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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 19:03:12 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 17:00:35 2021. A few R-16 did have Southern Div readings. Why they didn’t have all BMT readings I don’t know. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Feb 17 19:12:51 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 19:03:12 2021. A few R-16 did have Southern Div readings. Why they didn’t have all BMT readings I don’t know.Could those southern division front route signs be from when the R-10's and R-1's were assigned to the BMT and were replacements? Also, were there any southern division reading on the side signs ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 19:39:10 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Feb 17 19:12:51 2021. For Brighton Beach and Astoria, I think its was on all of them. Every R16 consist I saw on the early months of QJ had Brighton Beach, and every R16 on an RR had Astoria. No cardboard.I have no idea if they had 57th Street, Continental Av, Times Square, Coney Island, or Kings Highway. I think the R16 may have been contemplated for Broadway-Brighton service in 1954 to compete with Arnines on the recaptured Culver and compare with R10's on 8th Avenue, but not for the rest of the Southern Division. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 06:34:31 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 19:39:10 2021. As a refresher, here are some images from nycsubway.org showing the R-16's in service on the BMT "RR" (or "#2") Line. They were all photographed on this day of February 18, 1968 (53 years ago)...R-16 #6312, DeKalb Avenue, BMT 4th Avenue Line.  R-16 #6313, 30th Avenue (Grand Avenue), BMT Astoria Line.  R-16 #6477, 30th Avenue (Grand Avenue), BMT Astoria Line.  R-16 #6313, Ditmars Boulevard, BMT Astoria Line.  -William A. Padron ["Astoria"] |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Feb 18 06:35:37 2021, in response to [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Feb 16 08:11:59 2021. What year is this photo from? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 06:56:58 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Feb 18 06:35:37 2021. What year is this photo from?I don't really know what year it is. Maybe randyo may know when the SIRT cars were assigned to the Franklin Shuttle. The SIRT cars were also on West End line to Chambers St. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 08:41:41 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 06:34:31 2021. Somebody got cute with the route signs.How come they had "2" route, but "95th Street" had to be cardboard ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Feb 18 08:54:01 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Feb 16 00:51:28 2021. Thanks, everybody, this has been a really interesting thread! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 18 09:13:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 06:56:58 2021. Bill: SIRT cars were assigned to the Franklin Avenue Line on May 28, 1959. They usually ran only in shuttle service but could also be seen in the through service to Brighton Beach Coney Island on Sundays. IRT Lo-V's began running on the shuttle on September 21, 1959 and eventually displaced the SIRT cars. The Lo-V's remained in service until early 1961 when the SIRT cars returned and lasted until April 17, 1961. Thank to MR Linder for this information Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 10:16:16 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 08:41:41 2021. Looking at my copy of the book "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of New York City Subway Rollsigns and Ancillary Items - Volume 1: BMT and IND Lines - 1914 to 1970's", and on the chapter covering the R-16's on pages 208 to 225...In approximately 80 cars, the "95th Street" plus five other designations for the BMT Southern Division (routes #1 and #2), were inserted and added to the original roll signs in 1958. Later, on just 32 cars, the "Smith 9th St" and "Continental Avenue"(duplicating "Queens Forest H'ls") were added and inserted on the roll signs for IND "GG" service in 1966. Those related as and for "QJ", "JJ" and "RR" (but not for "RJ") came in 1967. When cars #6300-6349 went to the IND 1956-1958, they had signs only for in connection with the "A", "AA", "BB" and even the "HH" to/from Court Street. To think, the R-16's roll signs when originally installed in 1954 at first had designations for the #14, #15, #16 and #10 routes only (no #13). -William A. Padron ["Hunter Illuminated Sign Company"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 10:48:56 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 10:16:16 2021. I wonder what they planned for those 80 cars. Put them on the QT and RR to supplement R27's until R30's came along ? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 12:03:29 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 10:48:56 2021. It was probably that during 1958 had seen those R-16's were going to the Southern Division, possibly and perhaps the same way when 30 R-10 cars went to the Eastern Division in 1954, to train and familiarize the crews of the newer SMEE cars forthcoming. The R-27 contract was ordered in 1959.It was also in that same year being reported when some BMT AB cars were sent to the "F" line. They had designations added on the roll signs to them that included "179 Street", "34-6 Ave.", "Smith-9th Sts."(in addition to "Forest Hills-Queens", plus "GG Local") and "Church Ave.", but no designation for any other IND route, including even for the "F". -William A. Padron ["NYMR"] |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 18 12:56:42 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 12:03:29 2021. Were they actually used on the "F" line, or just the "GG" line? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 13:38:45 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Feb 18 12:56:42 2021. According to one unconfirmed observation, the BMT AB's may have been seen on the "F". No other details forthcoming.-William A. Padron ["Crosstown Line" |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 13:55:02 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 13:38:45 2021. Randy said IND crews weren't qualified. But if it did happen, it would have been 9 car Standards with the conductor at the 5/6 position in the middle of the 5th car. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 14:17:35 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 18 09:13:54 2021.  SIRT cars on the West End line. 
