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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 12 05:18:28 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Michael549 on Wed Sep 11 20:02:51 2019. 146729131101 109610 |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 07:46:51 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Sep 11 14:35:43 2019. TA says this means 6 car shuttle trains. That could mean R62A's, are praying for no union issues, or conductors come back, or 5 car R142's, which need not be custom-assigned.Looks like they will have to swap out the north track every month now rather than every 2 months. Wonder if they will do anything to make that job less laborious ? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 12 10:12:48 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 11 22:47:00 2019. But it very well might be behind walls. That is, at the west end of the new platform, track 4 goes into a tunnel, and if you lean over and look into that tunnel, you will see track 4 curve to the right, but you won't be able to see the merge with the uptown local 1/2/3 track. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 12 10:39:30 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Michael549 on Wed Sep 11 12:26:11 2019. Not enough capacity.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 12 11:20:36 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 12 10:39:30 2019. They're lengthening the platforms to 6 cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 12 11:28:22 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019.  |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 12 13:38:54 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 07:46:51 2019. I think they are planning exactly that- with the area closed off to the general public, there'll be no need for the sidewalk bridge. In fact, I think the plans specifically allude to this.So the whole deal of removing and reinstalling the bridge will be a thing of the past... |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Sep 12 13:39:15 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019. Those cars came from the 6.The cars originated on the 6, were transfered to the 7 when the R142As arrived to serve on the Pelham line. When contract R188 began the R142As were transfered to the 7 (and rebuilt) and the R62As returned to the Pelham line. As to the circle/diamond lights I don't think they can be turned off so it shows whatever the crew wants to use (I guess) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Sep 12 13:40:26 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 10 20:00:21 2019. That is why there are websites like NYC Subway.Org, the Transit Museum, LIRR Railroad website, among several others to tell and show the history of the subways, the local railroads and other features.I really doubt the MTA would have keep up the older elevated transit lines just so the rail-fans could see how it was done in the past, no matter how much rail-fans would have wanted those lines preserved. In a way it is similar with other features and architecture. Plenty of photographs have to be taken, or else the structures are gone or changed in major ways. Ask any of the kids today if they can find the Pan-AM Building . . . Mike |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Sep 13 02:21:19 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Allan on Thu Sep 12 13:39:15 2019. Correct, but there are lots of R62s/R62As that never made it to Flushing and never got the circles and diamonds. Are any of these others still coupled (not linked) together? They would be more appropriate for the shuttle. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 13 03:17:55 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 07:46:51 2019. Looks like they will have to swap out the north track every month now rather than every 2 months. Wonder if they will do anything to make that job less laborious ?Once the renovations are complete, there will be a new island platform that serves both remaining tracks. Since the current track 4 platform will be abandoned, they won't need to maintain a bridge to it, so getting trains out will be much easier. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 13 03:17:59 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 12 10:12:48 2019. Not just "behind walls." The current track 4 platform will be abandoned. Much of the current concourse (and platforms) will be closed off entirely. The track connection to the west side mainline will remain open, but you won't be able to get anywhere near the switch. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 13 03:18:03 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Sep 12 13:38:54 2019. Exactly. New island platform just east of the current station means no need to access the old platform means no bridge required. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 13 07:42:54 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 13 03:17:59 2019. That's just what I said. When I referred to peering into the tunnel from the platform, I meant the new platform. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 10:38:57 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 12 11:20:36 2019. ok |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 11:10:10 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 13 07:42:54 2019. I'm glad you put an 'r' in that word.Poor dyslexic Tiger did not see the poor little 'r' on his first read and wondered what was happening here. ROAR |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:48:45 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Allan on Thu Sep 12 13:39:15 2019. In a sense, the diamonds are appropriate because the shuttle "skips" Fifth Avenue, unlike the 7. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 13 13:41:53 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:48:45 2019. Not what the diamond symbolizes. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:03:15 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Sep 11 19:39:52 2019. The false wall would only be between tk 4 and tk 1 but not in a place where it would block the track itself. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:15:27 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Michael549 on Wed Sep 11 20:02:51 2019. That’s the point I was trying to make. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:16:55 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 20:53:32 2019. It’s good to see that someone seems to have realized that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 13 19:09:50 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Sep 10 17:52:39 2019. But it's bad for riders, which is much more important. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 13 19:52:22 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:17 2019. Bummer. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 13 19:54:37 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 10 20:00:02 2019. Of course not. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 13 19:56:43 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:17 2019. Y |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Sep 13 22:24:01 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:17 2019. yeah, that's the way it appears from the drawing and diagrams - one more thing that makes New York. New York will be gone... |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Sep 13 23:12:12 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019. With the track connection to the IRT, has service and/or could service operate on the Lex line as northbound shortturns? |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 01:45:36 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by BusRider on Fri Sep 13 23:12:12 2019. There is no way an uptown Lex train (local or express) can enter the shuttle station. Those track connections were severed decades ago. The only track connection remaining at Grand Central is from the eastbound shuttle on track #1 which merges with the downtown #6 local track south of Grand Central. Similarly, there is no way a downtown Broadway train (local or express) can enter the shuttle station. The only track connection remaining at Times Square is from the westbound shuttle track #4 to the uptown #1 local track just beyond the shuttle station. Unlike the connection at Grand Central, which occurs deep in the tunnel out of sight, the connection at Times Square is completely visible, and many railfans find it intriguing, which is why so many are sad that it too will become out of sight after the construction. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 14 09:41:07 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:48:45 2019. The Shuttle is not regarded as an express 7 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 14 10:35:40 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 01:45:36 2019. Me thinks the new construction should provide a glass wall so that people can see the history of the railroad.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 14 11:39:58 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 14 10:35:40 2019. Atlantic Terminal has translucent glazed brick, but hard to make out anything through it. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 14 12:11:20 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 01:45:36 2019. Thank you for the clarity. I assume these are used for yard access only. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 14 14:59:19 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Sep 13 11:48:45 2019. Doesn't count. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 14 15:00:46 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 01:45:36 2019. Those track connections were severed a century ago.:) |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 21:32:07 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 14 12:11:20 2019. Yes, only to replace the trains with others. Furthermore, according to the track diagram on nycsubway.org from The Tracks of New York (scroll down and over), there are no switches between tracks 1 and 4 between Grand Central and Times Square, so the train on track 1 can only come from the Lex line and the train on track 4 can only come from Broadway. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 14 21:57:40 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Sat Sep 14 21:32:07 2019. Interesting, thank you for sharing! |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 15 11:01:38 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 13 03:17:55 2019. There is a stairway that leads up to the street (W43rd & B'way) at the north end of the shuttle station on 4 Track. Unless that entrance is sealed off, a cross over of 4 Track to the TSq complex & rebuilt shuttle station will be required. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 15 11:22:44 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 10 20:00:02 2019. Should they? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 15 12:23:40 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 15 11:01:38 2019. LION was thinking about that.I mean how hard would it be to replace that bridge that has to be disassembled and reassembled after every movement with a small mechanical drawbridge. It would likely be cheaper than closing the exit. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 15 12:40:14 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 15 11:01:38 2019. Others have said that 43rd and Bway will be closed, but a new entrance will be built on the north side of 42nd near Bway.43rd and Bway can only handle very few people, so a bigger entrance might be a decent trade-off. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 15 13:49:18 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 13 07:42:54 2019. Yep. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 15 13:49:37 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:15 2019. Yes. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Sep 15 13:50:27 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:17 2019. With a periscope you may still be able to see something. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Sep 15 15:15:43 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 11 23:22:17 2019. I will be there this very week to visit that location on Friday afternoon. Look for my owl.ROAR |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 15 19:37:56 2019, in response to GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 04:31:41 2019. I checked out the shuttle today at TSQ. Only one train running on Track 4. Didn't see the Track 1 shuttle train layed up anywhere.Track 3 has white construction netting covering the trackway. High powered LED lights in the tunnel at TSQ. Things are moving. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by mrw on Mon Oct 14 17:38:40 2019, in response to Re: GC-TS Shuttle observations, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 15 19:37:56 2019. Sometime during the first week of October, Track 3 was put back in service and now Track 1 is out of service. Interestingly, the train on Track 3 is now four cars but the eastern most car was dark and had signs that it was not in service. |
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