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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 10 20:35:29 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Jsun21 on Thu Jan 10 20:27:24 2019. Saving 100 seconds a day is real.Again, maybe the fix is too expensive. But it's nonsense to say that passengers aren't paying a price. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 10 22:54:05 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Jsun21 on Thu Jan 10 17:05:40 2019. Right. Back in the day, I had a few jobs that signed in at CCYD, prepared the train, came into 205, changed ends, and went straight thru to Brighton Beach, sometimes on the train I bought in and sometimes on another train in accordance on how well the service was coming up north.When I worked the midnight tour, on Sundays as soon as I got into Bedford Park around 6:30 AM I had to get right back up to 205 and bring a train straight thru to Stillwell. A switchman bought me a train from CCYD. I had no break at all at Bed Pk. Used the tiny toilet at 205. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 00:18:41 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 16:36:46 2019. The neighborhood is called Norwood and recently the MTA has started adding neighborhood names to the destination signs in boroughs other than Queens. Actually, it’s possible that the station at 205 St was originally intended to be called “Perry Ave” since that it where the entrance to the N/E of the station is and the model board in the 205 St Tower referred to the interlocking as “Perry Ave Interlocking." |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 00:48:41 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 10 16:54:07 2019. Prior to the construction of the crew room at Dyre, crews changed at E180 St in both directions. In the AM it was practice to change crews N/B so that S/B trips could continue without a crew change. In the PM crews changed S/B so that passengers on mainline trains wouldn’t have to wait for a N/B crew change at E180. The changeover from N/B to S/B was done sometime during the midday and a few trips actually changed crew in both directions during the transition. The Far Rock A trains also changed crews at Euclid similarly not because there was no crew room at Far Rock but because there was no full time supervision there. With the A train operating all night to Far Rock, a full time supervisor was placed there and now the crews can report and be relieved there. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 01:20:28 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jan 10 22:54:05 2019. If I recall, when I was a M/M due to a large number of R-1/9s being on the D there was no hold at Bedford at all since Me-23 brake valves did not have to BIE in order for the brake handle to be removed. As more SMEEs were placed in service, it was decided to add the 1 min hold at Bedford since that is how long it takes for a SMEE to charge after a BIE to remove the handle. When I last checked when I was working over 20 years ago, all Ds had the S/B hold at Bed Pk in the timetable whether they changed crews or not. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 11 04:33:44 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 01:20:28 2019. Actually, the brake handle on R1/9 (without throwing the air brake into emergency) COULD be removed. M/M just had to apply the brakes for a bit, then move the handle up until the (I believe) the red needle went down enough, then move the handle to the lap position (I think) where the notch was and remove it.The next M/M could insert his handle and push it forward toward the RELEASE position to release the brakes. Train was heavy enough so that it didn't move until power was applied. I saw this done more than once at 179th St or at 71st/Continental so that the entire charge up procedure didn't have to be done, saving time. I don't know if they put out a directive to stop doing it, but I saw it done enough times as young person. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Jan 11 09:05:06 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jan 10 14:22:39 2019. Right.RUFF! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 11 13:45:55 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 00:18:41 2019. Why do you say "other than Queens"? The neighborhoods are mentioned in Queens as well. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 19:08:25 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 11 13:45:55 2019. That was my point. The neighborhoods in Queens were always mentioned but the destinations outside Queens didn't get them till recently. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 11 19:14:39 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 19:08:25 2019. Ah, ok. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 19:22:03 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 11 04:33:44 2019. That was exactly the point I was making that the brake handle could be removed without a BIE. At one point, SOP on the IND was that at terminals, the M/M would just make a 20 lb reduction and remove the handle which was also in the instructions for changing ends in the WABCO instruction manuals. What I did notice is that the other transit companies in NY as well as the commuter RRs applied BIE when changing ends. It was always in the NYCT operating instructions to test the deadman's device on a train before departing the terminal although I never saw it done on either the IRT or BMT but only the IND. By the time I became a M/M in 1968, the procedure was changed and the M/M were required to place the BIE upon arrival at the terminal by using the deadman’s button as a test to insure it was working. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jan 11 20:25:40 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 19:22:03 2019. Randyo, I reread the initial post on this. You were right. I missed the word "not" in the first sentence. So much for speed reading. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 12 11:11:12 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 11 19:08:25 2019. Queens was always know by its neighborhoods, not so da Bronix or Brooklyn.Even Brooklyn more so than da Bronix... da Bronix has always been noting more than "Manhattan across the Harlem"> ROARING |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 12:10:40 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 12 11:11:12 2019. Queens was always know by its neighborhoods, not so da Bronix or Brooklyn.Partly false. When I was in college 50 years ago some people said Bronx and some mentioned a neighborhood. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 12 16:14:27 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 12 11:11:12 2019. Wrong. While the postal address is "Bronx," residents spoke of living in Morris Park, Parkchester, Belmont, Country Club, Riverdale, Kingsbridge, etc. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Jan 12 16:21:22 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 12 16:14:27 2019. there is also fordham, bedford park blvd where i used to live, woodlawn heights where i live now, soundview, riverdale, belmont.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 19:11:24 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by chud1 on Sat Jan 12 16:21:22 2019. And I knew a guy who said he lived in Pelham, and he didn't mean in Westchester County.There's also Wakefield. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 12 21:23:04 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 19:11:24 2019. Woodlawn, Mott Haven, Hunts Point, Throggs Neck, and on. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 14 13:48:11 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 16:36:46 2019. Dean would have a problem with that. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 16:56:40 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 12:10:40 2019. However, unlike Queens and even parts of Bkln, the reference to neighborhood names was pretty much secondary to the borough name. |
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Posted by numbersix on Mon Jan 14 20:04:55 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 9 16:36:46 2019. Norwood Ave. (J) |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 15 08:58:00 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 12 16:14:27 2019. University Heights, Morris Heights, Pelham Parkway (a neighborhood as well as a road)... But Bronx neighborhoods do tend to be less clearly defined than those in Queens or Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 09:19:21 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 16:56:40 2019. Depends on the individual. Some people I knew only referred to their neighborhoods and never to living in the Bronx. Others, not. But yes, in Queens there was greater identification with the neighborhood. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Jan 15 10:19:31 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 09:19:21 2019. Especially in mailing addresses.Note: Brooklyn, NY (and Bronx, NY) and ZIP code were all that were needed when mailing. In Queens, they use the neighborhood in mailing addresses, not just a general "Queens, NY". Instead, it's "Flushing, NY" or "Long Island City, NY" |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 15 11:07:39 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 15 08:58:00 2019. Brooklyn used to be a city in its own right, but of course it does have neighborhoods.Queens was never as city in its own right, It was a county that had both cities and villages within it. In New York State cities are incorporated and have a city government -- Villages otoh are not incorporated. They may have a post office, but they do not have government. They rely on the township or Count for its governance. So Queens was a county that extended to the Suffolk County Line, and when it came to be annexed into NYC, the towns of Hempstead, North Hempstead and Oyster Bay oppted out and became Nassau County. So queens always had city and village names within it. Da Bronix on the otter hand was part of Westchester that NYC bought (?) from them. It too should have had village names, but it was mostly farm land at that time. I presume that the transfer of the Broncks was much earlier than the annexation of Queens, thus the Manhattan street numbering system continued up into the Bronix. Now as for Norwood, that was a plot between the IND and Kimberley Clark to sell more adult diapers. ROAR |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 11:58:29 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Tue Jan 15 10:19:31 2019. There's a reason for that in Queens. Those post office names were based on the independent cities that existed in Queens before the merger with NYC. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 13:46:26 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 11:58:29 2019. So then why is Staten Island a single postal city? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 13:57:54 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 15 11:07:39 2019. Villages ARE incorporated.Stop spouting off on things you know nothing about. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 14:04:19 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 13:57:54 2019. Every bit of NY land (except maybe Indian Reservations) is part of a city, town, or village, right?Long ago I lived in the city of Renton, WA, but a block away was a portion of King County that was not part of any lower level municipal entity than the county. As a semi-aside, when there was a ruckus in the car dealership next door, I called 911 and got connected to the King County Sheriff's office, who had no jurisdiction whatsoever in Renton. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Jan 15 15:08:38 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 14:04:19 2019. I live in Rockland County in the Town of Clarkstown. I pay taxes to Rockland County and the Town Of Clarkstown.That being said my postal address is Nanuet, so I say I live in Nanuet. But Nanuet is nothing more than a post office. There is no legal Nanuet. I am sure this situation exists in many places. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 15:13:06 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 13:46:26 2019. Good question. I'm not from there. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 15 15:46:36 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 13:57:54 2019. Hmm.,.. You seems to be correct.Merrick is not a "village" but rather is a "Hamlet" which is not defined under NYS organization, but is unincorporated. So what is the difference between a city and village. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 15:49:46 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 11:58:29 2019. Brooklyn didn’t annex the other towns in Kings County until 1894-96. So how is it that the four year difference made Brooklyn a unified postal city and Queens not? I don’t know the answer. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 15:55:16 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 15:49:46 2019. How about this answer: the Post Office has frequently acted in an arbitrary and capricious manner in assigning postal districts and names, without any kind of uniform rules. Postal district borders often differ from municipal borders. Names can differ too.* Therefore it is likely that two separate people or committees just made two separate decisions without any regard to uniformity of practice.* I knew a guy who lived in Marlboro, NJ, but if you sent him mail without a zip it got returned. He was in Morganville PO, and the Marlboro PO refused to send his mail over to Morganville. