 2021.

In 1975, when I was going to John Dewey HS, there was at least one R-10 on the B. I caught it a few times.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 18 14:07:43 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Aug 18 13:25:38 2021.

The dispatcher knew what interval for you.

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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 15:08:16 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Aug 18 13:25:38 2021.

Yeah, the R-10's on the West End line, no doubt. To whit...

R-10's on the BMT West End Line (17 images)

-William A. Padron
["B 6th Avenue"]


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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 15:18:14 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Aug 18 11:15:54 2021.

Yeah, for the brief time that they were on the "C" 145-WTC runs, they were quite fun and easy to ride back then. It was better than going way out to joyride them on the Rockaway Park Shuttle, by me having to take that long journey from my home in Washington Heights (Manhattan) to Broad Channel, and transferring there to wait for a train set that was coming from the Howard Beach lay-up track for a 3.7 mile trip traveling the "flats" while running lite.

-William A. Padron
["HH"]


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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 18 19:46:49 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 15:08:16 2021.

I wonder if anyone got a shot of the R-10 that I operated on the B in early 1970. The north motor was 3138, the one with the vents in the side door windows.

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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 21:32:37 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 18 19:46:49 2021.

Seem to cannot find #3138 on the "B" in early 1970 at this time, so will settle with this earlier image of the car in the middle of this "A" train service. This particular image was during the period when the fleet carried that paint scheme as pictured, and when you most likely operated it on the "B".

R-10 #1837 [re-#2984] w/#3138, Rockaway Boulevard, IND Fulton Street Line; July 4, 1969; Collection of David Pirnann


-William A. Padron
["Liberty Junction"]


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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 18 22:34:17 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 21:32:37 2021.

The dreaded half-and-half paint scheme, as I like to refer to it. They should have kept the racing stripe scheme until the changeover to platinum mist and blue.

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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 19 01:48:46 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 18 22:34:17 2021.

Even the half and half was better that the platinum mist and blue.

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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 19 01:50:38 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Aug 18 21:32:37 2021.

It’s too bad that nobody got a photo of it on the B because the day I operated it, it was the north operating motor of my train.

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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 19 14:08:59 2021, in response to Re: R-10's on the (N) ?, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 19 01:48:46 2021.

True.

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