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Posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 19:32:03 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 14 19:18:11 2019. Yeh, all the fares have gone up beyond the inflation rate. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Oct 14 20:19:27 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 14 16:01:43 2019. I can't do it when I come in December. But I'll try when I come in June. Thanks. I'll bookmark it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 14 20:22:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 18:29:43 2019. Exactly.NIMBY don't want anything new to impead upon their "way of life"..ie-Change. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 14 20:41:47 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 14 19:18:11 2019. Nobody complained. For the 50 cents, you got a one seat relaxing roomy ride to Penn on a trip that would take about a half hour, & had a chance to grab a relaxing smoke on the way in while doing your X word puzzle in the Daily Mirror. Its the simpler things from a simpler time. Money well spent!! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 14 21:30:17 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 14 16:01:43 2019. With regard to #3, while no 80 mph trains will be roaring down the Lower Montauk freight line, strictly speaking one crossing there would be trespassing and subject to a fine at the least if caught, and in any event, one should be on the lookout for any freight trains and be sure to stay out of their way. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Oct 14 21:44:02 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 19:14:37 2019. You are correct. Between the time of purchase and the end of service in June 1962 the city leased the branch back to the LIRR. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Oct 14 21:47:16 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 14 16:01:43 2019. you are right there is safety in numbers- drug users do go to that location to use drugs or score some, and robbing a lone pedestrian is not out of the ordinary. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 14 22:18:10 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 19:30:46 2019. I believe it regularly departed form NYPS directly opposite the Broadway Ltd. So there you had side by side the PRR's signature train alongside the LIRR most lowly train.That's awesome! Nowadays, the closest equivalent is the AM run from West Hempstead with no corresponding PM departure. I think it might be the most oddball commuter train to visit Penn Station of the 3 railroads, or perhaps it ties with the last remaining MU run from East Williston. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Oct 15 01:30:16 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by VictorM on Sun Oct 13 20:53:44 2019. Taking another look at the tenth photo, I think it was taken from the Myrtle Av overpass and shows the Forest Park Drive overpass. What I thought was a second overpass beyond it was probably an optical illusion. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 15 07:00:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Oct 14 22:18:10 2019. Well, East Williston and West Hempstead are served by other trains. Ozone Park was not. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 15 07:02:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 14 20:41:47 2019. That was also at a time that Woodhaven had patronage on the way to Flatush Terminal. More civilized than the Jamaica el or the A train schlep through Brooklyn. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 15 07:44:28 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 15 07:02:41 2019. Wouldn't it be interesting if the Atlantic Ave branch was converted into some kind of express subway line, and the Rockaway Beach branch is also revived as a subway line. You can then revive the connection at Woodhaven Blvd, and run express trains into downtown Brooklyn, if not Manhattan! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 15 11:09:31 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 15 07:00:33 2019. What I mean is West Hempstead is now the redheaded stepchild of the LIRR electric territory, the position once held by the Rockaway Beach Branch. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 15 11:24:23 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 15 11:09:31 2019. redheaded?Isn't the idea of redheads being lesser in some way a very British kind of thing? I've never heard it used in the US. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 15 11:29:23 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 18:29:43 2019. I agree. The only reason the "linear park" thing is even being discussed is because reactivation is being discussed. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 15 11:32:34 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Mon Oct 14 20:22:29 2019. It's a shame the railroad predates many of them and their homes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 15 11:33:59 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 15 11:24:23 2019. Redheaded stepchild is a common expression. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 15 11:35:10 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 18:35:28 2019. Sure anything would have been better than what happened. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 15 12:35:24 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 13 15:42:59 2019. Awesome!! Too bad it's dead. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 15 13:31:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Oct 14 21:47:16 2019. Thank you. I can just observe it from the street. Any good spots? |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Tue Oct 15 13:36:24 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Oct 14 00:06:35 2019. there are lit signals on the middle tracks of the RBB - I saw one at Aqueduct - North Conduit station, and at several other places along the line on tracks that were clearly not in use by any trains. The electricity is being paid for by us, yet the tracks are not in use and have not been used for years. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Tue Oct 15 13:39:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Oct 14 21:47:16 2019. the right of way can be seen from the parking lot of the Home Depot near Woodhaven Blvd. and Metropolitan Ave. A bridge for the line spans Metropolitan Ave. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Oct 15 14:20:59 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 13 15:42:59 2019. Great photos, thanks for posting. Any idea why that freight siding was 3rd-rail electrified? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 15 14:43:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Oct 15 13:31:29 2019. There are many places you can see it from. One place in particular that offers a clear unobstructed view is the parking lot of the Home Depot and Dick's SportiG Goods off Metropolitan Ave and Woodhaven |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 15 15:20:33 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Dan on Tue Oct 15 14:20:59 2019. Back then there was electric freight service. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 15 18:17:29 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 13 15:42:59 2019. Shown here from Sept. 1955 is the last train from Flatbush Ave to Aqueduct, crossing OZONE interlocking |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Oct 15 18:52:48 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 15 18:17:29 2019. The 2nd arch roof car from the bottom is one of the older T54 trailers. In 1917, the arch roof was of a differing profile than the ones in the 1920's, taller at edges, then a little flatter. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:10:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 14 16:05:36 2019. that ROW is useful for drug users to get and use their narcotics - and steal from nearby homes to feed their addictions - something the NIMBYS did not think about. None are so blind as those who will not see..... |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:12:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 15 15:20:33 2019. Are there any pictures from that time showing the kinds of locomotives used for freight service ? |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:20:44 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 14 21:30:17 2019. How can one find out when the freight trains come through on the Lower Montauk line ? There are some great locations for photography near there - one just has to be there at the right time. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:25:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Oct 15 12:35:24 2019. Hope springs eternally - the line is being considered for re-opening . |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:29:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 15 07:44:28 2019. Show them the money ( or the potential to make money ) and it will be built. Atlantic Ave / Barclay Center station took years of renovation work, especially of the old Interborough line tracks and station, but it did happen, and now that the Barclays Center is built along with the shopping center, you can bet that money is being made fast and furiously. |
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Posted by ro_jo on Wed Oct 16 07:49:03 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:29:55 2019. "Interborough line tracks and station"What are you referring to, and how can I find out more? |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 11:01:40 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by ro_jo on Wed Oct 16 07:49:03 2019. The Interborough Lines are now known as the numbers 2,3, 4 and 5 lines in Brooklyn - the 2 and 3 lines run local in Brooklyn, with the 4 and 5 line running express. they diverge just before crossing the East River in separate tunnels so that the 2 and 3 run along the West side of Manhattan while the 4 and 5 run on the East side. The 2 and 5 lines re-join in the East Bronx to East 180th Street, where the 2 goes to East 241st Street while the 5 goes to Dyre Ave. The 4 serves the West Bronx while the 3 ends in Harlem at West 148th Street. In Manhattan the West side gets local service from the 1 line up to the Bronx at 242nd Street, while the East side gets local service from the 6 line up to the East Bronx at Pelham Bay Park. Look at a subway map or details. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Oct 16 11:07:21 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 15 11:33:59 2019. never heard it before. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 16 11:43:15 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:25:07 2019. Well, I'd definitely like to see that happen. But I'm not counting on it, not even remotely. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 16 11:44:25 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 15 15:20:33 2019. Right. The Creedmoor Spur had 3rd rail as well, in the 1930s. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Oct 16 11:49:58 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 13 15:42:59 2019. I guess the city and area has shrunk at lot since then that they don't need anymore trains. |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Oct 16 12:31:50 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Oct 16 11:07:21 2019. Its an expression I've heard a few times. |
