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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:43:23 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:52:39 2020. As I mentioned before, literally the only point to incurring the expense of thru-running is IF it brings about a significant increase in capacity. Otherwise I agree that there is zero point. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:52:01 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:54:44 2020. Mineola 100% agreedI'd probably only electrify PJ to Kings Park and use the grounds of the old psych hospital for an electric yard. Housing density along the line drops off past Smithtown. But I would extend diesel service back to Wading River (the development is there now to justify it) Electrify the existing central Bethpage to Babylon Rebuild the central Garden City-Bethpage Electrify OB at least to Roslyn (overall housing density along the branch falls off a cliff beyond there) 2nd track PW-Manhasset (replacing the viaduct isn't worth it) Lengthen necessary stations The list goes on and on, but none of it works without additional capacity at the core. If thru running of some services can bring about significant additional capacity, then it's worth it. Serving that cross-regional market is just an added bonus. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 02:00:38 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 09:17:09 2020. Agreed on the design flaw with ESA being a stub end terminal. I would actually propose hooking it into Penn South/Gateway and use it during peak hours primarily as a thru running with the shortest NJT and LIRR schedules. ESA goes from 24tph to 48tph and Penn South gets a capacity boost because it also becomes a thru-station. NJT gets more space at existing Penn since some peak trains are now re-directed to Penn South, freeing those track slots up at existing Penn.I'm against sending ESA down to FBA because 3rd Av between 34th and Chatham Sq is not where commuters are trying to get to. It does, however, give the added benefit of also increasing the capacity at FBA, but leaves Penn South/Gateway as low yield for the money spent. Screw it, go full balls to the wall. 4 upper ESA tracks to downtown & FBA as 2 track under 3rd Av, and 4 lower ESA tracks to Penn South. Everyone's happy, insanely robust transit network. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 02:08:14 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Q4 on Wed Jul 29 15:49:52 2020. Port Washington Friday/Saturday nights1:19am - train of pussy's that bitched out early 3:19am (later 3:04am) - designated drunk train where you're guaranteed to see someone either fighting, fucking, or puking or at the very least the cops running down the train to address one of the three 5:19am - train of people that went ENTIRELY too hard where you most often see the friend and a half carrying the other friend (I say friend and a half because that 2nd person is barely clinging to consciousness) MANY nights on the 3:19am, more than I'd like to admit on the 5:19am. Zero on the 1:19am (I'm no bitch!) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 03:32:50 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:52:01 2020. all scoots to (at least) hicksville.double track bethpage = babylon. re-open republic. more service to floral park on all lines passing. four track subway from mineola to republic station, under franklin avenue and hempstead turnpike, okay, i'm done. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 03:40:09 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:37:24 2020. no sunnyside station? damn... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 03:48:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:09:24 2020. Holy crap, you hit the pc expo nail right on the head! i was definitely one of those bag guys headed towards the penn station area. sometimes i would walk, sometimes I would take the expo shuttle buses. once or twice i took the regular 34th street bus.always left the show loaded with plenty of floppies, magazines, printouts, mouse pads... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 04:07:54 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 10:30:47 2020. compare the 165th street bus terminal to the hempstead terminal. at 165th street it's normal to see well-dressed folks using it. but hempstead terminal...not a place you"d want your mom to wait for a bus at. guys roaming around, talking trash, being obnoxious.this has to do with many things...but from what i can see, the plain truth is that long island "lower income" folks have less self dignity than do "lower income" city folk. on transit for sure, "city slickers" are indeed way slicker than the "country pumpkins". you can see the difference on the buses, especially on suffolk transit. out there, on certain runs, like the s66, guys just, behave uncivilized. no class. loud, sloppy, foul mouthed. an unpleasant ride. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 04:10:25 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 10:49:45 2020. good point. there should be a cop on every lirr train. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 04:36:12 2020, in response to Re: LIRR + Park Avenue = ?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:28:36 2020. 