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NYC Subway graffiti is back. |
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Posted by gold_12th on Tue Sep 10 22:39:04 2019 https://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/2019/09/graffiti-delays/ |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 10 23:00:36 2019, in response to NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by gold_12th on Tue Sep 10 22:39:04 2019. Clean the trains at the first opportunity where doing so will not delay service. But don't take trains out of service and cause delays just to remove graffiti! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 11 00:07:40 2019, in response to NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by gold_12th on Tue Sep 10 22:39:04 2019. It looked better on R-27s |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 11 00:38:16 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 10 23:00:36 2019. Its company policy because if a train goes down the road tagged up it encourages more vandals and embarasses NYCT too |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 11 01:02:44 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 11 00:07:40 2019. There were a lot of R 27/30's in yards that had vandal issues.Fresh Pond Yard or Halsey Layup were easier to hit than Pitkin or Jamaica Yard. 7 train had graffiti but was relatively clean because its yard and layup positions were not most inviting. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:52:27 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 11 00:38:16 2019. They should worry more about providing on-time service and less about "embarrassment". |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:56:18 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 11 01:02:44 2019. During the 1970s the R46 fleet was the new showcase equipment and was kept graffiti-free. I lived in Brooklyn near the 'F' train at the time, and the R46s were clean and the a/c always worked. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Sep 11 08:56:43 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:52:27 2019. Can someone enlighten me why they are concerned with graffiti, when other crimes such as urination, defecation, fare evasion, assaults, etc are now commonplace? If nobody cares about the latter, why care about the former? Let everything go to hell since that's what "they" want. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 11 09:29:06 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Sep 11 08:56:43 2019. Graffiti was a symptom of the deterioration of the City and its most visible everyday manifestation.The return is a symbol of the breakdown of what had become a better-ordered city. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 11 10:37:36 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Sep 11 08:56:43 2019. urination, defecation, fare evasion, assaults, etc are now commonplaceAnd how commonplace are they really? Do you have any real numbers, or just a subjective perception? Assaults would be the most serious concern, have they really increased? Urination/defecation is a real concern too. Fare evasion is the MTA's concern, not directly that of other riders. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Sep 11 13:01:28 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 11 00:07:40 2019. Nothing made R-27/R-30s look better!#trollpost #trollingLuch |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Sep 11 13:04:29 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Sep 11 13:01:28 2019. Although, the Ronan silver/blue color scheme on the non-stainless steel cars was so hideous, in many cases, the graffiti was an improvement (not to excuse the fact that it was vandalism). |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 11 17:07:11 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Sep 11 13:04:29 2019. I have always felt that the R-36/R-10 style racing stripe scheme should have been applied to all the non stainless steel cars instead of either the Ronan or redbird schemes. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Sep 11 19:57:18 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Sep 10 23:00:36 2019. No. Inspect them before they go IN service. Don't take it out on the road. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 08:49:12 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by zac on Wed Sep 11 19:57:18 2019. And if there is no train available to replace the tagged train (like if the train hit was one stored on the tail tracks above 96/2)? Better to run the tagged train than to miss an interval. Make sure there is another train that can replace it when it gets to the other terminal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 10:18:30 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 08:49:12 2019. They don't want vandals to have much pleasure in having their masterpieces displayed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 12 11:05:16 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 08:49:12 2019. If you lived through the 70's and 80s, you would realize why that is not the case. They are smart not to bend on that rule. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 12 11:11:49 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 08:49:12 2019. It is better to miss the interval.RAOR |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 13:31:22 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 10:18:30 2019. So they will cause displeasure and inconvenience to people who would have ridden that train, and who just might be late for work as a result. Not a good policy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 14:12:48 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 13:31:22 2019. They don't give a shit. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Thu Sep 12 14:31:59 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 11 10:37:36 2019. All events as described by posters about are legitimate in outlook. However NYCT can resolve a graffiti issue by removing it, it can't arrest the social issues of crime in the subway. Addressing crime is the responsibility of the Police. However a political agenda by some public prosecutors (DA's) who the position feel that to pursuit the application of the law is predatory to an underprivileged class of citizens.Big difference the way NYC was like in the 1940's through the mid 1960's. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 12 14:42:43 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:56:18 2019. Coney Island Yard and Jamaica Yard. Two very difficult yards to vandalize.That is part of the reason those trains were cleaner. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Sep 12 18:03:54 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 12 11:05:16 2019. As far as I am concerned I am entitled to my own opinion about this subject matter. Graffiti never left the subway, it just took on new forms. Acid marks on glass, and interior / exterior stainless steel surfaces of subway cars, scratches on interiors and exterior surfaces of subway cars, I even saw the interior door frame of a new 179 scratched. I am not sure what type of "ART" this is I have seen hundreds of white station tiles destroyed with acid brown marks.Every inch of track wall in tunnels are covered with graffiti, Structures adjacent to elevated subway lines are covered with graffiti, the elevated structures have sections that are covered with graffiti. RD (Robert Dyer) the 46 year old city employee was caught last year applying his signature RD tag. I remember him since the 1980's His tag is now covering the tunnel walls of the 4,& 5 from 125th to Grand Central. This was done about three years ago. IMHO every inch of any type of graffiti should be removed from every surface and maintained that way. My first train ride at age 10 in 1972 was an R-32 N train. Every inch of the exterior and interior was covered with graffiti. Back then all the trains even the R-44 & 46's were covered with graffiti, the stations were covered with graffiti, there were no accurate signs on the trains, there was no A/C, many times only one door opened, clear announcements were rare, there was litter everywhere, the trains very often were dark. Sometimes the graffiti was so bad you could not see out the window. All of this gave the impression that no one cared and as a result ridership fell. I would like to see the entire system free from any form of graffiti, litter, peeling paint etc. This is just my opinion. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 12 19:33:01 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Sep 12 11:05:16 2019. One thing that would help a lot is more aggressive criminal prosecution of graffiti vandals. I don't know for sure, but I suspect the courts are very lenient toward them. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 12 21:05:57 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 13:31:22 2019. Dire Dan |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 10:43:50 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 12 14:12:48 2019. It is better than running vandalized equipment. Once that starts it will NEVER stop.ROAR |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Fri Sep 13 10:47:11 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 10:43:50 2019. Vandalism is not a crime to Progressives. A shame |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 11:12:47 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by brightonr68 on Fri Sep 13 10:47:11 2019. Progressives *are* a crime.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 13 17:29:22 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Sep 11 00:07:40 2019. Doesn't look good on anything. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:06:03 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 13 11:12:47 2019. IAWTP! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:08:56 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 12 13:31:22 2019. If it is known far enough ahead of time the terminal dispatcher can institute a flexible interval (called a “flex” on the IRT and a “stretch” on the other divisions) so that an even headway can be operated instead of just one big gap in service. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:14:09 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 12 19:33:01 2019. Leniency by the courts and the prosecutors is definitely a problem. In some Asian countries, the perps are actually flogged for such offenses. Maybe if the Constitutional ban on so called “cruel and unusual” punishments were eliminated, crime would plummet, and of it were done on a regular basis then it would no longer be “unusual.' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 13 19:22:43 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:52:27 2019. This was the mindset in the early 70s and look what happened... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 13 19:47:15 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Dan on Wed Sep 11 08:56:18 2019. I remember seeing tagged R-46s. Maybe not every square inch, but they still got tagged. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 13 19:47:57 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by randyo on Wed Sep 11 17:07:11 2019. The R-10 racing stripe scheme was the best. It made them LOOK fast! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Sep 13 20:19:53 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 13 19:47:15 2019. That is because they laid up in spots where vandals could not do top to bottom, just a quick hit. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 14 10:20:29 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by randyo on Fri Sep 13 18:14:09 2019. That ban does not need to be lifted as flogging is NOT a cruel or unusual punishment. Back in the days when the Constitution was written cruel and unusual punishment was being tarred and feathered, or being drawn and quartered. Even the Guillotine was neither cruel nor unusual.ROAR |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Sep 14 13:58:18 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Sep 13 19:22:43 2019. They weren't exactly providing reliable on-time service in the 70s. And they made little effort at all to clean the graffiti. I'm not saying just let it stay. But I am saying that when there is no other trainset available, run the train that one time, then make sure it is replaced by another at the end of that run. Maybe even make an announcement on board explaining that that is what they are doing. A train running light is just as visible to people who want pictures of it as an occupied train anyway. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 14 16:20:00 2019, in response to Re: NYC Subway graffiti is back., posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 14 10:20:29 2019. Unfortunately, the terms “cruel and unusual” are so vague that many smart ass lawyers call anything they want to, cruel and unusual if it benefits their clients. Even the death penalty is described as cruel and unusual in some places. |
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