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VIDEO and DETAILS: Middle Tracks of Rockaway Line between the North Channel Bridge and Aqueduct |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Oct 16 16:11:53 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Mon Oct 14 00:06:35 2019. In the period of 2000-2004, the tracks and switches in the area were realigned to increase train speeds and reduce maintenence costs. Most notably, switches north of Aqueduct and north of the North Channel Bridge were realigned so that trains going to/from tracks F1 and F2 take a physically-straight move over the switch points. This has helped reduce running times.Track F3, except for a short stub for work train use only, has been abandoned between Aqueduct Racetrack and Howard Beach. Track F4 remains in service, except for the segment between Aqueduct N-Conduit and Liberty Junction. There is a trailing point switch just south of Aqueduct N-Conduit that merges track F4 into track F2 now. For the most part, any tracks that were abandoned did not have their signal equipment removed. There are plenty of out of service GRS type-AW automatic signals with two-shot GT S-aspects, sitting on top of relay cases, standing on the out of service portions of both F3 and F4. All four tracks south of Howard beach are still in use and available. They are often used for work train staging, turning trains, etc. Track F3 south of Howard Beach is still set up with two-shot GT timing, set for 40MPH. This timing area used to begin all the way up by Aqueduct Racetrack, which is where the associated GT40 sign used to exist. After F3 was abandoned north of Howard Beach, a new GT40 sign was not installed south of Howard Beach on F3 to tell T/Os the speed of the timing section on that track. As a result, many T/Os operate quite slow in the southbound direction on F3. Here are some videos showing trains operating on the remaining in-service track: Continuous Welded Rail Train not only operating on, but dropping new rail, on track F4: A line service turning back south at Howard Beach, operating from F2 to F4 to F3: The TGC on the middle tracks south of Howard Beach at 2:41: |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 16 16:12:42 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:12:29 2019. This comes close to what may have be used for electrified freight. Although this is a PRR DD-1, the LIRR had DD-1's almost identical. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 16 16:14:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by jailhousedoc on Wed Oct 16 07:10:57 2019. that ROW is useful for drug users to get and use their narcotics - and steal from nearby homes to feed their addictions - something the NIMBYS did not think about. None are so blind as those who will not see.....The NIMBY's purpose is to win at all costs. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 16 16:34:30 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Joe V on Mon Oct 14 18:29:43 2019. The sad thing is that there are people who sympathize with them. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Oct 16 16:56:24 2019, in response to VIDEO and DETAILS: Middle Tracks of Rockaway Line between the North Channel Bridge and Aqueduct, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Oct 16 16:11:53 2019. Excellent videos, as always. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Oct 16 16:59:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Oct 16 16:34:30 2019. Many people act as if they have a kind of religion which motivates them to do penance by employing criminals to flagellate people other than themselves. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Oct 16 17:11:03 2019, in response to VIDEO and DETAILS: Middle Tracks of Rockaway Line between the North Channel Bridge and Aqueduct, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Oct 16 16:11:53 2019. There still seem to be a bunch of slowdown kinks in that line. Stop and crawl over the bridge (afraid of falling into the water?), slow and crawl Westbound, RR north before Howard Beach (I recall there's some sort of kink in the rails about there) then another slow spot East of the mainland. It's a straight line from the island to Howard Beach, it should be 70 mph until 3/4 mile before JFK. That's how the Chinese would do it. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Oct 16 19:12:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 14 17:37:37 2019. I think it depends on where in midtown you're heading. Going by the published rush hour schedules and allowing for a 12 minute run up the RBB from Liberty Junction to Queens Blvd, Far Rock to 42 St via QBL local would be about 65 minutes, while the current rush hour time on the A from Far Rock to 42 St is about 74 minutes. Would be 9 minutes saved be worth it? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Oct 16 19:12:22 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 13 15:42:59 2019. Absolutely phenomenal! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 16 19:25:30 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Oct 16 19:12:22 2019. Absolutely phenomenal!Thanks Union Tpke. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Oct 16 19:57:40 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Walking The Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 14 06:52:51 2019. I DIDAND SAVED ONE |
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