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 16:07:35 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 15:55:16 2019. Postal boundaries don't necessarily match political boundaries. On Long Island, the titular seat of Nassau County is "Mineola." Every single one of the county buildings is actually in the Village of Garden City, not one of them are in the Village of Mineola. But they all have addresses in "Mineola, NY 11501." |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 19:52:06 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 15 15:46:36 2019. Cities have more governmental powers - basically they can do anything except what's left for the state. Villages rely on their parent towns and counties for many functions. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 19:58:22 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Bzuck on Tue Jan 15 15:08:38 2019. And then of course there are school districts, which again can have different boundaries. I think Pearl River is a school district and a post office within the Town of Orangetown, maybe? |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Jan 15 21:01:16 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 10 20:35:29 2019. Again, subject to correction, allow me to make two points:1) In the 1880's or so, the U. S. Post Office went on a campaign to eliminate two post offices having the same name in the same state. Wantagh, Long Island, had been called Ridgewood, but it had to yield to Ridgewood, Queens. 2) New York County had a single postmaster, and his jurisdiction included The Bronx until about 1955. The branches were mere stations. Likewise, Brooklyn had one postmaster for most of the 20th century. However, Queens County had included what was Nassau, and there were separate postmasters for Long Island City, Jamaica, Flushing, and many others. As others have pointed out, post office boundaries do not follow political boundaries. When an undesirable zip code affects insurance rates, people complain, and sometimes the USPS changes the boundaries of a zip code. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Jan 15 21:04:48 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 19:58:22 2019. Correct |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 21:19:44 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 19:52:06 2019. So what does a town do within a village? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 21:31:30 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Joe on Tue Jan 15 21:01:16 2019. What about the Borough of Richmond/Staten Island? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 15 23:33:22 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 14:04:19 2019. Towns are subdivisions of counties. They certainly contain villages within them, not sure if they can contain cities, if all land is either in a city or town (but not both), or if there is land that is in neither a city or a town. Cities and villages are incorporated municipalities, but there definitely are also unincorporated areas (unlike in New Jersey). Hamlets are named settlements generally smaller than incorporated villages, and are not considered to be incorporated. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 16 04:21:37 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 21:19:44 2019. Just guessing that most villages would not have their own snowplows but would rely on the town for that service. Maybe also road maintenance. A small village might also not have its own police force - it would rely on the county police but it might also rely on the town police if the town had police.My sense upstate is that villages mostly form to provide added services that the town doesn't offer. Maybe garbage collection in the central business district. This is just all my impression from reading an upstate small town newspaper for years, not from carefully paying attention to the details. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 09:49:11 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 15 19:58:22 2019. Longwood School District (on LI, in the Town of Brookhaven) encompasses 52 square miles, and basically covers the north part of Yaphank (for the elementary school, Charles E. Walters), Middle Island and West Middle Island, Coram and Ridge. Students from other surrounding areas (such as Medford and Shirley) may be bussed to the schools in that district. (Guess it depends on who the parents are paying property/school taxes to)I worked there for a year as a IT tech. Don't really miss it much. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 09:54:06 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 21:19:44 2019. The township is at a higher municipal power than a village.Federal > State > County (if not in NYC) > Township > Village/Hamlet/"City" (if not NYC) I.E.: The Town of Huntington has its own "public safety" force, their own buildings department, highway department, etc. They can levy ordinances and codes (which are enforced by T.O.H. Code Enforcement). The Incorporated Village of Northport has its own "police force" but all other rules and codes and regulations fall under T.O.H. jurisdiction, and road repair, etc., are done by the Town if the road involved isn't a State or County road (again, a jurisdiction issue) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 16 09:59:15 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 09:54:06 2019. Does NY ever have cities within towns?I thought hamlet has no governmental meaning (though it may be a PO or a census designated place). |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 09:59:43 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 15 16:07:35 2019. Yeah, that's a weird example, but an accurate one. I can't understand how LI can have so many ZIP codes too (all ranging from around 11001 towards 119xx)Long Island's ZIP Codes, by county |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 10:06:11 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 16 09:59:15 2019. A hamlet, in NYS, is usually a CDP.I may have been mistaken in that respect...perfect example: Long Beach, NY 11561 It would be within the Township of Hempstead, but when you look at , where Long Beach is, is white vs. red (outside of the township's jurisdiction) because the city has autonomy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 16 10:31:52 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 10:06:11 2019. Long Beach is a city and not part of the Town of Hempstead.The only city that shares its jurisdiction with a town as if it were a village is the City of Sherrill, in the Town of Vernon, Oneida County. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 16 10:35:38 2019, in response to Re: Why weren't crew facilities added at Norwood?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Jan 16 09:54:06 2019. I assume that the public safety department is entirely town code enforcement, as Huntington is within the (not countywide) jurisdiction of the Suffolk County Police Department. |
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