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Posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 09:15:55 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. 40 hours is the legal criteria. After 8 is by CBA. 4 10s is 8 hours of OT one way. 40 straight the other way. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 09:20:20 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. Can an employee take overtime 1 day then reduce hours another? FWIW, any time I was eligible for overtime, it was after 40 hours. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 20 09:20:45 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. No its not.. What they want to do is one thing..What WE allow is something else.... |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 09:42:51 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 09:20:20 2019. It would depend on whether or not they were working under a CBA or employment agreement that covered the topic. I worked under a CBA that did not forbid it, overtime was after 7 hours. On the other hand, if I did it unilaterally, I would be subject to losing my job. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. My fear with this is, they could force employees to work 4 days at 10 hours and no overtime. and although this may seem nice, a 3 day weekend. It will seriously effect overall earnings and employees financial obligations like mortgages and car payments. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Aug 20 10:13:17 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. +100 |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 10:14:56 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. So you have a run that pays 10 hours. Instead of a guy doing that 5 days he’ll do it 4 days and the 5 th day will be RDO relief? |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 10:22:19 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. They have to remove military leave, jury duty and the annual hearing/right to know from their availability calculations. Especially military leave-TWU should throw that in their faces in the media.They want to increase availability but eliminate paper suspensions! |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 20 10:50:00 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. I'm totally in the wrong business. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 10:58:33 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 20 10:50:00 2019. One of the reasons working people in the US fall further behind in their share of the nation's wealth every year is because they too often focus in why someone else has something, instead of figuring out why they don't. Both parents shouldn't have to work to make ends meet, the impact on family life is enormous, and that is not good for the country. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:17:57 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. Your budget should be based on regular pay, not on overtime pay.Figure your budget on regular pay, and then pocket the extra for either savings , retirement, vacations, or building model railroads. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:20:23 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 10:58:33 2019. Most of what you say is true, but how are working people falling behind? Barbers earn $30.00 hr plus tips in Dickinson ND.The owner sets his prices so that it is easy to hand the barber $25 and say keep the change. ROAR |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 20 12:32:34 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 10:58:33 2019. I was thinking of it from another angel.People don't realize how lucky they are when they're the only ones making OT for doing something that no one else gets the OT for. Instead of focusing on others who appear to be "jealous" when it's actually disbelief, they shoulda kept everyone ire off of them instead of complaining about being so lucky. From the manner in which said people act like it's commonplace or normal, when it aint, I went into the wrong business. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 12:41:48 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. Using your mentality it would force many more to work their RDO for OT which is what they want. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 20 12:50:09 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:17:57 2019. Indeed, the expectation of OT is not smart. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 12:51:54 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 12:41:48 2019. So a run or trick that pays 10 hours (9:20 actual pays 10].......would be a 4 day 37:20 minute week? If he gets a late clear the next day is time and a half?I just don’t understand what the difference is between paying OT after 8 or 40 is except in the rare cases of someone with no sick time left booking off 3 days and working two days of penalty jobs. How often does that happen? BS! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Aug 20 13:03:07 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 20 12:50:09 2019. Same thing with bonuses. Too many people bet on their bonuses. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 13:19:59 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 12:51:54 2019. Not sure but the goal is to make people work more days. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 13:25:56 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. ???I agree working 4 x 10 isn't fun. But how does it affect mortgages and car payments? Same pay as 5 x 8. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 13:29:39 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 13:25:56 2019. Because by going to the federal standard for overtime, workers who currently work 4x10 lose 4 hours of pay each cycle. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 13:35:01 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 13:29:39 2019. Huh? In RTO you have to work five days, right? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 13:35:35 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 13:35:01 2019. I don't know. |
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It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 20 16:11:11 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. The proposals by NYCT to TWU/100 proves they are far apart.Employee availability improvements: transit workers are being assaulted in record numbers. This certainly affects the average number of days employees are available to work in a year. Financial package: NO RETROACTIVE PAY (union will not accept that). 2% raise 60 days after "full and final ratification"; then 2% a year for the following 3 years on the 365th day of the previous raise. Health Care: they currently 2% of their check taken out for this. Proposal is an additional .5% a year. So at the end of the contract the cost will have doubled. $150 for an emergency room visit. Schedules: part time operations across all bus divisions on new or redesigned routes. Reduced schedules across all operating divisions (bus & subways) to institute PART TIME bus operators, train operators and conductors. There is a lot more, but this is a summary. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 16:15:59 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 20 13:29:39 2019. That is assuming that 4 x 10 is the current standard work week.That would surprise me for a transit system. |
