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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by South FERRY on Thu Sep 20 19:26:50 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Tue Sep 4 16:29:47 2018. Second trip. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Sep 21 01:46:58 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 19 19:27:09 2018. And there is one short stretch of the original platform left, on the western end inbound, according to the book too. Don't remember whether or not it was detached from the renovated platform and used for non revenue purposes - I though that's what I remember but I;m not certain. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 21 02:23:44 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Q4 on Thu Sep 20 09:39:00 2018. That is true. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 21 02:29:49 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 20 18:46:22 2018. Finley was bleeding money as the A's were never drawing well, even when they won their Championships from 1972-'74 (none of those teams came close to getting 1,000,000 in a season). He had the same problems in KC before that (why the A's went to Oakland in the first place in 1968) and it led to the A's being sold to I believe the still-current owners in 1980. That resulted in the infamous April 1979 game where only 547 fans showed up (all-time Division Era low and second only to the 413 fans who were at Yankee Stadium on Sept. 22, 1966 for a White Sox-Yankees game where Red Barber defied orders and ordered the cameras show the empty stands).Grant wrecked the Mets to where they didn't recover until Doubleday and the Wilpons took over. He wasn't forced to do what he did the way Finley was. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 21 06:58:07 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Express Rider on Fri Sep 21 01:46:58 2018. I haven't read that book, but just from my personal observation, it looks to me like the original bit is at the eastern end of the westbound platform... |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 21 07:04:20 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 19 11:01:28 2018. But the World's Fair was on the south side of Roosevelt, whereas Shea was and Citi Field is on the north side. There is, as I'm sure we all know, a big ramp that runs southbound, and is fully connected to the mezzanine, providing access to all 3 platforms.So I'd think any structures that specifically direct passengers to the north side would have been built with Shea in mind. I remember the ramp, or, perhaps, pedestrian bridge that was there in the old days (pre-2009). I haven't had a good look to see if it still exists or was replaced when the new stadium opened. Personally, not being much of a sports fan, I can say that I miss all those 1964 lampposts that were in Shea's parking lot right to the end. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Sep 21 08:39:41 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Sep 20 18:46:22 2018. Not comparing. Just mentioning that Kuhn used the "Best Interest in Baseball Clause" a few times and provided that as an example. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Sep 21 09:37:27 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 21 06:58:07 2018. Thanks for the info. Previous post was "IIRC" from the book. I've ridden through Willets, but never stopped to check it out. I'll have to look around next time I ride out there. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 21 11:05:12 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by Express Rider on Fri Sep 21 01:46:58 2018. And there is one short stretch of the original platform left, on the western end inbound, according to the book too. Don't remember whether or not it was detached from the renovated platform and used for non revenue purposes - I though that's what I remember but I;m not certain. Express Rider: The original station had three tracks and two outside platforms. The entrance was located on Willets Point Boulevard. The coming of the 1939 World’s Fair lead to construction of what is essentially a new station constructed to the west of the old one. This is the station that is in use today. What remains of the old station is this. The mezzanine at Willets Point Boulevard is still intact and visible from the street. All the stairways have been removed. About 200 feet (+/-) of the original Manhattan-bound platform remains. It is connected to the current Manhattan bound platform at its east end but is separated by a gate. A much shorter section of the original Flushing bound platform was retained as a service platform. It was located east of the current Flushing bound platform but not connected to it. I do not know if it is still there. |
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Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958). |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 21 16:42:17 2018, in response to Re: The Polo Grounds Shuttle Closes 60 Years Ago (8/31/1958)., posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 21 11:05:12 2018. Since you mentioned the short section of the eastbound (RR northbound) platform I recall seeing it prior to the 1964 World’s Fair, but if my memory serves me correctly it was removed by the time of the fair or shortly thereafter. |
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Re: OT: Baseball |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 21 19:42:35 2018, in response to OT: Baseball, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 21 02:29:49 2018. Grant didn't care that the Mets were the laughingstock of the league as long as they made a profit. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 22 18:33:36 2018, in response to OT: Baseball, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 21 02:29:49 2018. Forced the way Finley was?They were in the ALCS the year before he tried selling guys away. Finley was a stubborn as that mule he used as a mascot. He didn't want to get into competition with other clubs vying for free agents. I know all about their poor attendance but Finley was a genuine cheapskate. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 23 10:42:46 2018, in response to Re: OT: Baseball, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Sep 22 18:33:36 2018. Finley was a cheapskate but he simply didn't have the money to compete, especially once free agency started. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Sep 23 18:39:12 2018, in response to Re: OT: Baseball, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Sep 23 10:42:46 2018. I don't know how much he had in his bank account but he also knew those guys weren't going to sign with him anyway. |
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