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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 29 11:33:52 2021 Tuscarora Almanac – April 29, 1951 – The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division This is the last day of operation for the Rockaway Parkway trolley line (Rt.42). The final run is made by Peter Witt car 8344. This is also the last day for the Ocean Avenue Line (Rt.49). The last car is Peter Witt 8303. Source: ERA New York Division Bulletin / December 1979 & March 1980 / articles by Mr. Edward B. Watson Tuscarora Almanac - April 29, 1956 - The Book of First Runs Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division This is the first day of operation of IND Route A 8th Avenue Express trains over the former BMT Fulton Street El in Queens between 80 Street-Hudson Street Station and Lefferts Boulevard Terminal. The first train was a special which ran non-stop from Grant Avenue to Lefferts Boulevard. It carried passengers and various dignitaries. The consist was ten R-10’s, 3153,1811,3288,3316,1851,1817,3108,3185,3342,3343. The first train in regular service left Euclid Avenue at 12:21 PM and had a four car consist of R-10’s; 3004,1820,1808,3049. Source: ERA Headlights Magazine / June 1956 Tuscarora Almanac -April 29 , 1967 - The Book of Last Runs Jersey City, New Jersey Central Railroad Company of New Jersey This will be the last full day of service on the Jersey Central Railroad into Jersey City and Newark, as well as on the mainline west of Hampton and the Perth Amboy Branch. The last eastbound SEASHORE LINE train is No. 3366. It leaves from Bay Head Junction on the New York and Long Branch Railroad at 8:59 PM and arrives in Jersey City at 10:39 PM. The last westbound SEASHORE LINE train is No.3367. It leaves Jersey City at 9:47 PM and arrives at Bay Head Junction at 11:29 PM. The two trains actually past each other in the vicinity of Port Reading about 10:15 PM. They close out the service on the Perth Amboy Branch which had connected the CNJ Mainline at Elizabethport with the New York and Long Branch Railroad at Perth Amboy. The last eastbound NEWARK SHUTTLE is No. 7262. It leaves E-Port at 10:25 PM and arrives at Broad Street Station in Newark at 10: 39 PM. The last westbound NEWARK SHUTTLE is No.7267. It leaves from Newark at 10:55 PM and arrives in E-Port at 11:10 PM. The consist for both these runs were RDC’s 557 and 559. These two trains closed out the service on the Newark and Elizabeth Branch Newark and New York Branch . The premier train on the CNJ was the QUEEN OF THE VALLEY which ran all between Jersey City, New Jersey and Allentown, Pennsylvania six days a week. It still carried an open platform observation car. The last eastbound QUEEN was No. 1102. It left from Allentown at 8:00 AM and arrived in Jersey City at 10:15 AM. The consist was lead by Alco RS-3 1554.The last westbound QUEEN was No. 1199. It left from Jersey City at 5:12 PM and arrived in Allentown at 7:45 PM. With the Queen’s passing all passenger service west of Hampton, New Jersey came to and end. The last eastbound MAINLINE train was No. 1436 which left Raritan at 11:14 PM and arrived in Jersey City at 12:15 AM, early in the morning of April 30. The last westbound MAINLINE train and the last train of all to leave Jersey City was No.2483. It left from Jersey City at 12:42 AM on April 30 and arrived in Raritan at 1:39 PM. This ended all service on the Mainline east of East 33 Street Station in Bayonne. This was also the last day of operation of the Jersey City-Liberty Street Ferry. During the day both THE TIDES and THE NARROWS had been in service but only THE TIDES was running at the end. The last eastbound ferry left Jersey City at 12:19 AM, April 30 and arrived at Liberty Street eight minutes later. The last westbound ferry left from Liberty Street at 12:30 AM and closed out the service. Source: Bednar, Mike Jersey Central Line In Color; Volume 4:Pennsylvania 2014, Morning Sun Books A PERSONAL NOTE: The CNJ was an all diesel road which was kind of adopted by the electric rail fans of the New York-New Jersey Area. In a very real sense it was New Jersey’s own railroad even though its operations extended into Pennsylvania. (Not to mention a freight terminal in The Bronx, which was reached by car float.) It had major terminals at both Liberty Street in Manhattan and Jersey City. Both terminals had the usual services associated with railroad stations, ticket offices, baggage rooms, shoe-shine stands, newsstands and even a fruit and vegetable stand for homebound commuters. After the Aldene Plan was implemented CNJ trains arrived at Pennsylvania Station in Newark and then proceeded into a yard located in Harrison. Here several old CNJ coaches were coupled together to form a makeshift yard office and crew quarters. This yard was of course closed to the public and the only public face of the CNJ at Penn Station in Newark was a few ticket windows down at the end of the counter. I remember both the Liberty Street and Jersey City