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Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 10:20:51 2019 Trolleys will come backPardon my LOL on that return of the trolleys.I say , wait and. see. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Aug 12 12:04:28 2019, in response to Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 10:20:51 2019. "For people in Fishtown and Port Richmond, where more than 57 percent of workers commute by car"Seems high for such a neighborhood. I wonder if what that number is by decade. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 12 12:21:38 2019, in response to Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 10:20:51 2019. I have been looking at the I-95 info site for a while, and they have made consistent noises like Route 15 is coming back.I just get a little chill when I think of that nice stretch of newly rebuilt track on the way to Germantown. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 12 13:02:10 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 12 12:21:38 2019. Route 23 goes to Germantown. Route 15 goes to West Philly.I would love to see trolleys on Rt. 23 again, but this will almost certainly never happen. Too much track has been paved over, especially in Center City. I think partial Trolley service will return to Rt. 15 after Labor Day. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 14:35:06 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 12 13:02:10 2019. I will check the tracker on Sept. 2nd for partial trolleys , to Northern Liberties loop. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 12 16:39:35 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 14:35:06 2019. I will too. I miss my PCCs. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Aug 12 17:07:46 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 12 16:39:35 2019. clearly, you should have come out to SF for vacation/therapy on Market Street. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 12 17:29:47 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Aug 12 17:07:46 2019. clearly, you should have come out to SF for vacation/therapy on Market Street. This is very good advice. They have cable cars and trackless trolleys as well. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 12 18:11:58 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 12 14:35:06 2019. Are you saying main route service is being covered by buses? |
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SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 13 12:23:12 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 12 13:02:10 2019. Some has, but also there has been a massive amount of construction going on for several years in that area that is going to continue for a least a few more years that would make it impossible to have trolleys running on the old route for any time to come in the near future (the next round is likely the old Family Court building on 11-12th on Chestnut that is about to be torn down, replaced probably by another skyscraper, plus you have another building there that is in the process of being converted to apartments).It would be at least 2-3 years before they can even consider going back to trolleys there, and by then much of the rail, paved over or not would likely have to be replaced before they could bring it back as trolley anyway. Even if you do bring it back as a trolley line, you would need to keep the current split of the 23 and 45 in tact with MAYBE a handful of special straight runs of the 23 to the Sports Complex before and from there after games. You also likely would have to add track southbound past Bigler on 10th (the old 23 trolley terminal) that would extend to the Sports Complex, likely with a stop at Citizens Back Park inside the Sports Complex (which would likely be the end/starting point for any game day straight runs of the 23 as well as the 45) before turning west through the Sports Complex to Xfinity Live and then to Broad Street, with the 45 terminal moved probably to Broad around that point (from Broad and Oregon where the 45 bus currently terminates). This likely would also have to include where 23 trolleys could turn for a terminal as Locust (where the 23 bus currently turns) likely would not work and you certainly could not have 23 trolleys ending and starting at 11th and Market like the 23 bus currently does. Most likely, you would have to have the 23 end at 11th and Filbert and have the transfer spots between the 23 and 45 be at Noble (where a 45 trolley would still terminate as does the bus now as it always had a short-turn track there), Vine, Race and Arch before the 23 turned at Filbert to its terminal (with Filbert, Arch and Race going north the transfer spots between the 45 and 23 in that direction). A ton of work would have to be done to get the 23/45 back to trolley and it would be at least a few years because of construction in Center City. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 13 15:05:08 2019, in response to SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 13 12:23:12 2019. You are wasting your breath on this. The 23 is never coming back as a trolley. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Aug 13 17:29:28 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 13 15:05:08 2019. That was my point. Right now, you can't even consider it due to all the construction going on with more to come. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 13 18:32:37 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 12 18:11:58 2019. Right now, the whole route is bustituted. The Eastern portion to Westmoreland has been bustituted for quite some time now. There is a 15- Front/Girard bus running in place of the trolley.Looking for trolleys to return on the 15 west of the casino right after Labor Day. |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 13 20:08:37 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 13 18:32:37 2019. Why after Labor Day? |
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Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 13 20:22:11 2019, in response to Re: Septa says trolley will return to the Route 15, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 13 20:08:37 2019. They were supposed to be back July 28, but the I-95 construction ran late, forcing continued bustitution. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 15 11:14:09 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Aug 13 15:05:08 2019. SEPTA became expert at "temporarily" suspending trolley lines. The first I recall was the 47 due to construction at Reading Terminal. The tracks were maintained; only the wire was removed in the immediate vicinity.The rest is history. I can't think of a single line (since 6 - Willow Grove was truncated) that was "honestly" simply abandoned rather suspended. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 15 17:11:20 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 15 11:14:09 2019. A lot of the reason why Route 6 was suspended above City Line had to do with the Fort Washington Expressway and something about a school? |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 16 07:15:22 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Aug 15 17:11:20 2019. So that's why Route 6 is so short. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Aug 16 07:53:59 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 16 07:15:22 2019. Yes, exactly. The ridership in that city section requires articulated buses. It goes through my old neighborhood, West Oak Lane, I grew up at 1611 E. Tulpehocken St. |
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Re: SEPTA Route 23/45 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Aug 17 07:43:52 2019, in response to Re: SEPTA Route 23/45, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Aug 16 07:53:59 2019. Some information about Route 6 |
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