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Re: It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 20 16:41:34 2019, in response to It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 20 16:11:11 2019. Never give in to part timers. Once they get their foot in the door with that, they'll want it with all crafts. There goes the OT. I've seen that happen at Metro North. IMO, thats a dealbreaker right there. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 16:50:54 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 12:41:48 2019. Actually it would give MTA option to hire more people and since earnings are less it lowers their pension obligations . |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 16:52:18 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 13:25:56 2019. Currently a employee works 5 days a week with 2 hours OT for same kind of work . |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:11:45 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 10:14:56 2019. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility since even before I started working for the TA in 1966, among TWU’s demands was a 4 day workweek. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 17:12:24 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:20:23 2019. They are falling behind in real terms. Wage growth has been stagnant ascompared to cost of living, and a greater percentage of the nations wealth is held by a smaller percentage. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:13:20 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 16:50:54 2019. True, but it increases the MTA’s expenses for other fringe benefits. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 17:16:02 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:13:20 2019. yes but pensions is what is big item. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:25:10 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 13:35:01 2019. That is the current standard. However, if the MTA were to have all the runs recut so that a “normal” workday is 10 hours instead of 8, then the 40 hour week could be accomplished i 4 days instead of 5. The only wrinkle would come in with jobs that at the present time are easily divisible into 3 X 8 hour tours over a 24 hour period like tower operators and eventually supervisors. At the present time Tw/O tours are divided up into 8 hour tours over a 24 hour period like 0000-0800, 0800-1600 and 1600-0000. If a 10 hour day were to be initiated it might start something like 0000-1000, 1000- 2000 leaving the period 2000-0000 needing to be coverd some other way. I will probably be a schedule maker’s nightmare. Of course with the increase in master towers on the NYCTS which often require several Tw/Os at certain peak periods of the day, the oddity in hours can probably be worked out. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:26:22 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 16:15:59 2019. It might make work programs for long lines like the F and the D easier to generate. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:29:04 2019, in response to Re: It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Aug 20 16:41:34 2019. AFAIK, Boston MBTA has had part timers, at least on buses and streetcars, for years. |
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Re: It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:39:24 2019, in response to It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 20 16:11:11 2019. One of the proposals that the MTA countered with as far back as the 1980s was the elimination of paid lunch periods. with the exception of jobs athat pay no more than 8 hours, I had to go through a bunch of work programs and remove the lunch pay from all jobs that were over 8 hours which reduced the overtime payment on those runs quite a bit. To give an example, a job working 8:45 actual with a 45 min lunch and paying 9:08 would after removal of the paid lunch, pay exactly 8:00 since the 45 min lunch period would no longer be paid at all so only the actual 8:00 non lunch time would be paid. Dept of Buses doesn’t pay penalty on “off vehicle “ time so that in RTO an 8:30 actual run would pay 8:45, the same run in Buses would only pay 8:30 since the lunch period is not figure in OT allowance. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 20 18:10:29 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 16:50:54 2019. Actually it would give MTA option to hire more people and since earnings are less it lowers their pension obligations .The new employees are under Tier VI, and there's a cap of $15000 of overtime on top of one's base pay for pension calculation purposes. Anything above that amount is not factored at all. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 18:24:09 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 16:52:18 2019. Ah, so they're doing 10 x 5.But in that case they get 10 hours of overtime, same as under the proposed rules. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 20 18:32:20 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 18:24:09 2019. I think in timekeeping.Workers won't reach OT until fifth day in most cases. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 20 20:45:08 2019, in response to It's Not Just That (was: OT after 40hrs), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Aug 20 16:11:11 2019. transit workers are being assaulted in record numbers. This certainly affects the average number of days employees are available to work in a year.Only about 1/4 of NYCT's heavy rail workers are classified as being in vehicle operations by the NTD in 2017. The rest are classified as being in: vehicle maintenance; facility maintenance; general administration and capital labor. These remaining 75% do not come in contact with the public and have not been assaulted by the public. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Tue Aug 20 22:54:03 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:17:57 2019. If you bid a job that pays 10hrs, that is your regular pay. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 07:55:27 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 20 16:15:59 2019. How about 12 hr * 3.5 Days...We did that in the NAVY on the mess decks... 6AM to 6 PM... worm MON TUE, FRI SAT SUN WED THU, seven days in a two week period. ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 08:06:12 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 17:25:10 2019. Some jobsx may be 8*5 and others 10*4. ewe get what you bid on.ROAR |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Aug 21 08:42:08 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 09:15:55 2019. Bloomberg wanted only to pay OT after 40 worked hours. If you called out sick all week but worked 10 hours on Saturday five would be at time and a half. He wanted that changed to actually at work 40 hours not count sick or vacation leave in calculating OT.Unions never agreed to it. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Wed Aug 21 08:52:17 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Aug 20 09:15:55 2019. No, 4 10s IS 37hrs 20mins actual work and 2hrs 40mins OT. As operational subway workers have a five day week I don’t understand the purpose of this demand. |
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Posted by IRT/O on Wed Aug 21 09:15:14 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. I just read newly posted info on TWU site. The OT demand does pertain to run pay ie scheduled OT.So do CTAs have penalty jobs and no sick time and just come in once or twice a week? Is that a thing? Track? Power? |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Aug 21 09:44:06 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Wed Aug 21 08:52:17 2019. paid lunch and break time is a matter of collective bargaining, the FLSA is after 40 hours of paid time. If you revert to the 40 hour FLA standard instead of the current after 8 paid hours, 4 10s is 40 hours no ot. Whether or not that includes paid breaks or lunch is a separate matter. I worked on an 8-330 job, thats 7.5 hours, nut only 7 was paid time, the lunch was not paid. I got OT after 7, if I worked until 430 that was 1 hour of ot the lunch, being unpaid didn't count. If lunch was paid it would have been a different story. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 21 13:42:12 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 20 10:00:36 2019. What about the financial obligations like mortgages and car payments of New York State taxpayers and the pocket book of fare paying riders? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 21 13:46:00 2019, in response to OT after 40hrs, posted by IRT/O on Tue Aug 20 09:02:50 2019. Win win, 9 80 or 4 10 schedules provide workers with valuable work-life balance and also bring down the insane level of OT that is strangling the MTA. What workers think they gain in OT is quickly eaten up by child care and other costs associated with an inflexible schedule. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 15:32:20 2019, in response to Re: OT after 40hrs, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 21 13:42:12 2019. Your budget (You do have a budget, do you not?) should only count regular hours and not anticipate any overtime hours. We already know what you can do with extra money, but it cannot be a part of your budget.ROAR |
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