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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 18 18:00:00 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 18 17:55:28 2019. That too. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 18 18:14:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 17 01:01:12 2019. Then I’m surprised that at least the lower level at least wasn’t designed for rapid transit since Moses had no power over the PA. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 18 18:17:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 18 10:33:45 2019. While Moses may have been “ethnically” Jewish, he converted to the Episcopal religion quite a while before he died. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 18:32:03 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 18 18:14:15 2019. It probably cost less to design it for cars, than for some idea for mass transit that had no real support. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 18:32:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 17:54:46 2019. "...it lost a ton of money,"It did. It was a monumental money loser. Got nowhere near back what $$$ went into it (construction materials, cost of labor etc.) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:13:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 17:54:46 2019. the term of art is creative accounting. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:15:00 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 18 17:53:45 2019. YES!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 20:29:07 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 18 14:01:02 2019. I can understand taking that route if you're going south, but to I-80? Bad idea! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 18 20:47:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 18:32:03 2019. I'm more annoyed at the lack of rail tracks on the Tappan Zee replacement. We should know better by now. Getting WoH into Grand Central would insulate those lines from a potential Hudson river tunnel closure (and potentially NJT would build a wye so that Main/BCL and PVL customers could go to Grand Central). |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:49:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 18 20:47:06 2019. Indeed the newTZ is a huge fail--right up there w/the 2 mayors Brown (Willie and Jerry) nixing rail onthe east span of the SF Bay Bridge. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 20:49:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Sep 18 20:47:06 2019. IAWTP. It just goes to show what Cuomo really thinks is important. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:50:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 20:49:49 2019. yup, empty headed dolt |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 20:56:28 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:50:26 2019. Not totally empty. His ego occupies much of the space where his brain would be. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 20:58:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 20:56:28 2019. chuckling. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:17:37 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 13:19:10 2019. How was it insane?I wish the Lomex were built. The Midmex too. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:20:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 18 17:53:45 2019. Would have never happened. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:21:18 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 18 18:14:15 2019. The PA essentially only provided financing for the bridge. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 22:37:41 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:17:37 2019. no point arguing; I am not a fan ofurban freeways. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:53:53 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:20:06 2019. Much of it would have, especially SAS, extension of the Flatbush subway, and some viable replacement of the Myrtle el crossing Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:56:19 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 18 13:19:10 2019. Had Lomex been built, West Side Highway would have remained, Greenwich and East Village would have been uninhabitable. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:57:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:17:37 2019. You are obviously one who thinks urban freeways cuts congestion. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:59:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 20:49:49 2019. Andrews wants vanity projects. How much MTA capital money did he raid to fund Moynihan station concourse ? Now we will have useless LGA Airtrain |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:17:59 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 18 21:21:18 2019. True, but there is an old saying (presumably Irish) that “who pays the piper calls the tune." |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:21:43 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:56:19 2019. The West Side Hwy would not have remained but would probably have been rebuilt since the original structure was self destructing which is why it was demolished. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:26:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 18 09:31:53 2019. While highways are an important part of NYC infrastructure, had Moses not been so anti mass transit, some of those highways could have been built like those in Chicago with provisions in the medians for rapid transit. Having attended Queens College and dated girls who live in two fare zones I can see the benefits of subway extensions in the medians of the Grand Central Pky, the LIE, the Van Wyck and the Cross Island. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:29:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 18 17:43:38 2019. But at the time the movie scene was supposed to have taken place, the lower level had not yet been built. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:30:57 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 18 17:44:14 2019. The novel might have mentioned Queens rather than NJ, but since I never read the novel, I can’t say for sure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 19 16:42:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:56:19 2019. Greenwich Village was completely inhabitable when the WSH existed. Maybe with an elevated highway on the waterfront it wouldn't have gentrified as horribly.How would the East Village have been affected at all? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 19 16:42:41 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:26:12 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 16:51:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 19 16:42:04 2019. It was not completely uninhabitable. (DOT punching Seventh Avenue through did some damage). It has since gentrified very nicely and very nice along that waterfront with that urban cancer gone. Many cities are tearing down their elevated highways, Seattle's Alaskan Way being the latest. Niagara Falls just did. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 16:51:46 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:56:19 2019. why I curse his memory |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 16:56:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:26:12 2019. Sometimes median rapid transit makes them walkable, like Dan Ryan Line as opposed to South Side "L". |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 17:07:57 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:21:43 2019. IIRC a truck fell thru the roadway onto the street, primarily due to weathering & falling concrete chunks exposing & rotting away the re-bar. Post snowstorm road salt was thought of a the primary culprit. The next day the highway was closed. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 17:14:44 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 16:56:12 2019. The entire Dan Ryan Expressway was located to divide neighborhoods and encouraghe whitef light/commuting from the burbs. Thanks Mayor Daley.The Ryan was supposed to relieve congestion on Lake Shore Drive; the morning it opened, the RI and IC between them lifted 5k fewer tix and both highways were gridlocked. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 19:01:09 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 17:14:44 2019. I meant to say LESS walkable. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 19:32:43 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 19:01:09 2019. Even if walkable, waiting on a platform in the middle of multiple lanes of smog boxes is unpleasant at best. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 19:39:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 19:32:43 2019. And noisy. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Sep 20 03:05:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:17:59 2019. I would think Scottish. Unless it's the Uileann pipes. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 20 05:05:17 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:56:19 2019. More like SoHo, the Lower East Side, and Chinatown would have been impacted. The neighborhoods would have suffered more, and either wouldn't have gentrified or gentrified at a slower pace. There just wouldn't have been enough of an "interesting" community to attract new residents. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Sep 20 07:57:54 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:21:43 2019. Westway, built on landfill west of 12th Avenue and West Street, was the planned replacement for the WSH. Neighborhood opposition finally killed it, but only after years of struggle. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 20 11:37:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 19 17:07:57 2019. Yeah a dump truck on its way to fill in potholes. What a coincidence. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:47:33 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 18 10:39:13 2019. It doesn't. But mass transit is still slower in most cases. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 11:50:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 18 10:39:13 2019. Clearly, that should be a subset symbol, not a not equal symbol. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:50:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:57:16 2019. There is no real answer to that one. It can and it cannot. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:52:32 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 16:51:30 2019. There were many iterations for LoMax.The last version I believe was a sunken Highway with five lanes in each direction. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:53:52 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 07:53:53 2019. That is pure speculation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:55:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 19 16:26:12 2019. Correct. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 11:57:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 19 16:51:30 2019. It was not completely uninhabitable.Yes, which is what I said. DOT punching Seventh Avenue through did some damage "DOT" did not exist in 1917. It has since gentrified very nicely and very nice along that waterfront with that urban cancer gone. Meaning it's now reserved exclusively for the very rich, and to hell with the people of the rest of the city. Many cities are tearing down their elevated highways, Seattle's Alaskan Way being the latest. Seattle's Alaskan Way was completely replaced with an underground highway, New York's West Side Highway wasn't. Niagara Falls is a poor example because it is a declining city without much need for routing traffic through, so the RM Parkway can be removed without much traffic impact. That's similarly true of uncompleted stubs like the old Embarcadero Freeway in San Francisco, despite San Francisco being a busy city. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 11:58:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Sep 20 11:52:32 2019. One iteration was elevated, and buildings would be built around it creating elevated tunnels. This would also help muffle the noise. Although it would have cut an even bigger swath. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 20 12:07:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 19 16:51:46 2019. You curse his memory because of misapprehended facts?No part of the Lomex would have passed through the Village. It passed almost entirely (but admittedly not totally) through then unpopulated industrial areas. Soho is nice now but wasn't back then. Meanwhile, thanks to Jacobs, not only do the people have to deal with heavy trucks and congestion at street level, the West Village that she wrote about no longer exists because of unbridled gentrification. |
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