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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018 I don't have a timetable from the late 80's, but 1974 will do  Starting out at the northern terminus of Norristown. Not all CTA 6000's received the SEPTA repaint, but retained their "windy city" colors. (October 6, 1988)  In SEPTA paint at King Manor (September 27, 1989)  First station south of Norristown, Bridgeport. Now the line is doubled tracked to 69th St.(October 6, 1988)  Watch that gap at Gulph Mills. (October 6, 1988)  Bryn Mawr station. (August 8, 1991)  Unknown location. This is probably out on the line near Conshohocken Rd. (June 4, 1990)  I think this is Gulph Mills looking toward Norristown. (September 1990)  Back where we started from, Norristown. (October 8, 1988)  |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 24 16:23:56 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. Sad to say I was not able to get to Philadelphia during the time those cars ran on the Norristown.My loss. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu May 24 16:51:59 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. very nice photos |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu May 24 17:05:46 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. I rode them when I worked in Radnor. I was surprised that they were in crappier condition than the Strafford cars since they were a couple decades newer. Subsequently a Chicagoan told me that they were removed from the to-be-scrapped line and sent to SEPTA. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 24 18:23:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by chuchubob on Thu May 24 17:05:46 2018. Those were the early 6000s with the straight doors. They were built with all-new components while the ones whose doors matched the rest of the side contour were built from recycled Green Hornet parts. |
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Posted by aaron on Thu May 24 20:00:22 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. Additionally, the headlights were below the Motorman's cab and the "Foamer" window. The destination sign was where the headlight is in the pictures. The modification was done by CTA in the early 1960s, I believe, pre SEPTA.The pair that CTA recently took back from Fox River has the original configuration... |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 20:12:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by aaron on Thu May 24 20:00:22 2018. The pair that CTA recently took back from Fox River has the original configuration...Tell us about Fox River. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 24 20:28:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 24 18:23:51 2018. details like these, I like'em.... nice. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu May 24 20:30:58 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. Like others' comments - excellent, historic photos!!I did not know about this arrangement - CTA cars going to SEPTA, anyone recommend a website with further info (no, I haven't checked nycsubway.org yet - viewing this post for the first time) about this arrangement, or an in-print/ on-line article? Thanks! |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 24 21:53:18 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. Neat! I had no idea CTA cars ran on the P&W. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 24 21:57:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 20:12:59 2018. That's the Fox River Trolley Museum. Back in 2001 when I visited IRM with Chicagomotorman, chuchubob, and someone else whose name I've forgotten, we also visited Fox River. Not nearly as much equipment as IRM but they had some neat pieces. By now I'm sure they have much more. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 25 00:38:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Dave on Thu May 24 21:57:19 2018. and, in my experience a much mellower place. If you go to both, skip the food at IRM. There is a diner a couple blocks from Fox iver which has decent gyros and A+ baklava. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri May 25 01:14:06 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Dave on Thu May 24 21:53:18 2018. Along with Almond Joys from the MFSE line. Quite a bit of excitement then. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 05:34:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 24 16:23:56 2018. I rode them, it was neat. Strange equipment for the NHSL, which has seen a variance of cars. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 07:31:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Express Rider on Thu May 24 20:30:58 2018. I did not know about this arrangement - CTA cars going to SEPTA...... Thank you. Then are you aware of this arrangement ? "Almond Joys" cars on the P&W. Not only CTA cars, but single unit "Almond Joys" were sent to the P&W IIRC because of failing Straffords and Bullet cars. 
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 08:33:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 07:31:53 2018. The neat thing about the Almond Joys was it was a two-man car, only the center door opened, and the conductor had a fare box strapped to a center pole. Also, the familiar whooping take off sound the Almond Joys had on the MFSE,did not happen on the single car NHSL cars.Also, IRC, they were very slow accelerating. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 10:32:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 07:31:53 2018. Bill: Seven two car sets of CTA 6000 series cars were placed in service on the Norristown beginning sometime in the late 1980's (date needed). They were joined by five Market- Frankford cars in 1990. The ex-CTA cars were numbered 476-489. The Market-Frankford cars although retroactively referred to as M-3's actually belong to PTC Class A-49. This meant that they were double ended single units. The car numbers were 601, 602, 605, 609 and 619. 601 was named "Columbia" and 605 was named "Enterprise". They remained in service until 1994 when enough n-5's had arrived to cover the service. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 12:10:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 10:32:31 2018. Thank you Larry, RedbirdR33.. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 25 13:37:52 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 25 13:49:58 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 25 00:38:00 2018. Thanks! If I make it back to Chicago this summer I'll try to visit Fox River. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 25 14:15:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 07:31:53 2018. Thank you for posting the Almond Joy photos. I rode them during a three day weekend family trip to Phildelphia in 1966 or 67.As I'd asked, are there any articles, web sites, or book chapters anyone can recommend for further info? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:21:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Express Rider on Fri May 25 14:15:09 2018. As I'd asked, are there any articles, web sites, or book chapters anyone can recommend for further info?Did you try www.nycsubway.org ? Other than that, I'm not aware of any. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 25 15:25:05 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by aaron on Thu May 24 20:00:22 2018. From what I have seen of photos of the original 6000s, there was a second group of the pre Green Hornet cars that came from the factory with the headlight above the end door. The originals are easy to spot since the headlight assembly is built into the front bulkhead rather than being added on as is the case with the converted ones. Also for some strange reason, the Green Hornets also had the “added on” headlight assemblies even though the cars acme factory equipped that way. The pair at Fox River is the 6101/6102 unit which was running in regular passenger service as late as 1989 and which I had the good fortune to operate when I was there that year thanks to the kindness of a CTA supt who shall remain nameless. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 25 15:29:30 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 08:33:19 2018. The Spamcans were also 2 man cars and a “C/R” (probably either a light duty or extra M/M) used a fare box similarly attached. SEPTA actually wanted some of the CTA singles which were set up for OPTO for use on Skokie Swift, but the CTA was unwilling to give them up. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri May 25 15:35:52 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by r17-6599 on Fri May 25 01:14:06 2018. I had heard that at some point, the bullets had to be removed and replaced by the remaining Straffords due to the anticlimbers on the Spamcans not lining up properly with those on the bullets. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 15:46:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Dave on Thu May 24 21:53:18 2018. (1) set of CTA cars still sits behind the NHSL shops at 69th St. Look for the white topped cars in the image. Image |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:46:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 10:32:31 2018. Seven two car sets of CTA 6000 series cars were placed in service on the Norristown beginning sometime in the late 1980's (date needed).The oldest slides I have were dated 1988. Don't know if they arrived on the scene in 1987 or earlier. Do you know what the original car numbers for the SEPTA / CTA 6000's ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:54:01 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 25 13:37:52 2018. Polk St (September 20, 1976) 
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 16:16:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:54:01 2018. Excellent photo! |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri May 25 16:23:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:46:50 2018. My job moved away from Radnor in November, 1987. I took this photo on October 20. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri May 25 16:25:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:21:08 2018. Thanks for your post.I have not tried nycsubway.org yet but I will. I wrote my first postafter seeing your post with photos for the first time and figured that was one place I would try. If I find any other info. on CTA stock, ALmond Joys, etc. operating on the P&W I will post the info. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 16:33:12 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by chuchubob on Fri May 25 16:23:19 2018. Great photo! Thanks! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 25 17:20:37 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri May 25 13:37:52 2018. Did you ever operate those on the CTA? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:34:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 24 18:23:51 2018. That is one hell of a platform/train gap there, despite the wide threshold plates. I wonder if our "B" Division equipment would have fit there ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:53:31 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 07:31:53 2018. I believe the M-F cars can standard-gauged by getting transplanted trucks from PATH "K" cars. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 18:30:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:53:31 2018. I heard that, too. That's probably the reason the trains didn't have that MFL "whoop" when they pulled away from the station. That's wild how they ran them as single cars, I'll bet rush hour they were packed!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:40:36 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:46:50 2018. Do you know what the original car numbers for the SEPTA / CTA 6000's ? Bill: Here’s the original CTA numbers followed by the SEPTA numbers. Thanks to poster Chicagopcclcar on the Chicago Transit Forums web-site. 6069-70 / 476-77 6175-76 / 478-79 6078-79 / 480-81 6089-90 / 482-83 6139-40 / 484-45 6151-52 / 486-87 6161-62 / 488-89 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:50:23 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Express Rider on Thu May 24 20:30:58 2018. Chicago Transit Forums /chitransit.org Trains, Trolleys & Transit (Railpace/1998) by Mr. Gerry Williams picture on page 36 Red Arrow Lines in Color (Morning Sun Books/2014) by Mr. Douglas E. Peters text and pictures pages 116-128 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:52:50 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:53:31 2018. I believe the M-F cars can standard-gauged by getting transplanted trucks from PATH "K" cars. That is exactly what happened. They rode a little high on the Class K trucks but they were quite zippy. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 19:26:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:40:36 2018. Thanks LarryBill Newkirk |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri May 25 19:43:10 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:40:36 2018. Thanks for the credit. Tomorrow, I'll check to see if these all the numbers. There was a second shipment of cars.David Harrison |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:30:17 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:40:36 2018. That sounds right. 6200 and up were built from recycled Green Hornet streetcar parts. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 20:59:47 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Fri May 25 19:43:10 2018. David: I always like to credit the person who did the original research. I don't think that more then seven sets ran in service. There may have been an eighth set that was used for spare parts but I cannot be sure. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by aaron on Fri May 25 21:01:51 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:30:17 2018. 6201 and up... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 25 21:37:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 15:54:01 2018. yes! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 25 21:44:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by randyo on Fri May 25 15:29:30 2018. The single unit cars set up for OPTO were originally used in off hour service to Evanston before the Skokie line existed. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:43:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:50:23 2018. Thank you!! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 17:01:01 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] CTA "Spam Cans" On the P & W, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 24 15:55:02 2018. Those are great pics. The structure in the first pic reminds me of the pre-subway els in NYC (although the supports look sturdier) |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon May 28 00:05:15 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri May 25 18:40:36 2018. I found my listing of CTA cars going to Philly. My list has four additional cars that were on a second order. Plus there's an error....car 6178 couldn't be mated to 6179. Even numbers should be the highest.6069-6070 6079-6080 6089-6090 6109-6110 6115-6116 6139-6140 6151-6152 6161-6162 6175-6176 David Harrison |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 00:38:23 2018, in response to Re: CORRECTION CTA ''Spam Cans'' On the P & W, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon May 28 00:05:15 2018. It’s interesting about the CTA numbering system since on the NYCTA, the even number is the lowest |
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