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[VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021 |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Apr 20 17:02:13 2021, in response to [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021. Note that Chicago PCC streetcars are wider than the PCC streetcars out East.DH |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 20 17:40:56 2021, in response to [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021. From then on, any bus made for Chicago had to have a "cherry" handle to open the doors in an emergency. (They look like a cherry tootsie pop). |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 18:01:51 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Apr 20 17:02:13 2021. Note that Chicago PCC streetcars are wider than the PCC streetcars out East.Also more doors than most PCC's. Were the Green Hornets the longest PPC's in length ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 20 22:43:26 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 18:01:51 2021. Yes. They were the longest single-end PCCs ever built at 50' 5". They had three sets of doors. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Wed Apr 21 10:17:04 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Apr 20 17:02:13 2021. Note that Chicago PCC streetcars are wider than the PCC streetcars out East.Due to their extra width, the trucks were installed a bit off-center to allow clearance for the wide cars to pass on existing tracks. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Apr 21 12:18:29 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 20 22:43:26 2021. What a horrible crash, that hits me hard, I'm 16% fame burned from a gas fire. |
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Posted by Joe on Wed Apr 21 14:51:49 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by BMT Standard on Wed Apr 21 10:17:04 2021. Thanks for confirming that the trucks were slightly off-center. Three inches or more?I'm guessing these cars were built for a fixed conductor position forward of the center doors. I cannot find a roster diagram for them. -- In later years in Brooklyn the separate narrow doors up front seemed constricting when wide-front-door buses appeared. Unless I am mistaken, streetcars designed in the 1920's sometimes had front doors without centerposts. If I ever again visit Branford, I'll have to note width of PCC doors vs. other cars in their collection. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 21 15:25:21 2021, in response to [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021. I’ve never heard of this until now. Thank you for posting. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 21 15:50:39 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by BMT Standard on Wed Apr 21 10:17:04 2021. Didn't most of these cars get dismantled and used various traction parts and window sash to make L cars ? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 21 17:25:46 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe on Wed Apr 21 14:51:49 2021. Illinois Railway Museum has an operable Green Hornet.I would further dispute the narrator's claim of "safe motor vehicles" as we kill 38-40kpeople in road accidents each year but very few in all transit/transport. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Apr 21 18:22:06 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe on Wed Apr 21 14:51:49 2021. 86th St & 8th Ave (Brooklyn) ca. 1946. 
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 21 18:43:37 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 21 15:50:39 2021. 570 Green Hornets were sent to St. Louis Car Company and were stripped of all components, which were used to build the 6000s from 6201 to 6720 and the 50 singles. Only 4391 survives, alive and well, at IRM. I've ridden on it several times there. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 21 18:45:36 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe on Wed Apr 21 14:51:49 2021. The Green Hornets were rear entrance PCCs, the only time such an arrangement was ever ordered. The conductor was just inside and across from the rear doors, which he controlled. The center exit door had a treadle that was pushed out when released, while the front doors were controlled by the motorman. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 21 18:48:27 2021, in response to [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021. Supposedly the motorman on that ill-fated PCC was told he would be going straight at 62nd Place, as they had just about finished pumping the water out of the underpass. As to why he ignored the flagman is unknown. |
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Posted by Asgard on Wed Apr 21 21:11:50 2021, in response to [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Apr 20 16:12:55 2021. The "efficient motor bus" statement is illustrated with a picture of a trolley bus. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 01:14:32 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Apr 21 18:22:06 2021. Where was that photo taken? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 22 06:34:20 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Asgard on Wed Apr 21 21:11:50 2021. The "efficient motor bus" statement is illustrated with a picture of a trolley bus.Yeah, I saw that too and the ex-SEPTA PCC in SF. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 22 06:36:37 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 01:14:32 2021. Where was that photo taken?8th Ave & 86th St. Brooklyn. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Apr 22 08:53:12 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Apr 21 18:22:06 2021. The PCC saved at IRM has the rear door. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 22 10:00:58 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 21 17:25:46 2021. Do they have any other sort of PCC from Chciago or anywhere else ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 22 11:24:14 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 22 06:34:20 2021. Movie magic to deceive the experts.:( |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 22 15:04:04 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 22 10:00:58 2021. From memory, might want to check their site.One CSL pre-war PCC, one post-war CTA PCC. Also several ancient Chicago wooden L cars, several CRT and CTA L cars and n IRT Redbird or 2. If one has time, the other museum in South Elgin has one of the 4 experimentals built for CRT as it was becoming CTA. They look very much like the pre-war BMT Bluebirds. Both museums worth a visit--vastly different vibes. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:19:10 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 22 06:36:37 2021. Must have been some sort of fan trip since I don’t think PCCs ever ran in regular service on that route. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:21:32 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 22 15:04:04 2021. The design of the Chicago artics was based on the design of the Bluebird which the CRT officials rode on tests here in Bkln while looking for potential designs for new rolling stock. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:23:45 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 20 22:43:26 2021. Another interesting and unique feature of Chicago PCCs was that unlike every other PCC which had foot controls, Chicago PCCs had hand controls. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Thu Apr 22 17:30:46 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 22 15:04:04 2021. "their site" refers to Illinois Railway Museum at Union. In addition, IRM also owns CSL 4001, built by Pullman in 1934, a streamlined car usually described as pre-PCC. A similar car was built by Brill in 1934, which presumably was eventually scrapped, as it no longer is listed in IRM's roster. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Apr 22 18:22:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:19:10 2021. Must have been some sort of fan trip since I don’t think PCCs ever ran in regular service on that route..You may be right. That's the PCC with the one of a kind paint scheme. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 22 19:13:33 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:23:45 2021. All 83 Blue Geese were converted to one-man operation in 1952 and received pedals. A group of Green Hornets were converted to optional one-man/two-man operation and received pedals as well, |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 22 19:15:38 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 22 15:04:04 2021. Blue Goose 4021, the sole surviving Chicago prewar PCC car, is at IRM and is on static display. It was cosmetically restored to its 1936 appearance. Unfortunately it is not operable. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 23 01:49:24 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 22 19:13:33 2021. Thanks for the update. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 23 14:14:29 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 22 17:21:32 2021. And unfortunately, NYC scrapped all their Bluebirds. It would've been so good if NYC had saved that unique BMT equipment. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 23 14:29:48 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 23 14:14:29 2021. While CTA retained PCC technology for the decade for the L, they went quickly to married pair cars, rather than articulateds. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 23 20:17:34 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 23 14:29:48 2021. There were 50 single cars built from recycled Green Hornet components. They saw service on the Evanston and Skokie Swift lines, fitted with trolley poles. During rush hours, they ran in trains on the Evanston Express. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Apr 24 03:24:50 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by George Foelschow on Thu Apr 22 17:30:46 2021. The Norristown High Speed Line...
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 24 09:44:52 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 23 20:17:34 2021. And they could, and did, operate with 6000-series cars. Their doors were closer to the ends of the car. Except during rush hours, they ran as single units on the Evanston line as a shuttle between Howard and Wilmette, and the fare was collected on the train. If you were continuing to Chicago, you obtained a transfer from the motorman. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 24 09:47:48 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 22 15:04:04 2021. IRM acquired most, if not all, of the CTA's private collection back in the 90s. This included Old Pullman 460 and Blue Goose 4021. From what I've been told, 460 still has its original wheels, which can only run on streetcar-style rails. I've seen it in one of their barns. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 24 10:30:04 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 24 09:44:52 2021. I suppose the doors in the singles were close to the cabs for OPTO fare collection ?Too bad CTA did not buy the North Shore Electroliners in 1965. They would have been cool on the Skokie Swift, but fare collection on board would be expensive. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 24 10:31:05 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 24 09:47:48 2021. Would it derail on conventional RR track ? |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Apr 24 11:59:08 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 23 20:17:34 2021. As I recall, several of them (4?) had experimental high speed motors, and were red rather than green. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 24 15:35:01 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Asgard on Sat Apr 24 11:59:08 2021. Correct. 2 married pairs and 4 of the singles had a shunt on the controlstand which allowed the operatorto change wiring such that they could run faster. I was on a CERA fantrip when George Krambles (CERA member #1 and a CTA official)took over from the assigned motorman, punched the button and we speeded up. Until BART opened, CTA had the US rapid transit speed record for a test run at 76.x mph. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 24 15:36:19 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 24 09:47:48 2021. Yes,it is in one of the barns. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 25 09:58:57 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 24 10:30:04 2021. I think that is exactly why the doors were closer to the ends. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 25 09:59:41 2021, in response to Re: [VIDEO] The Green Hornet Streetcar Crash, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 24 10:31:05 2021. I believe so. |
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