30? woah, that would suck.but since i first started kayaking down the upper delaware i've had many dreams about taking a train from hoboken to callicoon, or narrowsburg or any of those towns. (said dreams also involving starting from lower manhattan via the hoboken ferry) many times i've been on the river and, late at night hear a train coming up the river, running like a crazed man with the other guys up from the riverside (we usually camped on the "wild", undeveloped p.a. side) up to the trackside, finally seeing the train lights, watching the huge noisy long freight train as it rumbled by, headed up the valley, being amazed and thrilled (well, me, anyway) as it slowly and eventually faded from sight and sound and the dark quiet night returned, the only sound coming from the river flowing by. good shit. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jul 30 04:56:42 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:59:49 2020. SEPTA did build Regional Rail directly to PHL, which is a great convenience. Denver did the same thing with their airport. In fact Denver runs Philly-spec rolling stock to the airport.I never understood bureaucratic obstacles that prohibit a straight-through ride from Manhattan to JFK. There are quite a few cities that operate train service directly from the airport to the CBD. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 05:30:27 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:57:54 2020. i like how for a while you could take the lirr over to chambers street. a nice feat of intermodality. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 05:56:27 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:41:26 2020. Your attempt to solve one problem brings on many others, and for an infinitesimally bunch of people who make that transfer |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 05:57:19 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:04:08 2020. Whatever little is happening in Jamaica, it does not justify service from NJ |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:15:24 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:01:50 2020. All thru running will do if reflect delays from one railroad onto another to serve a tiny market. That is the last thing we need at rush hour. It also does nothing about capacity on the Main Line of either the LIRR or NJT. Each set of River tunnels run capacity at 3 trains per hour now. That is a function of signal system and train performance, nothing to do with station slots.You are also trying to merge the operations of a LIRR which has an operating plan with track assignments at NYPS, with an NJT that has nothing at all. For anyone travelling thru, they will start off on their train, and when they get to NYPS, take the next available train out. They are not going to wait for the thru train, and chances are, there isn't any from where they are coming from. There are 10 LIRR branches and 7 NJT lines, making 70 permutations. The odds of satisfying anyone's thru trip is near zero. You also can't terminate trains at Newark Penn or Newark Broad, especially rush hour. NJT has gotten 2 rounds of service cuts since Christie left office due to engineer shortages, on top of the permanent Christie service cuts in 2010. Without the pandemic, NJT trains are unreliable, often canclled, and over-crowded. NJ has other priorities than trying to get people to Jamaica to non-existent office buildings or to a JFK airport when there are other airports in Newark and Jackson Hts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:16:14 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:15:24 2020. Make that 3 minuter intervals |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:22:39 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 04:07:54 2020. The Nassau County bus system has shrunk 30% over the last 10 years. The Hamptons are better served than along the same road between Freeport and Sunrise Mall.That's what happens when they try to run a system that takes people where they went to 50 years ago. For the N31/32, divert one or the other of them from West Hempstead up Westminster Road to Garden City and Mineola. People want to go up Franklin Avenue for shopping, medical, and financial professionals, and for work. They don't want to go to Hempstead. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:23:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 03:40:09 2020. Off the table for now. But what good is it ? Look at where the office building are, and where the LIRR is. You can't walk it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 06:25:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:58:52 2020. i've done deer park, long island to wilmington, delaware, lirr, nj transit, septa. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:34:14 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 02:00:38 2020. Penn South can't be extended east of 6th Avenue due to the 6th Avenue subway express tracks. It is too shallow to go under it. You do realize that NJT and LIRR have peaks running in opposite direction. Reverse peak service cannot be balanced with peak.What were you planning to do with LIRR's 1,000 MU cars and that not a single locomotive on NJT can run east of Harold ? They are not going to stop there at cut over for 2 minutes. I don't know where you get 48 trains per hour. You have TWO tracks per direction under the East River and ONE under the Hudson River. Commuter rail is not a subway nor is NYPS is a subway station. It takes 5 - 10 minutes to clear a train and platform. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 06:51:23 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:23:52 2020. ahhh, but my gleeful railfan expectation for yet a third long island rail road passenger station within the city of long island city metropolitan area supersedes trifles such as related to actual positioning of said facility.and anyway, the sunnyside station would definitely get heavy usage. it aint just the high rent fancy pants district along the river over there ya know. the place buzzes like a disturbed bee hive. and sunnyside would offer all day service in both directions. c'mon now... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 06:55:40 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:34:14 2020. i'll give you this: that "peaks running in opposite directions" line was pretty good. very nice mechanistic symmetries going on there... complex clockworks...that sort of thing. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 07:11:22 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 02:00:38 2020. I'm against sending ESA down to FBA because 3rd Av between 34th and Chatham Sq is not where commuters are trying to get to.I assume you would also be against extending the SAS south of 63rd St for the same reason. There would be only 2 stations. The midtown station would be at 42nd St, with a moving walkway to Park Ave to connect to the subway. The downtown station could be on Water St between Fulton and Wall Streets. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 07:26:06 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:22:39 2020. bellmore and wantagh got boned. still can't get over that they killed the babylon terminals. 19 was real good for sw suffolk, the s20 is...small townish. and I still want to kill them for the 72. the babylon connection was actually an amazing transit development. closest we got to "long island regional surface transit." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 08:32:50 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:10:49 2020. In NYC in the mid-1980's and 1990's at the Jacob Javits Center the PC-Expo was held.In NYC in the mid-1980's and 1990's at the Jacob Javits Center the PC-Expo was held.That was one of the conventions I used to attend. It usually took me two days to cover everything. The old IEEE conventions was another industry convention I used to attend. The Internet has made them unnecessary to stay current in fields that change daily. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:05:08 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 05:56:27 2020. Again, if you've paid attention to the thread, the point of thru-running is not to serve the small market. It's to increase capacity at the core. If thru-running does not do that then I agree it's not worth the cost or risks. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 30 11:28:30 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 10:52:29 2020. Many years ago, some empty suit genius at Metro-North went with handing out "Vomit Bags" on MN trains all New Years Eve & the following day for all over indulging clientele who would loose their cookies. They were slightly bigger than today's doggie bags that would be used for your dog's poop.Well, the bags got put to good use but someone forgot to tell the good little drunken boys and girls to take the bags with you when you got off the train & drop them in the platform trash can. Instead they were left on the train seats, under the seats & sometimes in the aisles where some unlucky bastard would step on it, thus getting contents all over the floor and on his/her shoes and god forbid, slipping. Other times the full bags would be thrown at each other with predictable results. The car cleaners earned every penny of their salary the next few days, Happy New Year! That was never tried again. However the Mgt individual would up getting a promotion! Such is life on the MTA |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:37:04 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:34:14 2020. "Penn South can't be extended east of 6th Avenue due to the 6th Avenue subway express tracks. It is too shallow to go under it."Is this your opinion or is it from actual released engineering plans of Penn South? "You do realize that NJT and LIRR have peaks running in opposite direction. Reverse peak service cannot be balanced with peak." "What were you planning to do with LIRR's 1,000 MU cars" It's really hard to have a discussion with people who refuse to read. At what point did I ever say the entirety of peak service would be thru-run? Nowhere. In fact, I said that the shortest schedules that have reverse peak potential, like Great Neck, Freeport, and Hempstead, are all that I would thru-run, and I asked what were similar shortest schedules on the NJT side (Jersey Av is one). If thru-running increases capacity (which would be the whole point), then those MUs get to be used on whatever new schedules that terminate at NYP. " not a single locomotive on NJT can run east of Harold ? They are not going to stop there at cut over for 2 minutes. " Is it really that hard to figure out that this would clearly require a newly designed dual mode MU or loco? Cutovers could be performed at Penn given the dwell times are already long enough. "I don't know where you get 48 trains per hour. You have TWO tracks per direction under the East River and ONE under the Hudson River. Commuter rail is not a subway nor is NYPS is a subway station. It takes 5 - 10 minutes to clear a train and platform." I was addressing ESA specifically. The current stub end terminal plan is limited to 24 tph (2.5 min headway) because of the requirement to turn trains back around. If the terminal was thru-run and you maintain that headway of 2.5 mins, you could double the tph capacity of the entire project since that's 24tph per track in the tunnel. Tied in with Penn South and Gateway, yes, that's still only 24 tph because of the single track each way under the Hudson but there's some other parts to what I was thinking. Regardless, we have lagged behind for decades in major rail infrastructure build outs and now we're stuck playing catch up. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:41:09 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 07:11:22 2020. No, SAS south of 63rd opens up a new trunk line in Manhattan to serve the necessary extensions/new branches/additional service in the outer boros. Even with a greatly stream-lined system, the existing network would be unable to support the multitude of additional branches needed to expand subway coverage to highly developed areas of the city that currently lack it (mostly in Queens and Brooklyn).However, I could see the same argument being made for LIRR connecting FBA & GCT to increase capacity at both terminals to allow for increased service soooooooo maybe I could actually get on board? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:44:07 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 05:57:19 2020. We're over here discussing the potential for office development in Jamaica and you've been proven wrong in your argument so now you've brought in something totally irrelevant to the conversation. Shows me that you don't actually have an argument. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:52:24 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:23:52 2020. You absolutely can walk it, but it is just outside the 1/4 that is usually designated as the limit of walking distance to the offices. I agree though. I was a huge fan of Sunnyside until I looked more into it and the other options that could have been done. Aside from being outside of the 1/4 mile walk to any office building, having trains stop at Harold would gum things up big time. A station on ESA between Northern Blvd and 27th St would have been light years more useful, but that would have needed to be at least 3 tracks so that peak direction trains could alternate between 2 tracks to maintain the 24tph and 3rd track for the deadheading trains to/from the yard. All that would have needed to be done when they were building out that section of the project. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 16:28:36 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:05:08 2020. You haven't done a thing to prove how thru running increases NYPS capacity. You simply stated train capacity would increase from 24 to 48 trains per hour. It is an absurd claim that you cannot prove. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 16:43:34 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:52:01 2020. The Huntington electrics ought to go to Northport. There seems to be a lot of vacant land or junk commercial about a mile east that can be a yard.The trouble with the Kings Park spur is that it has been converted to a trail and a grade crossing needs to be reestablished in town across a very congested 25A and past a fire house. There would be several trains crossing per hour, not just the Sunday afternoon hospital train and a weekly freight. The ROW to Wading River is owned by the electrical utility, which I think is called PSEG now. I don't see any possibility of getting any of that back. I believe the LIRR still owns the Central Branch to Bethpage, but then deal with the Garden City NIMBYs who would go ape shit when the Circus train ran once a year. Given how the LIRR chickened out in Mineola and designed something badly flawed, they won't do anything there either. I think Manorville - Eastport is still available for some alternate routings to the Hamptons. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 16:51:35 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 16:28:36 2020. You simply stated train capacity would increase from 24 to 48 trains per hour.I stated it, so let me explain. Capacity through the tunnel is limited to 24 tph. That's due to an FRA restriction for the number of trains between ventilation shafts. The 63rd St Tunnel provides an additional 24 tph inbound capacity going in the downtown direction. If there were a loop connection from Flatbush Ave, there would be another tunnel. This tunnel would have an additional 24 tph inbound capacity going in the uptown direction. That's a total of 48 tph inbound. The outbound capacity would similarly increase with 24 tph uptown from 63rd St and 24 tph downtown through the tunnel to Flatbush Ave. There are FRA regulations that limit how quickly a passenger train can change direction (discharging/recharging brakes and a brake test). This keeps a train in the terminal longer than the disembark/embark cycle. The workaround is to have multiple tracks within the terminal for each track that leads to/from it. This leads to more expense in building the terminal. It's only money. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 16:57:58 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:37:04 2020. The engineering plans of 10 years ago stated extending west NYPS SOUTH is impossible. To maintain it's interoperability with all 4 Hudson River tunnels, the tracks would have to descend a 3% grade to get past 6th Avenue.There is a NEC FUTURES plan to build a lower level to NYPS South. You can seem that to be a fantasy. Even if it were to happen, it would be an HSR, not LIRR, project, and would go straight out to Queens. The ESA tunnels cannot clear anything but a flat top 3rd rail MU. No roof humps, vents, or pantographs. It is pointless to consider connecting NYPS South to the ESA terminal. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 30 17:07:15 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 02:00:38 2020. I can’t see the ESA being a stub terminal being a design flaw since GCT and Flatbush Av are also stub terminals and they seem to do OK. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 30 17:43:10 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 16:51:35 2020. which leads to noting how efficient the original subway City Hall station is compared to every single stub terminal.Unfiortunately, PTC is said to lengthen the wasted time between arrival and departurte. MED has had to modify schedules because of this. |
