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Posted by andy on Thu Mar 26 09:55:57 2020, in response to NYC Subway Stations, posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 09:37:44 2020. IND stations have distinctive mosaic name tablets in the walls, as well as a distinctive station color code.From www.nycsubway.org: The IND has a "color family", i.e. the five primary colors used in the IND subway: red, yellow, green, blue and purple. Color names are taken from paint chips and Berol Prismacolor (tm) pencils. As you go away from downtown Manhattan, whether uptown or towards Brooklyn, the colors change each time an express station is reached. Thereafter, all the local stations have the same color (or color group) tiles as the preceding express station. This presumably was intended to serve as a means for helping passengers to remember where to change for the local on the way home from work. More details are on this link to wwww.nycsubway.org: https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IND_Station_Tile_Colors |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 13:03:50 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by andy on Thu Mar 26 09:55:57 2020. Thank you! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 15:20:17 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by andy on Thu Mar 26 09:55:57 2020. From what I was told the IND color scheme was that the express stations would follow the colors of the spectrum even though in many places some of the colors are missing. The preceding local stations would display the color of the next express station. The patterning was from the north and the south terminals towards W4 St which was green. For some reason the IND seemed obsessed with green since the R-1/9s were painted that color, the background of the street entrance signs was green, the cubes on the top of the station entrance posts were green and even the track occupancy lights on the signal tower model boards were green instead of red which would be more logical or even white which the BMT used. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 26 15:53:25 2020, in response to NYC Subway Stations, posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 09:37:44 2020. There's this map:
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Mar 26 16:23:00 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 26 15:53:25 2020. This is a very interesting map. Thank you for posting it. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:11:40 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 26 15:53:25 2020. While 4 Av and Smith/9 St have no station tiles per se, the small tile signs at those stations are while lettering with a green background. What I am surprised about is why Grant Av did not receive the same color tile pattern as Euclid when it was eventually built as the semi apocryphal reports have indicated that 76 St did. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:29:33 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:11:40 2020. I did some checking and it seems that while Smith/9 St has the small station name tablets I referred to, 4 Av does not. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 26 18:38:55 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 26 15:53:25 2020. What is the rationale for the outside color tile to change. Most are black , but not all. |
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Posted by Aaron on Thu Mar 26 20:09:54 2020, in response to NYC Subway Stations, posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 09:37:44 2020. I never knew any of this. Thanks!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 26 20:18:40 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Mar 26 15:53:25 2020. 42/6 and 47-50/6 are red. It also violates the scheme as two consecutive express stations have the same color. And then the 53rd Street line follows the violating scheme. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 26 20:21:26 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 15:20:17 2020. West 4th isn’t the color pole, it’s jointly Chambers and 2nd Avenue. And both stations are violet, the shortest wave color. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Mar 26 20:37:08 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:11:40 2020. Grant Ave looks like an entirely different design, much newer than Euclid. It's funny though that I've been through it three times in recent months since I hadn't gone through there in at least 40 years prior, if not more. Once coming from JFK, and a RT through there after the R42 for a trip out to one of the last places I'd never been at Lefferts. I'll be dead and buried before I get through there again at this rate. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 26 22:44:24 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 18:29:33 2020. Fourth does have tiles on the mezzanines in green (borders, directions, rest rooms). |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 26 22:51:33 2020, in response to NYC Subway Stations, posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 09:37:44 2020. On a Transit Museum tour of the Canarsie Line years ago, Joe Cunningham said that Squire J. Vickers used brighter colors in the tile patterns as the stations got farther from Manhattan. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Mar 26 23:21:27 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 26 22:51:33 2020. Isn’t Utica Avenue on the A line red? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 02:28:09 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu Mar 26 22:44:24 2020. True, but not on the platform itself as is the case with Smith/9 and I suspect that those tiles were put in quite a bit after the line was built since they are of the type that was used in the late 1940s through the 1950s for newer IND stations and platform extensions on other lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 02:29:36 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by zac on Thu Mar 26 20:37:08 2020. It is slightly different but the tiles still could have been installed to more closely match Euclid. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 02:41:40 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 26 20:18:40 2020. I’m not sure if 47/50 and 42 St are exactly the same color or if 47/50 is merely a lighter shade of red and 42 St more of an orange which would sort of fit the scheme since the original tiles at 34 St were a dark yellow. Actually, the so called “yellow” on most of the IND is more of an orange and the only true yellow IMHO is the bright yellow in Queens at Sutphin, Van Wyck and Kew Gardens. Following the colors of the spectrum as I mentioned in another post can be a bit confusing since even with the improved lighting retrofitted it can be difficult to tell the difference between the blue, indigo and violet except in a very few places. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 03:02:01 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 26 20:21:26 2020. However, I have seen documentation mentions that the colors were to radiate to/from W 4 St since even with the possibility of a full SAS, W 4 would be the only station where 2 major Manhattan IND trunk lines would come together. |
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Posted by handbrake on Fri Mar 27 15:18:12 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 26 15:20:17 2020. Dual contract station support columns were riveted assemblies, where during the building of the Independent Subway the great majority of nu-reinforced vertical columns were designed as a single entity. Rivets were used to tie in steel sections until today's break away nut and boltconstruction took hold in the late 50's and early 60's. Second. With exception to a small section of the Independent subway in the vicinity of 135th Street, almost all Independent subway construction did not employ 45 degree angled brackets between vertical soldier columns and horizontal I beams of the tunnel ceiling. Not to forget the use of Type II Track throughout the system's main line except at interlocks, and lay up tracks and not just in stations. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 27 17:14:23 2020, in response to Re: NYC Subway Stations, posted by handbrake on Fri Mar 27 15:18:12 2020. The IND wasn’t the first to use all type II roadbed in all locations including between stations. The entire 14 St Line south of the original line at Montrose is all type II as were the extension from 6 Av to 8 Av on the 14 St Line and the Nassau St Line S/O Chambers. |
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