Terminals at Christmas times with Christmas trees and other decorations. I was there that night for the end. I rode the last outbound SEASHORE LINE train to E-Port and the caught the last round-trip of the NEWARK SHUTTLE. I then caught the last inbound train, No. 1436 to Jersey City and the last eastbound ferry. The CNJ Terminal in Jersey City still stands although it is no longer served by trains. Trains of the Hudson Bergen Light Rail Line now operate over portions of the former CNJ right-of way. Tuscarora Almanac – April 29, 1996 – The Book of First Runs Newark, New Jersey Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation PATH reintroduces express service to the Newark-World Trade Center Line. Three trains will depart from Newark at 7:30, 8:00 and 8:43 AM and run non-stop to Manhattan. This service ran for a six month trial period and was not continued. Veteran railfans will recall that prior to the implementation of the Aldene Plan in April 1967 Newark trains departing from Hudson terminal ran non-stop to Journal Square from 4:58 to 5:22 PM. Sources: ERA/ New York Division Bulletin / May 1996 PATH Service Guide / Eff. Through April 23, 1966 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 29 11:33:52 2021. This is the first day of operation of IND Route A 8th Avenue Express trains over the former BMT Fulton Street El in Queens between 80 Street-Hudson Street Station and Lefferts Boulevard Terminal. The first train was a special which ran non-stop from Grant Avenue to Lefferts Boulevard. It carried passengers and various dignitaries. The consist was ten R-10’s, 3153,1811,3288,3316,1851,1817,3108,3185,3342,3343.The first train in regular service left Euclid Avenue at 12:21 PM and had a four car consist of R-10’s; 3004,1820,1808,3049. Considering this facets... The Liberty Avenue elevated line portion has seen more years as an IND Division operation (exactly 65 years) than when it was a BRT/BMT Lines and Division service (40 years and 7 months). The former BRT/BMT signal route "K" designations are still there as a reminder from its past (even with the updated signals installed in 1956), but the change booths along the route are all in the IND N-1xx series. Some of those same car numbers used by the R-10's (including on that date in those first runs with #3288, #3316 and #3049) back then, have been recycled and used by the R-179's that are currently seen in service on the "A", particularly going to/from Lefferts Boulevard. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["K-1/2 595, N-141"] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 29 14:51:59 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021. William: That's an interesting observation. It's amazing how time marches on. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 29 15:24:46 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021. Let me get this straight! The special train between Grant Ave and Lefferts had 10 cars, but the "regular" service one had only 4 cars??? |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Apr 29 16:06:51 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021. The Culver line was BMT for 35 years (1919 to 1954) and has been 'IND' for 67 years (1954 to 2021). When my family bought a house in Kensington (18 Ave station) in 1960 the Culver 'D' service was only running for 6 years.The Culver was the 'D' for 13 years (1954 to 1967) and has been the 'F' for 54 years (1967 to 2021). I believe the 8th Avenue portion of 'A' train is the longest unchanged continuously running service in the IND/BMT system. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 16:54:45 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Dan on Thu Apr 29 16:06:51 2021. I believe the 8th Avenue portion of 'A' train is the longest unchanged continuously running service in the IND/BMT system.Yeah, the "A" opened initially from 207th Street to Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal in the same base 8th Avenue trunk route, with the extension later via the Cranberry Street Tube to Jay Street-Borough Hall coming afterward. It has been there for generations it seems. Of course, from March and October 1933 to April 1936, the "A" went out on the Smith Street line (to Bergen Street and Church Avenue respectively), and after that, was rerouted over the new Fulton Street Line, where even with extensions, it has remained there ever since. By the way, great observation from yours that the Culver Line has seen more years with service from IND Division trains than the BMT had back then. -William A. Padron ["Liberty Junction"] |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Apr 29 22:28:51 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021. The consist was ten R-10’s When were the stations lengthened to accommodate 10 cars? I'm guessing that that special dignitary train couldn't berth fully at the terminal or any stations on the elevated portion. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 23:22:59 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by gbs on Thu Apr 29 22:28:51 2021. When were the stations lengthened to accommodate 10 cars? I'm guessing that that special dignitary train couldn't berth fully at the terminal or any stations on the elevated portion.It was around 1955 that the station platforms up and down the line were starting to be extended for ten-car trains, and were all basically completed by the following year (1956). For the Lefferts Boulevard terminal station, the structure at the eastern end was sliced off, where the original mezzanine was on the train platform level there, after climbing a seeming long set of stairs. It was replaced with a new fabricated metal el structure with an extended platform at the top, a new center mezzanine, and a new pair of staircases to and from the street (Liberty @ Lefferts). A new entrance/exit was established at 116th Street and Liberty Avenue, with the appearance of the platform extended on the western end, and its signal interlocking tower possibly adjusted and reconfigured to a better location to accommodate the ten-car trains. Stations at 80th, 88th and 104th Streets had their platforms extended each at their eastern ends, and 111th at the western end. For some odd reason, Rockaway Boulevard does not have the appearance of having been ever extended at all, but a ten-car train does clear into the station in full and easily. -William A. Padron ["K2-588"] |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 30 00:47:32 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 23:22:59 2021. Thanks for the info, but the stations were actually extended to be long enough for 11 car trains (660 ft) since the that's how long the E&F were in the mid 1950s when the stations were extended. You can verify this if you measure the lengths in Google satellite view. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Apr 30 02:18:53 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 23:22:59 2021. That would make sense as the stations on the Jamaica line which was built in the same era as the extension to Lefferts Blvd. even today can only platform 8 67' cars. Was the same thing done on the Culver line which was taken over by the IND as an extension of the line which formerly terminated at Church Ave. two years earlier in 1954? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 07:17:44 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by murray1575 on Fri Apr 30 02:18:53 2021. Was the same thing done on the Culver line which was taken over by the IND as an extension of the line which formerly terminated at Church Ave. two years earlier in 1954?Looking at some of the earlier photos from the 1950's during the transition from BMT to IND, the platforms were most likely extended also on the Culver Line, including at Coney Island. The clue in all of that is seeing a different design type of station lamps seen on the outside portions (not under the overhead canopy). -William A. Padron ["B1-317"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 07:26:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 30 00:47:32 2021. ...but the stations were actually extended to be long enough for 11 car trains (660 ft) since the that's how long the E&F were in the mid 1950s when the stations were extended. You can verify this if you measure the lengths in Google satellite view.Yeah, I can see there could be some of the extra space, particularly at the intermediate stations, for a 11-car train to be cleared into the station. I have to wonder if the Pitkin Avenue extension stations, such as at Euclid Avenue, and at Grant Avenue was originally built for only ten-car trains, as I see no "wiggle" room in the front (where the 10 car marker is located) whenever I rode the trains through there, unless there is extra platform space in the rear of the platform I am not aware of [except I do know it has at 75th Avenue on the IND QBL]. -William A. Padron ["Euclid"] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 13:13:50 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 29 11:33:52 2021. Thank you, as always!!! I'm going to go out on a limb and ask- I guess the Liberty Street ferry terminal was demolished during WTC construction?I do remember the New Jersey side terminal lasted until at least the early 1980s- my mother pointed it out to me from the car as Dad was driving north along West Street, under the abandoned Miller Highway... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 13:16:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 13:47:44 2021. Cool- numbers from the R10 cars, originally assigned to the A, are now being used by R179s, also running on the A. I wonder if the R179s will eventually migrate all over the B Division, as the R10s did?Do you know if R10s ever ran in regular, non-fan service on the R (RR) or L (LL) ? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 14:47:40 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 30 13:16:14 2021. I have heard stories and certain eyewitness accounts that the R-10's may had run on the "N" or "RR", but I have yet to see any photographic evidence to date. Given the large number of cars that would have been available at the time, the R-10's might have, and probably would not be a surprise, at least to me.The R-10's did appear on the BMT Canarsie Line in the 1950's and 1980's though...     -William A. Padron ["14th St.-8th Avenue"] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 18:14:33 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 07:26:18 2021. When I worked the A as a M/M and later as a T/D at Lefferts, it seemed to me that the platforms along the old structure could only hold 10 cars. As I have mentioned in a few posts, the contact book I saw that showed the connection between the IND and the Fulton el indicated that existing BMT signaling was to be used beyond the 80/Hudson St interlocking. Whether or not we agree as to the existence of a partial station shell at 76 St, it is definite that the intent of the B of T was to have an extended Pitkin Ave subway connect to the reclaimed LIRR ROW via an upramp from the subway in the vicinity of old Aqueduct station. Once it was discovered that for whatever reason the subway could not be extended plans for the el were modified to allow for a connection which we now know as Liberty Jct to be built to the LIRR ROW which now would require modifications to the signal system so using the existing BMT signaling was no longer an option. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 18:18:58 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 23:22:59 2021. Your explanation was a little vague. When Lefferts Blvd was extended for 10 car trains, was there enough clearance for the platform to be extended west (RR north) toward the existing switches or was new girder work built to extend both the platform and trackways east towards Lefferts Blvd? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 18:38:17 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 14:47:40 2021. It’s intersting that the destination sign on the R-10s read simply “Canarsie” like it did on the steels and multis since the R-16 signs read “Rockaway Parkway." |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:25:35 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 18:18:58 2021. Here is a link through a search into the New York Transit Museum's photo archives, with the key word "Lefferts". Click any of the images related to the Lefferts terminal station, both as BMT and IND, and you see at least one image from a different era of the place, including the new girder work. Also, look at the negative strip where at the eastern end of the station on one shot shows the dividing line between the wooden platform and the concrete one with the end.New York Transit Museum Collection Search: "Lefferts" However, I have provided also below a set of images giving anyone an idea of Lefferts over the years. It will be very long to explain here, but take a good look at all the surroundings in each of these image posted here. There are clues that are to looked at carefully.        -William A. Padron ["<-116 St - Lefferts Blvd", IND sign] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:41:46 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 18:14:33 2021. Yeah, and look carefully at signal K1-491 [80th-Hudson looking westward]. The signal was changed in transition, but the BMT K-route designation and chaining number remained the same...   And a bonus, with the new extended platform at 80th-Hudson looking eastward, showing a Multi on the center track...  -William A. Padron ["<-77th St - 80th St->"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:44:43 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:41:46 2021. Actually, it is signal K2 491, as each seen in those images. So I stand and sit corrected though.-William A. Padron ["Grant"] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 19:50:58 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:25:35 2021. Thanks. The photos of the east end of the station explain a lot. Additional steel work was added to the structure to accomplish the platform extension which is what was planned anyhow even if the existing BMT signaling could have been used. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 20:07:50 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:25:35 2021. Fron the NYTM archives, Lefferts Avenue in the BMT era, about to become Lefferts Boulevard in the IND era...       As a bonus, here is the link to one of two ohoto albums showing the platform, end to end, at Lefferts Boulevard, with the R-10's there. NYTM Archives-Photo Record: Elevated Line and Sidewalk Conditions At Lefferts Boulevard and 116th: IND Fulton Line. -William A. Padron ["Q10 Bus to JFK Airport"] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 22:45:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:44:43 2021. I operated past that signal many times. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 22:52:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 20:07:50 2021. I dated a few ladies who lived in that neighborhood when I was going to college, and they told me that the street was known as Lefferts Blvd as long as they could remember even though prior to IND operation the station was called Lefferts Avenue. What is intersting is that on the R-11s which had both BMT and IND readings, the BMT part of the sign read Lefferts Ave while the IND portion read Fulton-Lefferts Blvd. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 23:20:15 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 20:07:50 2021. Yes, the street below was known as Lefferts Boulevard, and most likely it became that way when the Queens Street renaming plan went into effect, most likely a few years after the el station opened in September 1915.One of the better unanswered questions would be as to why the BRT or BMT never changed the station name signs there at least from "Lefferts Avenue" to "Lefferts Boulevard" in the first place. "Lefferts Boulevard" was listed as a street in the 1939 WPA NYC Guide, but as "Lefferts Avenue" for the BMT elevated station. SMH on that one. When the Jamaica Avenue elevated was being built, and based upon what I had seen inscribed on the negative from a print in the TM archives, the station at 111th Street was to have been called "Greenwood Avenue", such like on the Liberty Avenue route. Of course when it opened in May 1917, it (the station and street) was known as 111th Street by that time. -William A. Padron ["<-Napier Ave - Greenwood Ave->"] |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 1 01:30:50 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 23:20:15 2021. The Astoria Line has 2 stations that were originally “avenues” that were upgraded to “boulevards.” AStoria Blvd and Ditmars Blvd were both avenues when the line was first built and Junction Blvd on the Flushing Line was originally “Junction Avenue.” There is a photo I saw recently showing a train of Steinways at Astoria when IRT service still went there and the station sign read Ditmars Blvd although I recall from when I worked out of there that the small signs on the light columns bore the initials “D.A.” Another street that was upgraded was Hunt Pt Ave in the Bx. When I first remember riding the Pelham Line in the 1950s, the station signs read Hunts Point ROAD. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 1 02:53:08 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 07:26:18 2021. I remember there were 11 car signs at stations all up and down the Fulton St line back in those days, including resume speed indicators. However at some of the local stations the 11 car sign was a couple of feet beyond the end of the platform. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 1 08:56:03 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 19:41:46 2021. LOVE that racing stripe scheme! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 1 08:59:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Apr 30 14:47:40 2021. The Larry is presetly one of two lines where you don't need to worry about route and destination signs. |
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Posted by Dan on Sat May 1 11:53:21 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 29 16:54:45 2021. One of the main reasons my parents bought a house near the IND-Culver line because it made my father's commute into midtown a much easier one-seat ride. Prior to that we lived in Fort Greene near the Myrtle Avenue el and my dad's commute was more difficult. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 11:59:39 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by randyo on Sat May 1 01:30:50 2021. I have to add this, at is in regards to 111th Street, but in a different neighborhood of Queens...When the IRT was planning to extend the line from Alburtis Avenue-104th Street (now better known as 103rd Street-Corona Plaza), the company had listed a station on one of the early maps, currently seen on museum Lo-V trailer car #4902, as to built at "Tiemann Avenue / DePeyster Street". When it opened above Roosevelt Avenue in October 1925, it was listed and known as "111th Street". -William A. Padron ["111"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 1 14:32:26 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 11:59:39 2021. Didn't a lot of named streets in Queens become numbered ones around that time? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 1 15:09:24 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 1 14:32:26 2021. Yes. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat May 1 15:54:21 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 1 14:32:26 2021. Yes, note how the Astoria and inner Flushing els retained dual names to be familiar for locals. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 1 16:28:25 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by K. Trout on Sat May 1 15:54:21 2021. Even many of the street signs had the new number and original name on them. |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 1 16:34:28 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by randyo on Sat May 1 01:30:50 2021. And did you know that Ditmars Blvd in Astoria and Ditmas Avenue in Brooklyn are from the same family, just variations in spelling? |
