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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 12:00:40 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 15 11:54:44 2019.

The closed taxi ramp goes north-south. You could extend it 100 miles and it would never reach 9th Avenue.




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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 15 12:18:15 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 12:00:40 2019.

If you also extend Ninth Avenue, they would intersect after about 3,418 miles.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by AlM on Wed May 15 12:26:49 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 15 12:18:15 2019.

Heh.

Actually, I believe the avenues are perfectly parallel to the extent 19th century surveying techniques allowed. And anyway, they don't run north-south. They run about 29 degrees east of north.

If you look at a US Geological Survey map of a rural area out west, where all the township and section lines are laid out, you see occasional breaks in the nice pattern of straight lines and 90 degree angles. Those are where they have to make adjustments for the curvature of the earth.



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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 15 12:44:29 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 12:26:49 2019.

I know about that, But figuring out where they would intersect other than at the north pole is too confusing for me.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 15 13:24:30 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 13 13:51:23 2019.

Basically,you nailed it.
New entry..connectors to the old Penn station...new concourse all coming together nicely.
Amtrak is a tepid agency.
We'll have to wait and see.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 14:13:12 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 13 13:51:23 2019.

What I'm asking is what is the planned use of the space railroad-wise.

Nothing.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 14:15:43 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 15 07:04:14 2019.

More money and more waste.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 14:17:53 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 15 07:00:08 2019.

Schrödinger has nothing to do with this. Except for the fact that this stupid project is both alive and dead at the same time.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 15 15:59:00 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 06:25:18 2019.

At Empire State plaza in Albany, they have exactly that. A large unbendable steel arm and a flimsy arm have to go up before the buses and official vehicles can enter the bus terminal in the center of the plaza. Our local access-a-ride equivalents could go in as well.

A taxi stand need only a height restricting bar (so nothing taller than a minivan) and that same steel arm, and a plate reader that OKs anything with TLC plates.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 16:30:44 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by R30A on Tue May 14 00:51:07 2019.

Interesting, and here I was thinking they were just being lazy that day I took Acela 2 weeks ago.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 16:40:12 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:42:35 2019.

Not if they allow boarding from the existing concourse as well. It's just that Amtrak "customer service facilities" would be moved to the other side of 8th, but as long as they don't restrict boarding to just Moynihan, then it will actually be an improvement.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 18:43:32 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 16:40:12 2019.

What do you think they're going to do?

Also, maintenance of the new concourse is not free. Guess what will rise to pay for it?

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 02:58:46 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 15 16:40:12 2019.

We all know Amtrak loves Kindergarten lines in NYPS and all over the country with 1 way in, part of their motivation to go to Moynihan so they can do it without impeding NJT commuters, does not advertise boarding at alternate locations now, so don't expect anything different in the future.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 16 03:46:45 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by AlM on Wed May 15 12:26:49 2019.

LION thunked dat da taxi ramp ran east and west on 33rd. Maybe LION is incoreect, but him remembers tha dad of him going down the ramp and was sure we was walking toward ninth. Maybe that was a different ramp. Maybe that is where the pax went when the cabs dropped them off.

OK LION would build a NEW TAXCI ramp along 33rd street, perhaps elevated, perrhaps on ground level. Elevated would keep taxi traffic away from moving traffic.

RROAR

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 16 03:50:56 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 14:15:43 2019.

Money is always a problem, unless the plan arises from the Democrat side of the house.

OK, I have another idea: FI. Let the chips fall where they may and let peeps drag their luggage to the consorse that they want.

After all, at the gnu moaningham station, they will have to go up before they can go down cause they are not going to remove the monumental steps or facade of the old poseroffice.

ROAR

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 16 05:40:39 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 16 03:50:56 2019.

After all, at the gnu moaningham station, they will have to go up before they can go down cause they are not going to remove the monumental steps or facade of the old poseroffice.

A nice conjecture, but a false one.

As part of phase 1, they have already added a street level entrance at 31st and 7th, which currently only allows access to a simple new concourse with no facilities on the west side of 8th Ave.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu May 16 05:47:06 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon May 13 13:51:23 2019.

In 2016, the state Economic Development Corporation, the MTA, and Amtrak issued a Joint Solicitation for the Development of the Empire Station Complex, which included both the Farley Building/Moynihan Train Hall request for proposals and the Penn Station request for expressions of interest/request for qualifications. The former is what is now under construction to create the Moynihan Train Hall and the office space at the Ninth Avenue end of Farley. The latter would create a plan to redevelop both levels of the existing Penn Station to create more space, light, and access including the since announced project between the MTA and Vornado to widen add additional street access to the 33rd Street corridor of the Long Island Rail Road level as well as other possible changes to access such as rebuilding the corner entrances on Eighth Avenue and/or creating a grand entrance on Eighth where the Theater at MSG is currently. I attended a couple of Penn Station-related events last year, the Jane's Walk tour of the completed parts in Farley last May and a Rebuild Penn Station event last October. At one--and I don't recall which; it could have been at both, the question of what would become of the Amtrak space in Penn once Moynihan Train Hall opened was raised and the response was that no plans had been developed yet. And, I don't know what came of the RFEI/RFQ, but I believe that there would years of planning ahead including an EIS.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 16 06:26:20 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu May 16 05:47:06 2019.

the question of what would become of the Amtrak space in Penn once Moynihan Train Hall opened was raised and the response was that no plans had been developed yet.

Aha. Of course, any plan that shuts down any of the stairways or escalators would be stupid in the extreme. One of Penn's biggest problems is time required to get from platform to street level.



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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 16 21:02:05 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Thu May 16 05:47:06 2019.

The intentions were pretty much outlined this evening on the 11 o'clock news about whats going to be done with Penn Station.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 17 04:01:35 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 16 21:02:05 2019.

LINK?

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 17 18:04:49 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 02:58:46 2019.

I am aware, just saying how it would be made better.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri May 17 18:05:03 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 15 18:43:32 2019.

It had to be done. NYP is too packed out

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat May 18 18:21:51 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 16 21:02:05 2019.

I think that's just the beginning of it, the new LIRR entrance for 33rd and 7th that will go with the widened 33rd Street corridor that will take 20 feet from Vornado's retail spaces on the level. The RFEI/RFQ could lead to a much more massage project beyond this or possibly taking the Theater at MSG space and making a "grand entrance." I think the person who answered the question at the event I attended said they weren't limiting the ideas on what could be done. I just wish Vornado had waited on the 2 Penn Plaza redesign. The show Seventh Avenue side should be rethought and possibly opened up to provide "grand entrances" there to both levels of the station.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 18 19:42:13 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat May 18 18:21:51 2019.

The RFEI/RFQ could lead to a much more massage project

Not even gonna ask.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 11:19:21 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat May 18 18:21:51 2019.

Yes.
I liked what they Want to do with it,but you know none of this is going to be finished in 20 years.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun May 19 12:52:58 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 11:19:21 2019.

Of course not, why wastra good boondoggle-graft hole that quickly.

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Re: Plans for Moynihan?

Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sun May 19 21:34:24 2019, in response to Re: Plans for Moynihan?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 18 19:42:13 2019.

"massive" (careless use of spellcheck)

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