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Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 22:54:54 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 22:08:18 2020. I can’t believe they were well suited to ride through a car wash. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jan 11 22:58:26 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 21:01:01 2020. True! I was surprised there was any lettering. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 12 01:12:39 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 22:08:18 2020. It’s interesting that the B of T opted not to include windshield wipers on the cars since the takeover of both the Culver and Fulton St els and the Rockaway ROW were always in the plans for the IND as well as the cross Bronx extension of the Concourse Line which was to include an elevated portion. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 12 01:16:22 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jan 11 21:01:01 2020. I’m not exactly sure, but I believe that only the R-1s and R4s had the “City of New York” on the sides. Later contracts did not. |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sun Jan 12 06:24:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 20:59:59 2020. This makes sense. I wonder how may incidents occurred of conductors being injured climbing between the cars to operate the doors |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 12 07:25:56 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 11 22:54:54 2020. Obviously someone would have to close the roof vents in addition to the windows. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 12 07:40:47 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 11 20:59:59 2020. With the door controls inside on the BMT steels, the C/R was unable to observe the platform for passengers possibly caught in doors as the train left the station.Weren't the doors at the C/R position the last to be closed ? Before the C/R closed those doors, wouldn't he see if anybody was caught in the doors ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 12 08:59:09 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 12 01:16:22 2020. I remember seeing prewar Ethel trains in the late 60s with "City of New York" visible on some, if not all, cars. Did Jamaica Yard still have R-1s then? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 12 09:09:11 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by mack c-49 on Sun Jan 12 06:24:20 2020. Kev, may he rest in peace, said he was never worried about that when he was a conductor. There was always something to grab onto. He did say he had a step plate give way once. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jan 12 14:36:44 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 12 07:25:56 2020. Yes I would imagine someone would close the vents and windows but they don’t exactly look weather proof when they’re closed. Especially those roof vents. And those doors are definitely not meant to keep water out. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 12 16:27:41 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jan 12 07:40:47 2020. He could but that doesn’t enable him to see if someone tried to force the doors open after the master doors were closed. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 18:18:57 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 12 01:12:39 2020. One can speculate that the wipers weren't included because at the time the IND subway was planned,the takeover of the Culver & eastern end of the Fulton St El were proposals & not carved in stone. They Didn't want to spend the extra $$$ on a maybe. A NIMBY fight over yet another Elevated line in the Bronx was avoided when the NYW&B ROW became available & converted into the Dyre Ave Line. Thus, the IND Elevated extention was avoided. If the Concourse extention were to be built, It most likely would have had been a subway.In the 1940s, NYC was on a crusade to rid the city of as many Els as possible, let alone build another one. WWII would have put a stop to any Concourse extention anyway, making any extention plans moot. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 12 19:33:21 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 11 22:08:18 2020. How much could windshield wipers have cost? Penny-wise, pound-foolish. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 19:39:13 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Jan 12 19:33:21 2020. Since the R1-9 fleet were singles, that would mean a wiper on both ends. There were appx 1700 R1-9s so that would mean 3400 wipers. I guess in 1930s bucks, that amounted to some sizeable $$$. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 13:11:52 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 19:39:13 2020. They're $7.99 each at Pep Boys. About the cost of 1 min wage employee for 1 year with no benes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:13:20 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 13:11:52 2020. No. You're thinking of the price of the wiper blade alone. You're forgetting the arm it attaches to and the entire mechanism to operate it. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:49:32 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 13:11:52 2020. What about electric or pneumatic motors to power it? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:02:23 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:49:32 2020. It is a one-shot expense. I don't think it would have broken the bank. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 15:24:38 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 13:13:20 2020. Yeah, last time I needed a car wiper motor, many decades ago, it was well over $50. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 15:29:06 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:02:23 2020. During the Great Depression maybe would have. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 15:29:33 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 15:24:38 2020. What kind of car war it? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:39:24 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 15:29:06 2020. Windshield wiper systems against the cost of building the IND subway and buying 1700 cars, I don't thinks so. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jan 13 15:48:32 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:39:24 2020. from the T.A.`s own statement many years ago.they didn`t want to install mechanical wipers on trains because the "droning" of the wipers would lull the m/m into a trance like state. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 16:03:49 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jan 13 15:48:32 2020. That is more believable, but why not for trolley or bus operators ? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 17:05:15 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 15:39:24 2020. Whatever I wasn’t around yet. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jan 13 17:26:23 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 16:03:49 2020. DUNNO. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 17:28:08 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 15:29:33 2020. 1966 Oldsmobile F-85. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 17:37:41 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 17:28:08 2020. I like that |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jan 13 18:07:41 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by mack c-49 on Sat Jan 11 19:04:20 2020. At least in the later years the R12 and R14 cars were more frequently used at the ends of trains (except of course for the 2 car sets used for the BG-SF shuttle) or at any place in the train other than the middle two cars so the caps and triggers were not used. The R10 is a unique car the only SMEE car with pneumatically operated doors. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jan 13 18:13:04 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by murray1575 on Mon Jan 13 18:07:41 2020. I forgot the Third Ave. elevated line in the Bronx which used solid consists of R12 cars from 1969 until 1973 this was another exception. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 13 18:28:58 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 13 15:24:38 2020. Until the R-38s, windshield wipers on NYCT equipment were manually operated by the M/M, a situation that was mentioned in a Daily News article from the 1960s on the sad state of the NYCTS. Powered wipers are required by the FRA (and before that, the ICC) on the vision glasses of RR locos and MU cars. Even installing manual wipers on subway cars, there would still be the cost of the parts necessary for the MM to operate it, although it eventually proved to be a necessity. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 13 18:31:35 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 14:49:32 2020. The R1-9 didn't have pneumatic motors working the wipers. It was operated by a handle/crank by the motorman. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Mon Jan 13 19:19:41 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 13 18:31:35 2020. First cars delivered with that feature--R38s.WE-44 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 13 19:42:09 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 12 19:39:13 2020. I remember Kev saying the R-1/9 wipers were manually operated. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 13 20:32:06 2020, in response to Re: Attn - Bill Newkirk Re: [PHOTOS] Concourse Yard, posted by Westcode44 on Mon Jan 13 19:19:41 2020. That’s amazing news to me. |
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