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Posted by zac on Sat May 1 16:35:59 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 30 22:52:14 2021. Would the R11s be light enough to run on the original el sections? Otherwise how would they get there? |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sat May 1 18:43:40 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by K. Trout on Sat May 1 15:54:21 2021. Even numbered streets got renumbered - the old signs at 82nd Street in Jackson Heights had the original name, "23rd Street," in a smaller font in parentheses below. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 19:15:29 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sat May 1 18:43:40 2021. Actually, 82nd Street in Jackson Heights was formerly 25th Street. Some of the apartment buildings on that street that I have seen, and still to this day, carry their old and current address numbers on small gold plated signs as attached on each of their columns.Ely Avenue in Long Island City was renamed as 23rd Street. -William A. Padron ["15 - Fifth Avenue-Jackson Heights"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 19:23:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by zac on Sat May 1 16:35:59 2021. Nope!The R-10's weighed at 81,200 lbs. per car. The R-11's weighed at 81,475 lbs. per car, before being converted as R-34's, which afterward increased the weight to 82,500. Source: MTA NYC Transit Passenger Car Data 1947-1976, New Car Engineering Department. -William A. Padron ["Hinsdale Street"] |
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Posted by gbs on Sat May 1 23:26:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 19:15:29 2021. And Van Alst as 21 St. (Note the overhead station sign in Standard font, not Helvetica. Photo dated 1999) 
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat May 1 23:49:10 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 19:15:29 2021. There were some other name changes too. Broadway in Flushing was renamed to Northern Blvd. since there is another Broadway in Astoria/Woodside/Elmhurst. However the LIRR station retained its original name. |
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Posted by zac on Sun May 2 07:56:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by William A. Padron on Sat May 1 19:23:47 2021. Yea, didn't think so. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 2 08:29:54 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by murray1575 on Sat May 1 23:49:10 2021. There must be at least three Broadways inside the city limits. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun May 2 10:18:55 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 2 08:29:54 2021. Broadway in Manhattan extends north into the Bronx via the Broadway Bridge which also carries the 1 line tracks. There is also another Broadway which goes across Brooklyn. I wish that there were a law in Nassau County eliminating duplicate street names as there are a multitude of duplicate street names in different communities sometimes very close to each other. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun May 2 19:16:34 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by murray1575 on Sun May 2 10:18:55 2021. There is also a Broadway in the borough of Staten Island (Richmond County) too. Their version is a north-south street stretching from Richmond Terrace to Clove Road.Now, according to NY1 News, there is a "Main Street" in each of the five New York City counties. For example, "Main Street" is on Roosevelt Island, not on Manhattan island though. -William A. Padron ["Zip Code 10044"] |
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Posted by gbs on Sun May 2 22:33:22 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun May 2 08:29:54 2021. Every borough has a Broadway, and Manhattan also has Old Broadway, West Broadway, and East Broadway. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 2 22:39:15 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 1 08:56:03 2021. When I first saw that on the R-10s, I was hoping that it would have been applied to the entire fleet of all 3 divisions, but unfortunately the only “improvement” to the rest of the fleet was painting a number of the cars the R-29 Tartar red. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 2 22:44:55 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 29, posted by Dan on Sat May 1 11:53:21 2021. They made the move at the right time because prior to 1954, the Culver never went to midtown. Culver el trains ran to Park Row via the 5th Av el and Culver subway trains went to the Nassau Loop. |
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