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Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 16 17:23:35 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:49:39 2019. Maybe that's because there isn't any anti-Catholic legislation enacted? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:24:22 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:37:49 2019. Moses never admitted publicly that anyone ever gave him any trouble, whether it was a political figure or a private person. Moses had the advantage of never facing an election so he could always avoid the public. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:25:47 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 13:55:43 2019. He was burned in effigy numerous times. He always laughed it off. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:30:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 16:30:24 2019. I have to correct myself.Official reports had Israel planning a pavilion as early as 1962 but pulled out of the Fair due to costs. Caro suggests that Moses made it financially difficult for Israel to participate but the truth is, a lot of countries complained about costs. So perhaps Moses didn’t bar Israel from the Fair. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 17:37:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:49:39 2019. What "public anti Catholic actions?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 18:17:34 2019, in response to Re: Please take this to OT ChatNY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:22:22 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:20:27 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:27:48 2019. I had often wondered where that scene (pun intended) was shot. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:22:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:53:23 2019. It was.The PA floated the funds to build the Narrows Bridge in trade for the New span across the Hudson River at 125th St. This bridge was virtually the Twin of the Narrows span. Instead,the GW was given a new lower deck...the second bridge perminatly put on hold,and the VN given the green light. The PA also crafted a shady ass deal that saw to no other crossings were built north/south of the GW for miles in trade for the Narrows Bridge. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:23:28 2019, in response to Re: Please take this to OT ChatNY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:22:22 2019. Yup.It certainly would get eaten alive in that he'll hole. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:23:40 2019, in response to Re: Please take this to OT ChatNY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:22:22 2019. Yup.It certainly would get eaten alive in that hell hole. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:23:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 14:44:49 2019. There is another scene which is not geographically correct. When Michael is being taken to meet with those he was intended to whack. They are going over a bridge which is supposed to be to New Jersey, but it is in reality, the Queensboro lower level. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:31:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:30:48 2019. Not to mention that the entire fair was NOT SANCTIONED by the World's Fair organization.He did it on his own, and lost tons of money. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:36:53 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 17:02:03 2019. Maybe not, but it did have the balls to take over the H&M and create PATH. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:39:27 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:24:22 2019. That’s the unfortunate part about patronage jobs and the resulting so called “autonomous” authorities that re created as a result. No accountability. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 16 20:57:53 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:23:48 2019. I thought it was the upper level. Is that the scene where they make the U turn?? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Sep 16 21:00:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 10:59:20 2019. When you have to say something that should be obvious, there is no point in even bothering. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:27:06 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. I sometimes wonder if anything should be named after anybody. I also sometimes wonder if the people making these suggestions are as perfect as they want us to think they are. And if we start taking names off things, we can start with the bridge that was erected on the site of the demolished Tappan Zee Bridge. The man for whom the new bridge was named, while looking like a saint compared to his son, had some reprehensible beliefs in my estimation.Moses-- I think he hated people in general from what I can gather. He would have been happy to build roads that no one used. He was an equal-opportunity demolitionist who, after bulldozing low-income neighborhoods in New York City went on to bulldoze middle-class neighborhoods in Nassau County (half of the current RoW of the Southern State Parkway runs over bulldozed properties as does a good chunk of the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway) and would have been happy to bulldoze upper-class neighborhoods in Oyster Bay if the people there didn't have the money and power to stop him. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:29:39 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 16 17:23:35 2019. Hardly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:39:19 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:20:27 2019. Mitchel Field. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:42:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:23:48 2019. How was it supposed to be New Jersey? I thought they were going to the Bronx. I could be wrong, though. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:44:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:27:06 2019. The man for whom the new bridge was named, while looking like a saint compared to his son, had some reprehensible beliefs in my estimation.Such as? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:45:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:29:39 2019. Example? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:47:53 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Sep 16 17:30:48 2019. I saw a JTA article but I was not convinced that it contradicted your post. Thanks.However it did establish that there were protests against the Jordanian pavilion. So much for Joe V's theory. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 16 22:01:50 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:27:06 2019. Thats the one place they really needed a bridge (or tunnel), between Rye & Oyster Bay. If Moses could have got that done, that (IMO) would have been a great achievement. As we all know, getting off Long Island means going thru the City which is a nightmare. Looking back at a more harm than good scale, a bridge or tunnel there would be looked upon as very good. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 22:08:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 16 22:01:50 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 16 22:10:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 21:39:19 2019. I read that too. I also saw that it was originally reported to be at Floyd Bennett. There is no chance it was filmed at Floyd Bennett. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 16 22:49:09 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Sep 16 12:54:26 2019. Read the Torah |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 23:07:46 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:05:15 2019. The claim is he thought blacks disliked colder water, and so made the water colder in black areas to discourage them from using it. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 23:13:20 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 14:50:54 2019. If other governments were allowed to have pavilions, and Israel wasn't, then yes, wouldn't the State of Israel have standing to sue? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 23:38:37 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:36:53 2019. Weren't they forced to take over the H&M as a condition of being able to build the WTC? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 17 01:00:00 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 16 23:13:20 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 17 01:01:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:53:23 2019. It actually was the case. The PA owns the bridge and the TBTA leases and operates it. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 17 05:24:48 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:31:29 2019. Ironic then, that we remember the '64 World's Fair so fondly. :-) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 17 05:38:01 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:22:04 2019. Wow. Imagine if a bridge had been built at 125th St, what effect it would have had on Harlem. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 17 05:47:32 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 16:41:02 2019. GCT was also saved by Jackie O. I got the impression it would have been close if not for her. Penn Station, unfortunately, had no prominent citizen to fight for it. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 17 06:47:41 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 18:22:04 2019. The GWB was built with provision for adding a lower deck, so it makes sense that that would be built, rather than a whole new crossing at 125th St. And it's hard to envision how a 125th St. bridge would connect on the Manhattan side. It's certainly a good thing they didn't try to turn 125th St. into an expressway. The other proposal that was considered at one time, a bridge from the Cross County Parkway to Alpine, NJ, would have been just as bad, potentially ripping up the whole Downtown Yonkers/Getty Square area. And the Tappan Zee Bridge was built where it was because that was just outside the zone in which the Port Authority had the exclusive right to build trans-Hudson crossings. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Sep 17 08:41:45 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. Well, they got that racist mural on the 2nd ave subway, and NY kept a statue for a nazi collaborator, so let's call it what it is, since racism obviously isn't the only factor here. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 17 09:24:25 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Sep 16 21:29:39 2019. I can't think of any. What are you referring to? |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Tue Sep 17 09:44:29 2019, in response to NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 15 23:24:54 2019. Of course this pos played a large role in the loss of the Dodgers in 1957. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 09:51:52 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 16 07:16:28 2019. I am not talking about the actual election per say, I'm talkin about this pussified mindset that weak Society decides to adopt in 2019 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 09:52:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 16 11:56:01 2019. The Guinea Gangplank! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 10:05:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Sep 16 08:10:31 2019. You're not honoring his racist tendencies, you're honoring other things about him. Everyone has their flaws. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 10:10:49 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:40:15 2019. Yes. In New York state, technically you can't have a trailer on a Parkway, but 99 times out of a hundred, if you are pulling something like a motorcycle or a jet ski on a small trailer, it's overlooked |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 10:13:04 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Edwards! on Mon Sep 16 13:27:23 2019. It's not my truth, it's the truth for everybody |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 17 11:15:58 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 09:51:52 2019. Whoa.You mean SJW super liberals? I can agree...but the opposite spectrum is just as bad if not worse. I seriously don't expect people to think alike,but I willing to accept working Together to accomplish a goal so we can live together. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 17 11:16:45 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Sep 17 09:51:52 2019. Whoa.You mean SJW super liberals? I can agree...but the opposite spectrum is just as bad if not worse. I seriously don't expect people to think alike,but I willing to accept working Together to accomplish a goal so we can live. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 17 11:19:50 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Sep 17 08:41:45 2019. Can you give an example please.Not trying to be funny.. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 17 11:31:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 17 06:47:41 2019. And it's hard to envision how a 125th St. bridge would connect on the Manhattan side.Cross-Harlem Expressway. There's a stub for it on the Triborough Bridge at Second Avenue. I wonder what highways would have been built on the NJ side. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 17 12:05:42 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:36:53 2019. Forced to take over a bankrupt railroad is hardly doing anyone a favor..Especially if said road hasn't expanded one mile outside of the original trackage. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 17 12:12:47 2019, in response to Re: NY Daily News: Robert Moses’ Name Should Be Removed from Public Works, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 17 12:05:42 2019. One of the reasons that the RR was bankrupt was because Moses hogged most of the state's construction money to build his highways, bridges and his housing projects. His policies also sent the LIRR into a tailspin and directly led to the decline of the subways by the 1960's. |
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