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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 23 22:57:41 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 23 20:35:23 2018. Strangely...I was thinking the same thing! |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:57:45 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 22:07:36 2018. Well, back on the day, it might have been but given current population increases, electrification to Riverhead may soon be a necessity. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 23:02:16 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:57:45 2018. Poor Port Jeff suffers again.If they electrify to Greenport, they might just extend to Orient Point and dig a tunnel to Connecticut. That'd give Amtrak an alternate route to Boston out of NYP. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 23:26:53 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 23 20:35:23 2018. Being push-pulled by what? LIRR doesn't have electric engines for them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 23:27:43 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by sloth on Sun Sep 23 21:26:57 2018. Ah, so this is really going to open more than a year behind schedule. |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 24 05:06:44 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 13:08:07 2018. Back then if someone got hurt, they sent the widow a ham and moved on with the job. Olog and other right wingers would like to go back to those days. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 07:37:44 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 23 22:57:41 2018. Diesel fleet car shortage is a different matter entirely, has nothing to do with half hour service to Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 07:38:33 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:33:54 2018. Eventually. But MN has backed out of replacing the M-3A's for the next few years. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 07:40:12 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 23 20:27:33 2018. Wrong. What do they do with all the rush hour crews ? There's no split shifts on the LIRR. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 07:41:19 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:38:30 2018. They can do it just fine without the M-9's. They can park the M-3's off peak. There aren't that many of them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 08:30:32 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by sloth on Sun Sep 23 21:26:57 2018. I think this may be an operating budget issue, not an equipment issue. There is a cost to adding trains, which increases the deficit.Just as Andrew and the MTA are getting rid of 50 TA Station agents, they could have similarly told LIRR not to add any service, even service that was "temporarily" cut a year ago, given that he wants the 2019 fare increase minimized. No doubt, the MTA will also quietly prune bus service too. The Q22 is a canary in the coal mine. MARC cars never showed up this year either, even though Amtrak and NJT were done with them by early July. Canceling an Oyster Bay and Port Jeff rush hour train on Fridays preceding 3 day weekends to make Montauk service saves money. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 24 10:05:20 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 16:44:57 2018. Well, I had no idea this double tracking was even under way until I took the Ronkonkoma line to the city a couple months ago, and saw all the work at Wyandanch. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 11:54:26 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 07:37:44 2018. I was thinking not in terms of "diesel fleet shortage" but of extra equiptment, being it electric or push-pull, to provide the new service to Ronkonkoma in the event of an electric car shortage. Its not that unusual to have push-pull trains work in electric territory. Its also not unusual to have a new fleet of cars having a few "de-bugging" issues that could delay the entire fleet from being pressed into service.I was around when the M-1s were introduced in the late 60s. They had enough break-in problems and shop inexperience issues that kept the long overdue scrapping of many of the MP 54s in service. The MP-54s were dying left & right , which resulted in daily cancellations of trains that sometimes resulted in the annulments of up to two dozen trains daily. Such was the bad old days. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 12:00:58 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 11:54:26 2018. The are not going to run DM trains rather than MU's. They have a tight schedule to keep. This is not NJT.MP54's only started dying left and right (and their age varied by 20 years, and some were rebuilt in 1955, others not) ) when Ronan forced deferred maintenance and ordered rare spare parts to be discarded. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 12:02:03 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 11:54:26 2018. They are not going to run DM trains rather than MU's. They have a tight schedule to keep. This is not NJT.MP54's only started dying left and right (and their age varied by 20 years, and some were rebuilt in 1955, others not) ) when Ronan forced deferred maintenance and ordered rare spare parts to be discarded. |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 16:15:48 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 12:02:03 2018. "They are not going to run DM trains rather than MU's"What makes you so sure? I don't know about NJT but at Metro-North it was done (when I was there) quite often. At MN, the fleet mgt office used to put out a"turn sheet" which showed what inbound train "turned" for the outbound & vice versa, On that sheet was the # of cars called for in the consist, the type of equiptment (M with appropriate # for electric, PP for push-pull or CD for the Shoreliner cars with center doors). On several trains in electric territory, being it 3d rail or under wire, a PP or CD was the called for equiptment as per the "turn sheet". "They have a tight schedule to keep." LIRR schedules, like every other transit agency schedule in the country, are padded. If a DM was to run in place of an MU & there were no complications, it would arrive within the 5 minute tardiness threshold, in other words, according to the schedule, "on time" |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 16:44:14 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 16:15:48 2018. It won't happen. Forget it. LIRR is not Metro North. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 21:23:49 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 24 16:44:14 2018. I know. Just look at the difference in on time performance. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 25 13:09:26 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Sep 24 11:54:26 2018. MARC cars will require the use of DE/DM's which LIRR barely has sufficient numbers available to cover daily service needs with the bi-levels. |
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