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Fasttrack question: success or failure? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 12:52:21 2017 Several years ago the MTA started Fasttrack which caused major weekend delays due to rerouting and partial route shutdowns. The purpose of the program was to accelerate needed repairs to reduce delays in the long term.Yet delays other than those caused by fastrack itself seem to be accelerating and are continually getting worse. Also, no one knows how much of the work is correctly done the first time and not repeated a short time later. So the question is would you consider fasttrack a success or failure? Would the delays we are currently experiencing even be worse had the MTA not undertaken fasttrack in the first place? |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Oct 13 12:59:35 2017, in response to Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 12:52:21 2017. I thought "Fastrack" was the weeknight shutdown of entire section of lines to clean the tracks6th Ave shutdown this weekend isn't about cleaning. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Fri Oct 13 13:52:19 2017, in response to Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 12:52:21 2017. Fasttrack is mostly about cleaning and station maintenance, not system maintenance.The goal is to do it sooner and for less money. In that regard, it has been successful. A decent part of disruptions over the last almost 5 years has been because of Sandy. There are certainly other problems that are getting worse, but Sandy aftermath cannot be ignored. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 13 13:58:36 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by LA Scott on Fri Oct 13 13:52:19 2017. The fail project to take trash cans off station platforms didn't help. It just undid years of customer training to use trash cans - now people aren't bothering to find a bin even where there are some, and just chucking it on the tracks. It's the 70s all over again. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Oct 13 17:08:55 2017, in response to Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 12:52:21 2017. Since you seem to not know what Fastrack is (or how it's spelt), this discussion seems to be pointless. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 13 18:17:28 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by The Silence on Fri Oct 13 17:08:55 2017. or how it's speltHeh. Fastrack is also Ireland's old rail parcel express, under CIE and Irish Rail; discontinued 2009. Here's a billboard at Dublin's Heuston Station in 1985, next to a Leyland Atlantean bus with a CIE-built body (built at Inchicore Works) from the 1960s (these ran into the 1990s). The locomotive depicted on the billboard is an EMD JT22CW built at the LaGrange IL facility in 1976; the prime mover is a 12-645E3C with 2475 horsepower, later derated to 2250 horses.  |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 18:50:56 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Oct 13 12:59:35 2017. Cleaning the tracks wasn't it's only purpose. It was to combine multiple tasks to be done at the same time to get them done quicker. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 18:56:15 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by LA Scott on Fri Oct 13 13:52:19 2017. I thought it was to reduce the the amount if time the system was to be shut down. So you could combine tasks from different departments into a single closure.Why would they need to close the system just for cleaning? The vacuum train comes through to clean the tracks? And they don't need to close a station to clean it. Why wouldn't system maintenance be included? |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Oct 13 22:13:16 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 18:56:15 2017. Because there are only two Vactraks at the moment, they can only go less than 4 MPH while in operation and they are old and worn out. |
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Posted by Russellsal on Sat Oct 14 11:51:49 2017, in response to Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 13 12:52:21 2017. What surprises me most about fast track is how short it is: 10pm to 5am. Between setting up in the evening and breaking down in the morning, that's barely any time to get any real work done. Since in most cases it's only for one week out of the year, they should really try something more aggressive, say 7pm to 7am (or at least 8pm to 6am). I think passengers would be more understanding if they could see that real work would get done with longer shutdowns, a la the rip-the-bandage off approach. Too often it seems the MTA goes the risk averse route to not upset it's passengers, to the detriment of maintenance tasks that need to get done. It ought to be something that's pursued. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Oct 14 12:07:19 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by Russellsal on Sat Oct 14 11:51:49 2017. Since in most cases it's only for one week out of the yearTwo weeks, not one. |
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Posted by Russellsal on Sat Oct 14 12:40:43 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Oct 14 12:07:19 2017. Fair point.I think at the end of the day, it's going to be difficult politically. But it may be worth pursuing. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Oct 14 14:45:22 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by LA Scott on Fri Oct 13 13:52:19 2017. Not so sure about that, they always tout how much track, signals and 3rd rails were repaired/replaced |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 14 15:20:14 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by Russellsal on Sat Oct 14 12:40:43 2017. Starting and finishing such a major service change too close to the shoulder periods of either rush hour would not be practicable at all since it would interfere with many people coming from and/or going to work. In fact even the 10PM start is too early if yo factor in the number of people who like to go out late dining or attending theater or other arts activities which often end past 10PM or even as late as 11PM. There was a time when all GOs ran from 1201AM to 500AM (extended to 600AM on Sat mornings and there was no work at all done overnight on Sat or Sun nights. The mistake that the MTA is making is trying to undo 60 years of neglect in then space of 2 or 3 years and it’s not possible. NY always had the reputation of being a 24/7/365 city that never sleeps but with what has been gong on in recent years it is becoming no better that many backwater cities where the sidewalks are rolled up after 600PM and they become virtual ghost towns. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:02:24 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Oct 14 14:45:22 2017. Yeah, look at any of the followup reports they post on mta.info. It's clearly not just cleaning. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:04:23 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 14 15:20:14 2017. Not sure how your last sentence follows from the rest of your post, and besides, it's not true. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Oct 14 22:20:41 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by The Silence on Fri Oct 13 22:13:16 2017. So doesn't it make sense to buy more instead closing entire lines? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:32:09 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Oct 14 22:04:23 2017. It may not be as true as I indicated, but with corporations looking to relocate to cities with a lower cost of living than NY, NYC will eventually lose its attractiveness along with its uniqueness. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Oct 15 18:40:30 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Oct 14 22:20:41 2017. No. It does not make sense because they're not just going to appear out of nowhere and they cost more.There are three new ones on order. But they were ordered I want to say like 2 years ago and they haven't arrived yet. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 15 20:43:28 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by The Silence on Sun Oct 15 18:40:30 2017. I did not know they have been waiting two years for more to arrive. I was only asking a question and there is no need for that attitude of yours saying "it does not make sense". I was in no way indicating they could appear out of nowhere.So (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason for Fastrack is because we don't have enough vacuum trains and that when they arrive and put into service it will no longer be necessary to have so many closures and reroutings. If that is the case, it certainly was not what the public was led to believe. We were told it would accelerate repairs to the system by doing them for efficiently combining several tasks from several departments into one closure instead of having separate closures. Nothing was ever said about it being necessary just to clean tracks and stations. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 16 00:22:27 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 15 16:32:09 2017. I've been around long enough to remember when corporations were fleeing NYC in the 70s and 80s. Doom was regularly forecast. Yet new businesses came in and flourished, and doom was postponed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 16 13:51:13 2017, in response to Re: Fasttrack question: success or failure?, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 16 00:22:27 2017. Doom has always been predicted throughout history all over the world. Yet we are still here.New businesses came because the subways turned around in the 80s but now we are once headed down the same path of destruction. |
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