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Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018 Tuscarora Almanac – February 22, 1915 – The Book of First Runs Queens, New York Brooklyn Rapid Transit Corporation The new elevated structure on the Myrtle Avenue Line between Wycloff Avenue and Fresh Pond Road is placed in service. This replaces the former surface right-of-way which remains intact under the el. Source: New York Division Bulletin /February 2005, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - February 22, 1985 - The Book of First Runs New York City Transit Authority IND Division The first train of overhauled R-10's is placed in service on the "CC" train from Bedford Park Boulevard to Rockaway Park. The consist was (s) 3176, 3011, 2961, 3003, 3021, 2960, 3107 and 3047. The cars are painted Pullman Green with silver roofs. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1985 Tuscarora Almanac – February 22, 2004 – The Book of First Runs New York City Transit Authority BMT Division Service is finally restored to all four tracks on the Manhattan Bridge for the first time in nearly a decade. “B” and “D” trains will use the tracks on the north side while “N” and “Q” trains will use the tracks on the south side. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 22 14:14:40 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018. As an irony and in full circle of sorts, R-10 car #2961 was also in the consist of the last known and recorded regularly scheduled run of the fleet itself (all green-painted units) on Friday, September 8, 1989.n/3209-3157-2961-3159-3181-3169-3008-3168/s Thus, #2961 lasted four years extending its life in regular service (instead of the planned five) as an overhauled car. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["ex-1814"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 15:13:52 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 22 14:14:40 2018. William: I always liked the "Pullman Green" paint scheme on the R-10's. It gave them a classy look. It didn't go so well with the R-33 though. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 22 16:28:16 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018. First day of service with the D officially operating on the West End Line To Coney Island.Vader |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 22 18:18:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Feb 22 14:14:40 2018. I remember riding an all green GG local from Woodhaven Blvd to Northern Blvd back in the late 80s. They looked great.But knowing that they were on borrowed time, retrofitting them with A/C probably wasn't even considered. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 22 19:46:52 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 15:13:52 2018. I was always partial to the racing stripe scheme. A pity it lasted only two years. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 22 19:47:27 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018. And the bridge is still standing!:) |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Feb 23 00:00:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Feb 22 18:18:09 2018. But they were retrofitted with PA systems, which were awkward to use. The conductor, after closing the doors, came back into the car, then went into the cab to make the announcement, then went back between cars to open the doors at the next stop. So the announcements could only be made while the train was moving between stops. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Feb 23 01:29:57 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018. I will never forget how fast the R10s were when they were first GOH'd. The interiors were brighter and the riding quality was smooth (for an R10).By 1987 they still had the brightness and some of the speed but those horrible flat wheels made them unbearable. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 23 01:50:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Feb 22 19:46:52 2018. I liked that scheme myself and was looking forward to seeing it on the rest of the SMEE fleet including the cars that eventually became the redbirds. Even the modified 2 tone turquoise and cream would have been nice. I remember one day when I was a trainmaster meeting David Gunn and asking him whey he had the R-10s painted green. He replied it was because it was their original color. I had the courage to remind him that it wasn’t their original color and that the original color was 2 tone grey with red-orange stripes. He merely responded that since it was the original color of the R-1/9s it was still appropriate. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Feb 23 13:43:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Feb 23 01:29:57 2018. When the green GOH R10's started operating on the GG, the running neighborhood joke was that the MTA replaced the old eight sided wheels with new and improved ten sided wheels. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Feb 23 16:26:19 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 23 01:50:46 2018. It's funny he said that because that's exactly what the Green R10s reminded me of-R1/9s, although by the time I came along the R1/9s looked brown. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 21:33:15 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by gbs on Fri Feb 23 00:00:55 2018. IINM the R-10s were fitted with mikes above one of the trigger boxes. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 21:38:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 23 01:50:46 2018. "I don't think so, Tim." |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 09:18:22 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Feb 23 01:29:57 2018. They were pretty fast on the CPW dash. Rode 'em many times on the Abbott, the line they will forever be synonymous with. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 11:47:51 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Feb 23 13:43:11 2018. It did not help matters with the GOH R-10's when they had the composition brake shoes put on them, instead of keeping their original cast iron ones, plus how they were braking to slow down or stop. The MDBF was no better either, averaging about 3000 miles per breakdown (as I seem to recall reading).-William A. Padron ["Lot 3159"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 11:50:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 21:33:15 2018. No, the R-10's PA mikes and box were inside the motorman's (T/O) operating cab. Only R-4 #484 and #744 had the mikes about the trigger boxes. The R-10's PA systems were put in circa 1974.-William A. Padron ("a.c.f.") |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:18:30 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 15:13:52 2018. I had no problem with the green paint scheme on the R-10's overall, along with their updated roll signs. It did give a much brighter look inside, with the fluorescent lights now going full blast as being that bright.Their NYAB rotary screw compressor was unusual to hear at first, not their original WABCO A-1 one that I loved listening to. The flat wheels and braking were basically their downfall, with them getting the composition shoes put in instead keeping their cast iron ones. And now, the full list of R-10's that given the "treatment" December 1984-February 1986: 2951, 2955, 2956, 2957, 2958, 2959, 2960, 2961, 2962, 2966, 2967(*), 2968, 2969, 2971, 2973, 2974, 3001, 3003, 3005(*), 3008, 3011, 3013, 3016, 3018, 3021, 3022, 3023, 3025, 3026, 3027, 3029, 3030, 3031, 3033, 3035(*), 3036, 3037, 3038, 3040(*), 3043, 3044, 3045, 3047, 3048, 3101, 3107, 3110, 3114, 3116(*), 3117, 3118, 3121, 3123, 3125, 3126, 3128, 3130, 3133, 3136, 3137, 3138, 3139, 3141, 3142, 3143, 3144, 3145, 3146, 3149, 3150(*), 3153, 3154, 3157, 3158, 3159, 3161, 3164(*), 3166, 3168, 3169, 3170, 3173, 3176, 3177, 3181, 3182, 3184, 3185, 3186, 3187, 3191, 3193, 3194, 3197, 3198, 3199, 3201(*), 3203, 3204, 3205(*), 3206, 3208(*), 3209, 3212, 3215, 3216, 3219, 3220, 3221 and 3224. (*) = Car that had its side number plates lowered from the top of the roofline a few inches down. Cars 3037 and 3169 were the last R-10's as observed to come out of being overhauled from the 207th Street Shop. Car #3184 is the museum car taken from that group. The W.H. R-10's that NYC Transit did not choose to be in this overhaul program were: 2965, 3009, 3010, 3039, 3046, 3152, 3188, 3190, 3210 and 3223. 3189 (now a museum car stored at 207th Street Yard) had already been taken out of service earlier, and became the RCI Yard Office/School Car at Pitkin Yard. -William A. Padron ("a.c.f.") |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:19:40 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:18:30 2018. The WABCO A-1 was 3YC.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 24 12:20:37 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:18:30 2018. the green was garbage,the looked like troop trains,why not paint them an attractive color that is pleasing to the eye? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 12:29:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:19:40 2018. William: wasn't there a problem with the original cast steel trucks developing cracks? I understand that all the trucks were replaced. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:51:56 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 12:29:09 2018. Yeah, the original trucks were getting problems in the cracks, and they had those rubber inserts that supposed have given the R-10's a much quieter ride.Obviously, that did not work, plus there was this one incident back in February 1949 on an "A" train run that them with uneven braking valve problems were not consistent and reliable. So, the R-10's were sidelined but temporarily, and that meant with some discussion between the B.O.T. and A.C.F. at the factory for a solution. So, the answer was that they changed the trucks with the very noisy, heavier ones that would be more familiar with them through most of their service life. The replacement ones were labeled with an "R" each after their number. -William A. Padron ["42"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:55:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 24 12:20:37 2018. The green paint scheme may have not been the right choice of color, perhaps the red as the other choice, which would have been applied to the IRT SMEEs. That was the decision by the Kiley/Gunn TA administration back then, so there you go...-William A. Padron ["207th"] |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 24 13:06:52 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:55:11 2018. YEAH I KNOW.WHY NOT ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT COLOUR WE WANT. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 13:12:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:51:56 2018. Thank you. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 13:15:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 11:50:47 2018. I remember hearing announcements on the R-10s, but wasn't sure where the mikes were. 484 still has its mikes. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 13:15:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 24 13:06:52 2018. YEAH I KNOW.WHY NOT ASK THE PUBLIC WHAT COLOUR WE WANT. Well we had no trouble accepting the Redbird II pain scheme. Mr. Gunn at first referred to it as a "Silver Fox" paint scheme. You can't fool New Yorkers though. Right from the get go railfans and non-railfans alike recognized them as "Redbirds". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:16:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Feb 24 13:06:52 2018. I agree with you, Brother! That puke green destroyed the 2 tone original paint jobs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 13:17:35 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:51:56 2018. Hence the making of a Thunderbird.:) |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 13:18:24 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:16:41 2018. The racing stripe scheme was the best. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Feb 24 14:01:21 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Lord Vader on Thu Feb 22 16:28:16 2018. Likewise, the switch of the B to 18/5 service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Feb 24 14:10:24 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 13:18:24 2018. iawtp |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 24 14:54:29 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:18:30 2018. The rotary screw compressor did not do well at NYCT. The R68's were delivered with these and were soon replaced. How well did the green R10's do with them?Perhaps they were victims of poor NYCT maintenance. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 24 15:00:04 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 13:15:41 2018. IDK how you heard those announcements, as loud as the R10's were, even the green ones. The PA's were installed in the entire fleet, before the green ones were picked. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 24 15:02:38 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 11:50:47 2018. Ah, 744. That was the other R4 with the bullet lighting? That car was supposed to be saved with 484 but got away. I rode 744 once on the GG. I knew it was a 700, forgot the last 2 digits. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 24 16:00:13 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 11:50:47 2018. The R-11s also had mikes above the trigger boxes like 484 and 744. When 484 and 744 were retrofitted, they were supposed to be kept together at the C/R operating position of the trains they were on so PA operation could be tested, but I never saw them operating that way probably because by the time I started riding the system, the B of T opted for in cab door operation and the new cars would eventually have PA mikes in the cars. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 24 16:02:47 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 21:38:05 2018. ??????? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 24 16:48:01 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:51:56 2018. I remember the first time I rode an R-10 when I was a bout 4 or 5 and even though I was young and unfamiliar with IND rolling stock, I do remember that the r-010s seemed to have a bit of a rattle to them that the older cars didn’t have. I was told that when the SMEE brake system was first introduced on the R-10s, they did not have an electric emergency feature, so that if a C/R emergency cord was pulled, towards the rear of the train, the brake pipe pressure would fall there first often causing a pull apart. WABCO went back to the drawing board and developed the emergency magnet valves that were used on all SMEE equipment ever since. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 20:28:36 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 24 16:48:01 2018. The smartest decision ever made was to assign the R-10s to the Abbott. They were tailor-made for that line. My one regret is never having ridden them on the Fulton St. express run. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 24 20:33:17 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Feb 24 12:18:30 2018. Were there any W.H. R10s retired before the overhaul program? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:15:33 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 20:28:36 2018. I rode them on the Fulton exp but unfortunately, the time I was a M/M, the As ran lcl in Bkln so I didn’t have a chance to operate them there. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 25 19:45:48 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Feb 22 12:02:07 2018. Hi Larry...Thanks for the Almanac, as always. I hate to give you, or anyone a hard time- but I must respectfully point out an error in the 2004 entry. In fact, it was not the first time that service was operated on all 4 Manny B tracks "in nearly a decade". The last time there was full bridge service was in the autumn of 1990... when the TA talked a reluctant NYC DOT into allowing it...then, a structural element ton the bridge shifted, and the H tracks were closed until 2001...But when the H tracks reopened- the IND (B chain, I think...) closed until 2/22/04. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Feb 25 21:23:09 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 22, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Feb 25 19:45:48 2018. Main: I should have said in more than a decade. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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