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Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 28 17:45:25 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 16:30:43 2018. Very carefully.:) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 28 18:09:51 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 16:30:43 2018. It could be a removable bridge similar to Track 4 of the 42st shuttle. |
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Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon May 28 21:53:48 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:44:20 2018. Yep...I believe that. |
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Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon May 28 21:55:16 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sun May 27 18:44:40 2018. Yeah, I get that... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon May 28 21:57:46 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018. That would be retarded -a word which I wouldn't use to describe children with special needs- agency management- definitely often appropriate. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 22:11:00 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 28 18:09:51 2018. True, but if it’s as complicated to move as the one on the shuttle, it wouldn't be much good in an emergency if there were a blockage on 6 Ave, or if Js had to be shortlined there in the event of a blockage at Fulton or Broad. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 28 22:14:55 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018. Where does it say that? |
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Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!? |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon May 28 22:52:37 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sun May 27 17:53:09 2018. It was restored in 2003 as part of the restoration of service following 9-11. It was extended westward to connect with the tunnels going to and from Grove St via a Y type connection, allowing Exchange Place to be used as a temporary terminal for trains from Newark and Hoboken. It's still used occasionally for GO's as a long double crossover allowing single tracking in the area. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 29 06:49:26 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 28 14:59:27 2018. I know it's near the old "Collect Pond". Think that thing could still be there, percolating underground? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 29 08:37:08 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 28 14:59:27 2018. Elkeeper: Chambers Street station and the Municipal Building where built in part over the remains of the south branch of Collect Pond. The building contractor described the soil as soft peat. It was necessary to sink the foundations for the Municipal Building down to 130 feet to find bedrock. This may be a contributing factor to the dank and damp atmosphere at Chambers Street. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue May 29 09:25:07 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018. That is not the case. They are just building a staircase above the closed island platform with other stairs that lead down to either platform, because the current stairs will be replaced with elevators. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 29 14:34:41 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by VictorM on Mon May 28 22:52:37 2018. That’s good. Unfortunately, the same will not be able to be done at Chambers St in the event the platforms are extended. About the only thing the track could be used for in that case is possible laying up a work train. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 29 14:35:55 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 29 06:49:26 2018. I was going to mention the same thing. It’s possible that Collect Pond was not able to be completely drained and there may even be an underground spring in the area. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 29 14:37:32 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by R30A on Mon May 28 22:14:55 2018. It doesn’t say that in so many words but how else could a pedestrian bridge over the tracks be built? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue May 29 15:39:03 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Tue May 29 14:35:55 2018. I read a few articles about Collect Pond, but saw nothing about its water sources drying up. If water from there is oozing into Chambers St, that will make waterproofing that station a lot more difficult! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 30 07:34:34 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Elkeeper on Tue May 29 15:39:03 2018. That was my point. As Jeff Goldblum explained in Jurassic Park (yes, obviously that was fiction), nature's a hard thing to kill.I believe that the parking lot on Centre Street adjacent to the courthouses is atop of it. I'm sure it was bigger than that, and it's probably still oozing and seeping. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 11:20:22 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Tue May 29 14:35:55 2018. The pond was obviously not drained. It's sources and discharge were culverted and the pond was filled in. That water is obviously still there, underground.Canal Street's namesake is still under there. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 11:27:52 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 11:20:22 2018. That water is obviously still there, underground.??? 200 years ago, water would have trickled into the pond from surface runoff, and/or seeped into it underground. Now that all surface water in lower Manhattan flows into the storm sewer system, it is not at all clear to me that any underground pool of water would still exist. The Chambers Street Station leaks may just be due to deterioration of waterproofing layers above rather than any seepage from a remaining underground pool. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed May 30 12:07:08 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 30 07:34:34 2018. So, as I said before, waterproofing Chambers St will be more difficult than the new South Ferry station, after Sandy. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 30 15:02:11 2018, in response to Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018. A pedestrian bridge across the tracks inside the station? That is unprecedented. Maybe they will refurbish the abandoned side platform to get this done? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed May 30 15:31:43 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Mitch45 on Wed May 30 15:02:11 2018. A pedestrian bridge across the tracks inside the station? That is unprecedented.??? There is exactly that over the connection between the 42nd street Shuttle and the northbound 1. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed May 30 15:33:28 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 15:31:43 2018. There is exactly that over the connection between the 42nd street Shuttle and the northbound 1. Brooklyn Bridge and 14th Street have them as well. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 30 17:55:36 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by AlM on Wed May 30 15:31:43 2018. Is there enough clearance in the station to run a pedestrian bridge over the relay tracks, yet clear the tunnel ceiling ? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 21:00:14 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed May 30 15:33:28 2018. Not what we were talking about. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 21:01:09 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Wed May 30 17:55:36 2018. Have you ever been to Chambers Street? There’s probably room for a whole extra track level. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 31 00:48:41 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 21:00:14 2018. I don't actually know what the press release is talking about when they say "pedestrian bridge." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 31 06:12:29 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Wed May 30 17:55:36 2018. Is there enough clearance in the station to run a pedestrian bridge over the relay tracks, yet clear the tunnel ceiling ?Chambers St was built to Triborough Subway standards which had higher ceilings than the Dual Contracts specs. Another possibility is that they intend to eliminate the relay tracks. Note this open ended statement in the announcement: "parts of the mezzanine and existing station facilities will need to be removed or reconfigured." |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:33 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by AlM on Thu May 31 00:48:41 2018. They are just building a staircase to an intermediate level above the closed island platform with other stairs that lead down to either platform (going at least one train height above the relay tracks, hence a "bridge") because the current stairs will be replaced with elevators. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:37 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 31 06:12:29 2018. They are just building a staircase to an intermediate level above the closed island platform with other stairs that lead down to either platform (going at least one train height above the relay tracks, hence a "bridge") because the current stairs will be replaced with elevators. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 31 06:42:30 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 21:01:09 2018. I go there about once a year. Forgot the details. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 31 06:52:41 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:33 2018. If that is so, I wonder if they will have a closed off staircase or ladder down to that abandoned platform in the middle. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 31 07:41:05 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:33 2018. Actually that "elevator" is being made by the Electric Boat Company of Groton, CT.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 31 07:42:47 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:37 2018. LION has not been there for a wild. Him will have to look at the piktures over at Dave's site.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 31 08:41:01 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by MTA T on Thu May 31 06:25:37 2018. OK, that is actually more like Union Square than like Times Square. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu May 31 14:19:53 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 27 15:32:01 2018. Right ... there was concern about fire exits.--Mark |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 31 14:33:20 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by AlM on Thu May 31 00:48:41 2018. The proper term for what is being built should probably be “pedestrian overpass." |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 31 14:54:24 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu May 31 06:12:29 2018. As I alluded to in another post, should the MTA during the reconstruction, choose to lengthen the station to accommodate 600 ft trains, the relay tk would be of little use since the bumping block is right at the east (north) wall of the IRT west side subway preventing it from being extended to hold longer trains. |
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