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Posted by The silence on Thu Jul 30 18:19:31 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:56:42 2020. My intention was for the airports, further that that, is doesn’t make as much sense. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 19:15:04 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 30 17:07:15 2020. Because of ESA, MN Madison Ave yard was totally obliterated. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Jul 30 21:01:03 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 30 17:07:15 2020. GCT HAS 2 LOOP TRACKS. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jul 30 21:19:37 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 11:41:09 2020. SAS south of 63rd opens up a new trunk line in Manhattan to serve the necessary extensions/new branches/additional service in the outer boros.If the new trunk line does not go to where people work in Manhattan, nobody will take it. The extra capacity won't do anyone from Queens any good. Besides, the SAS south of 63rd would provide an additional 15 tph. That same additional capacity is already available but not being used. It's just a question of re-routing some trains and providing more rolling stock and personnel. CBTC isn't required. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 30 23:47:19 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Jul 30 21:01:03 2020. But they are very seldom used. |
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Posted by ro_jo on Fri Jul 31 00:16:07 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 30 23:47:19 2020. They are used almost continuously during the AM and PM peaks. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 05:22:02 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:54:44 2020. Retrofit the 3rd track design flaws at Mineola.This big time. I finally saw the track layout for the new station and I was appalled at what I saw. Reducing a top 10 station in the system which is served by the most trains east of Jamaica to a "local" stop, and cutting off all access to the Oyster Bay branch from the middle and southern tracks, not even bothering to keep the flat junction that currently exists. What a huge mistake on the LIRRs behalf, NIMBYs be damned. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 05:39:28 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 10:49:45 2020. Privilege is a key word right there, particularly the prevalent suburban privilege that comes into play in this case. Those drunk train riders will verbally abuse conductors for telling them not to put their feet on the seat, while S33 riders in Wyandanch are just glad that they can catch a bus on Sundays now. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 05:51:13 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 09:14:01 2020. Unfortunately Nassau County has no equivalent to a Stamford or White Plains which are cultural and economic hubs who both have thriving and walkable downtown areas. The closest Nassau comes to that is the Nassau Hub area, which as it currently exists is too spread out to be able to properly serve with one bus terminal. Long Beach also comes close, but is fine as is public transportation wise.You could also always build a bus terminal around a station on the reactivated Central Branch, but that idea isn't too pragmatic right now. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 05:56:14 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 30 06:22:39 2020. The N40/41 (still don't know why they kept the 41 designation) is one of the most frequent routes in NICE Bus, but carries fews people between Hempstead and Mineola. Franklin Avenue is a destination without a doubt, but the people who go there don't want to take the bus to get there. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:01:33 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jul 30 04:07:54 2020. I have never felt uncomfortable at Hempstead Terminal, even when waiting for the N6 in front of the LIRR station at 3 in the morning.Most Suffolk Transit riders are just blue collar folks going about their day, however I can't deny that I've come across some pretty unfortunate people while waiting for the bus at Coram Plaza or the Riverhead LIRR station, more of a general social issue than a Suffolk Transit one however. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:03:27 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:01:33 2020. I also just thought of the time I shared a seat on the S92 with someone whose outfit cost more than what I make in a week. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Jul 31 06:07:43 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 10:59:11 2020. Bee-Line now has several office shuttles that will pick you up curbside at White Plains and drop you right off in front of your office. They seem to run pretty reliability and carry quite a bit of people. |
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