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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 18 13:19:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by randyo on Mon Dec 17 16:11:41 2018. They probably have as much layup space now as on the el between 168th and 160th Street on the middle track. I think 2 or 3 8-car consists. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 18 13:44:15 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 17 21:13:49 2018. Beige shows dirt too much. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 18 14:39:12 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 18 13:19:09 2018. Do they still use the center tra k at 111th? |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 18 14:40:07 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 18 13:44:15 2018. The great doesn't age well either. The rust shows more with the green, especially when the green gets that bleached faded look. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 18 14:40:17 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 18 13:44:15 2018. The green doesn't age well either. The rust shows more with the green, especially when the green gets that bleached faded look. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 18 14:40:59 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 21:28:21 2018. Yes. I think almost all the els are now |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 18 16:55:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Dec 18 14:39:12 2018. Yes. They generally only like to keep SMEE trains there though. Now that they are down to 2 R32 and 3 or 4 R42 train sets, who knows. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 18 20:25:39 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 17 21:11:32 2018. Basically,all lines within the Eastern Division shared rolling stock.The exception being the Original R40s stayed on the M and L lines,with Very few running in J/Z service. However..the J did use mostly All of the R40m cars. The 143 cars changed the dynamic...and and this continued with the 160/179s. The new 211s 4 car sets will be Eastern Division cars used by the M and L routes eventually. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 20:35:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 18 20:25:39 2018. 4 car R179's are new to the J line.There will be no 4 car sets of R211's and they will not be used in the Eastern Division. Not needed. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 20:41:53 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 17 10:27:28 2018. The train operator gives you his permission to repost the picture without his face blacked out. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 18 20:51:04 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 18 16:55:48 2018. What about Crescent Street? |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 21:03:20 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 18 20:51:04 2018. No layups. They keep it open in case trains have to be turned at Crescent St. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Dec 18 21:06:07 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 17 10:27:28 2018. I was somewhere in that first car. My first trip into new terminal was with R46 P-Wire and on the J with R40M 4452 after GOH. I can still imagine that stupid spiral stairway from T/D upper to lower booth and the spare hostler laying on the E line bulletin board desktops. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 18 22:57:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 20:35:26 2018. You are mistaken.Option 2 clearly states there will be 4 car set of R211s. I read the report myself converning the procurement. Clearly,these cars will be used on the L line. They may not be needed now...but AFTER the tunnel work is done. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Dec 19 00:42:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 18 10:58:55 2018. interesting about the Farmers Boulevard area - now that will always mean more to me than just an exit sign on the Belt! thanks for the history! |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:53:17 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 17 21:34:40 2018. Interesting how that structure was rebuilt with (albeit modified) service maintained. They also claim that the new construction is how it avoided a complete meltdown during the fire underneath it a few years ago (somebody had an accident while re-fueling a portable generator).. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:58:08 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 17 21:13:49 2018. I think the eastern end of the Jamaica el was left unpainted from 1965 (or so) on, as they knew it was coming down. Because I can remember seeing the extant portion of that line with the beige color in the 1970s and 1980s.Similarly, when there was still talk of keeping the Third Avenue El north of Fordham, they repainted it from there to Gun Hill Rd, in 1970. We all know how that worked out... |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 19 10:03:18 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 17 10:27:28 2018. Great photos, but couldn't they have chosen a better T/O to operate the first (J) Train? :) |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 10:13:06 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 17 21:34:40 2018. Actually, the entire Broadway el, the Myrtle between Broadway and wyckoff, and the rebuilt portion of the Fulton el, were all rebuilt in place and stations moved and rebuilt, all while service continued to run...and with 1910s technology |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 10:14:41 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:58:08 2018. Yes, the Jamaica west of 121st had to beige color, at least by the late 70s and 80s. Not the Eastern part, which remained green |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 11:41:09 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:53:17 2018. "Interesting how that structure was rebuilt with (albeit modified) service maintained"It was done in slices,one track at a time west to east. The schedule was modified so service could be maintained with 3 tracks. Problems started when a train would crap out, then you'd have to go with 2 tracks. As for a complete meltdown if the fire started under the old structure, one can only speculate how it would hold up. Depending on who you talk to, the old viaduct would have held up just fine. It was simple in construction. basically steel, ballast and rail. The new viaduct has a lot of reinforced concrete for a roadbed complete with all that re-bar contained within. Engineer speculation here (not me)...if the fire was any hotter, the re-bar might have warped due to the heat. If that happened, the concrete would crack & disaster could have been quite likely. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Wed Dec 19 13:20:51 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 11:41:09 2018. There have been occasional examples of highway bridge concrete rebar melting above heat of a burning oil tanker, requiring the bridge to be taken out of service for repair (or demolition and reconstruction).I know of several examples where the burning oil tanker was on top of a rebar-and-concrete bridge, and there was zero structural damage to the bridge. It seems to be one of those rare cases that we just live with in most cases of civil highway construction. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 16:27:52 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 19 10:03:18 2018. Great photos, but couldn't they have chosen a better T/O to operate the first (J) Train? :)??????????? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 19 17:06:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 16:27:52 2018. Bill from Maspeth was the T/O |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:07:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 18 09:13:52 2018. There were quite a few R-40s, 40Ms and 42s that were cleaned up and kept graffiti free prior to GOH. The same was true of the few R-30s that were only painted red but not GOHed. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:12:24 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 18 07:53:06 2018. That’s what it looked like to me from the plans I saw. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:27:12 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:58:08 2018. What would be the sense in keeping the 3rd Av only N/O Fordham? There is really nothing to transfer to as there is (was) at 149 St. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:35:26 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 20:41:53 2018. Since the train was in a public area where there is no expectation of privacy, no permission is needed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 19:06:18 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 18 09:13:52 2018. Almost all of them went through a basic cleanup phase beginning in late 1986 where the grafitti was removed, the doors were painted blue inside and out and temporary white on black signage installed (these were the first signs on the J to have the proper 121st St terminal to display).
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 19:11:09 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 19 07:58:08 2018. Yes, the mid 70's paintjob ended at the exact point where the Archer Ave connection was going to be. As a kid I knew I was in Jamaica when the color changed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 19:13:35 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:27:12 2018. It was capable of handling the steel cars better than the section below. It could later be connected to a proposed replacement subway at a later date. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 19:14:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 19 17:06:13 2018. Bill from Maspeth was the T/OI didn't know that. Just being cautious. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 19:16:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 18 20:41:53 2018. The train operator gives you his permission to repost the picture without his face blacked out.Bill, please send me an e-mail. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 19:49:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:07:10 2018. "The same was true of the few R-30s that were only painted red but not GOHed"Like these: 
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 19:59:09 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 19:11:09 2018. That's the mid 70s paintjob that made the m train el beige too. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 20:00:42 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 19:49:50 2018. I remember the first time.e I saw one of them 9n the m. I remember saying, "it will never last". That was the mentality of graffiti doom back then. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 20:03:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 19:06:18 2018. I remember that clean up. I lived the blue doors. It looked so classy next to that orange we were used too. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 19 20:14:22 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 19:14:53 2018. That's why I mentioned in a previous post that the t/o would have no problem if "his" face was shown. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 19 20:15:35 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 16:27:52 2018. Either he's not a fan of me or he's yanking my chain! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 19 20:16:46 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 19:49:50 2018. Pictured are GOH cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 19 20:21:41 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 19 19:16:10 2018. Done. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 20:27:27 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 19:59:09 2018. Shown here is a pic from 1955 with the El crossing the Van Wyck. It shows it in beige/tan. My guess is it got one more green paint job and that would be it with the paintbrushes.
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Dec 19 20:44:49 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 20:27:27 2018. Very cool. |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 19 20:46:40 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 19 20:27:27 2018. never seen that photo before.Love it. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Dec 19 21:27:39 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 19 20:15:35 2018. The latter |
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Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 20 08:25:48 2018, in response to Re: Question: Re: [PHOTOS] Archer Ave. Subway Connection Construction (Jamaica el), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 19 20:46:40 2018. It does look familiar  |
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[UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 20 10:37:37 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Dec 17 10:27:28 2018. SubChat's own BillFromMaspeth was the motorman of the first (J) train into the Archer Ave. subway. here's proff !  
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Re: [UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Dec 20 13:52:19 2018, in response to [UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 20 10:37:37 2018. Thanks, that our Bill! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 20 13:54:05 2018, in response to [UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 20 10:37:37 2018. Nice pics. Wishing BFM many happy healthy years in retirement. |
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Re: [UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Dec 20 14:14:56 2018, in response to [UPDATED PHOTOS] Archer Ave - First (J) Train In, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 20 10:37:37 2018. is his left arm dislocated? |
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