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu Feb 18 14:44:26 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 14:17:35 2021. NICE |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Thu Feb 18 15:22:15 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 14:17:35 2021. The SIRT served out their last year or two on the West End - Nassau St. local. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 18 15:27:37 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by BMT Standard on Thu Feb 18 15:22:15 2021. Did any deadhead to ENY for mid-day lay-up ? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Feb 18 15:44:55 2021, in response to R1s-9s, posted by Express Rider on Thu Feb 11 00:16:15 2021. I remember riding the Arnines on the QB line in the mid 1970's. By the time I started high school in 1978, they were all gone. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Feb 18 17:33:17 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 10:16:16 2021. A few interesting observations. If I recall, the IND side route signs on the R-16s did not contain the letters but carried the same readings as the R-10s but a bit larger like “Wash Hts - 8th Ave Exp,” "Wash Hts 6th Ave Lcl” etc. Th original side signs for the IRT R-17s through 36s also lacked the numbers but simply carried the rout names. Why the TA chose to but the BMT route numbers on the R-16s but not the IND letters I don’t know. The Southern Div readings on the few R-16s that had them also read differently from the readings on the R-27s and up. For example, the upper destination had readings like "57th St-Manhattan" and the lower had readings like “95th St- Ft H’ton” instead of the readings we are familiar with. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Feb 19 08:30:15 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 18 17:33:17 2021. Yeah, you are basically correct on the IND portions of the R-16's roll signs. On the sides, just like on the R-10's, but they added an extra letter though, so it became "Hgts."The front signs looked to have a slightly different font displayed. To whit, from nycsubway.org... R-16 #6312, Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, IND Rockaway Line, N/D.  -William A. Padron ["Wash. Hgts. 8th Av. Exp."] |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 19 08:59:36 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Feb 19 08:30:15 2021. That R16 is probably 6 cars at most, judging by the canopy.Notice the porthole window is swiveled open, before they installed 2 Phillips screws to shut them. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 19 19:15:02 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 19 08:59:36 2021. I believe the sealing of the windows was done by the maintenance force at DO Yd after the trains were returned to the BMT. Why they were sealed and the similar windows on the R-11s, 15s and 17s weren’t I don’t know. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 19 20:01:25 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 19 19:15:02 2021. I used to hate to get an R-17 as lead motor back in the day (mid-70s), especially on a run to Newlots Av in the summer. Even though you could technically open the RFW on the 17s, I never figured out how to do it. I would almost rather get a car with a solid window (R-26/28/29/33) than a 17 if I could get an R-21 or 22. But it seems I usually got a 17, like on a railfan trip I took in early 1975 from Newlots. 6689 north motor. This may have been my first subway pic! I had just gotten my own camera (a cheap-ass 110 that my mother got). It lasted only a few months, next time got a Kodak, which last for a few years, but it had a weird battery and the pics weren't coming out right. In 1978, I got a better Kodak 110 with a detachable flash that used 2 AAA batteries. I used it for 12 years, then retired it only because I had gotten a 35mm. I still have it, and the shutter and film advance still work (albeit without any film inside). I'm tempted to get a roll of 110 film (they are available on either Ebay or Amazon), the thing would be where to develop it |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Feb 19 21:10:25 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 19 20:01:25 2021. Now that you mentioned it, I can't recall myself opening that R-17 window either. The 21's & 22's were no problem. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Feb 19 21:20:47 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Feb 19 20:01:25 2021. To me that’s a better picture than most. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 19 22:21:17 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Feb 18 14:17:35 2021. I wonder if the ex-SIRT cars had ever run in a six-car lashup prior to this. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 19 22:27:01 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 18 12:03:29 2021. The route curtain on my BMT standard sign box has those signs and the route curtain has GG LOCAL. No F EXPRESS sign. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:33:18 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Feb 19 21:10:25 2021. I could never figure out how to open an R-17 window either. Even when one of them was partially opened, I would squeeze the latch but the window wouldn’t move in either direction even though I had no trouble at all with the R-15s which were identical. The R-16s were a little odd in that the latch was on the inside of the window and the BOTTOM half of the window opened because I remember opening one of them when the R-16s were new. For whatever reason, the car maintenance staff at DO Yd riveted or screwed the windows shut and I never found ou on whose orders it was done. By the way it seems that the R-21s as originally deigned were supposed to have the R-17 type porthole but the design was changed to the drop sash. One of my sources told me that either the first 10 or 20 R-21s did come in with the porthole but they were changed very early in the life of the cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:40:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 19 22:21:17 2021. They might have although if they didn’t, then why did the SIRT invest the money in an electro-pneumatic AMUE brake system when a plain pneumatic AMU system like Chicago used would have been more than adequate for 1 and 2 car trains as operated on SIRT. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:43:52 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 19 22:27:01 2021. In the case of an AB being used on the F the generic “Express” sign, which all the cars had, could have been used. A bottom destination might have been problematic, but for the north terminal the reading “Jamaica” could have been used since that is the reading the steels used when they ran on the Jamaica Line. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Feb 20 06:36:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:40:45 2021. They might have although if they didn’t, then why did the SIRT invest the money in an electro-pneumatic AMUE brake system when a plain pneumatic AMU system like Chicago used would have been more than adequate for 1 and 2 car trains as operated on SIRT.Is that why when the TA tried to couple AB's with SIRT cars as an experiment, the brake systems weren't compatible as I was told ? I also heard the couplers portions didn't lineup as well. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Feb 20 06:57:27 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Feb 15 09:42:20 2021. Give it a ride. It's worth it.I railfanned there once in 1968 and took a few photos. I don't think I've been back there since. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 11:30:05 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:33:18 2021. I prefer the R-21/22 drop sash. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Feb 20 11:33:25 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Express Rider on Sat Feb 20 06:57:27 2021. One day I will. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:46:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Feb 20 06:36:54 2021. The electrical portion of the 2 car's couplers don't even look the same.Maybe a SIRTOA car with a Triplex or Arnine should have been tried. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:02:47 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:33:18 2021. With the R16s' screwed shut, I still saw some with the entire sash twisted, so the horizontal bar was angled sideways. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Feb 20 13:57:21 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 20 01:40:45 2021. I can't find any pictures at the moment, but I'm sure the SIRT ran longer trains than that in the rush hours. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 01:18:16 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 12:02:47 2021. I saw a few of those too. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 01:49:50 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:46:46 2021. As I have explained many times on this subject, the electric portions on the ABs did not manually advance but had to be advanced from a position for that purpose on the uncoupling valve which had 3 positions, off, advance, and cut. The normal procedure for coupling was to couple (which placed the brakes in emergency), recharge, do a stretch test and if everything was OK, advance or “shoot” the electric potion or “slide.” The electric portion on those cars was actually a flat plate or slide with contact fingers which when advanced actually pushed the slide on the other car back into the drawhead and made connections with matching contact fingers in the base of the other drawhead. Later electric portions like the ones on the D types, SIRT cars and R-1/9s had the contact fingers on the face instead of the bottom and were electro-pneumatically set up so that upon coupling, both electric portions advanced towards each other and completed the connection. As you said, the electric portions on the SIRT cars were of the newer type and would have easily mated with a D type or an R-1/9 but definitely not an AB. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 21 10:44:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Asgard on Sat Feb 20 13:57:21 2021. Does this qualify ? Grade Crossing Elimination under traffic often requires the building of two complete new railroads -- a temporary line next to the original line, called a shoo-fly, and then a permanent grade-separated line on the original right-of-way. Here a St. George-bound train has just left the temporary Grant CIty platform on the shoo-fly at left, while a Tottenville-bound train has left Grant CIty on the original line. The original Tottenville-bound platform cannot be seen since this was a near-side station in which the platforms were offset from each other. 
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Feb 21 12:11:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 20 11:46:46 2021. I remember in the AB's that had to physically connect a jumper between the cars when they were coupled together. Were there additional contacts in the coupler mechanism (like the newer cars (R1-9's, etc.? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 21 12:26:34 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 17 18:55:40 2021. Interestingly, a few R26/28 units ran on the 5 right up to the end of their lives showing a 1967-gray 5 bullet. I'd guess that the other routes on their signs also had the 1967 colors- but the cars only ran on the 5.Either the signs weren't changed during GOH, or maybe some new signs ripped and the yards had some older ones kicking around and decided to use them instead of ordering new ones. The entrances to Bowling Green on Battery place also showed purple 4 and gray 5 until 2004-5 or so, when they were covered up. Then- those numbers re-appeared (showing damage from the cover up job) in 2010-12 or so. Gone now. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sun Feb 21 12:38:12 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Feb 21 10:44:55 2021. Thanks! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Feb 21 20:21:24 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 17 18:20:29 2021. Yep, a powder blue 3 was featured. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:53:31 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTO] Re: R1s-9s, posted by jabrams on Sun Feb 21 12:11:46 2021. When the steels were first delivered they lacked MU door control and the C/R button board only controlled the doors in its own cars. When the BMT unitized the cars into B units, the added MUDC but since the there was no room on the slides of the drawheads for additional contacts, 9 point jumpers had to be used with receptacles for them in order to have MUDC in a complete train. What did surprise me is that even though the D types and the Multis had the more modern electric portions like the R-1/9s, the door circuits were still in jumpers instead of in the electric portions. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:59:13 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 17 18:07:09 2021. After Chrystie, the TA (not yet MTA) made the line numbers of the IRT official which was not the case before that and eventually, probably after the MTA takeover, ordered signs for the cars with the numbers on the side signs as well as the ends. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Feb 22 07:53:44 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Feb 17 15:37:17 2021. During one of my visits between 1978-1981 after I had moved to LA, I saw an IRT train with newer signs (lettering in lower case, and a colored bullet in the route sign on the front. Don't remember which line. Of course, by my next visit in 1987, all the older cars had updated signs and the newer ones (R-62/62A/68 (no 68A yet)) had signs w/ bullets. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 22 18:41:02 2021, in response to Re: R1s-9s, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 21 22:59:13 2021. It took a while before those new side signs were installed. Even in the late 70s, you almost never saw a side route sign on any mainline IRT train with a number marking. |
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