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Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by northshore on Tue Jun 27 14:24:03 2017

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Did Governor Cuomo attend the ribbon cutting ceremony of the grand reopening of South Ferry Station?

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jun 27 15:00:39 2017, in response to Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by northshore on Tue Jun 27 14:24:03 2017.

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Yes, he was there taking all the credit for the reopening, meanwhile taking none of the blame for the derailment happening at the same time.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Tue Jun 27 20:29:09 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by checkthedoorlight on Tue Jun 27 15:00:39 2017.

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Doesn't matter - all the news is about the derailment.

The reopening of SF is merely a footnote (probably won't have more than a mention in tomorrows newspapers),

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by heypaul on Tue Jun 27 21:10:14 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Tue Jun 27 20:29:09 2017.

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Still a Few Rough Spots

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 27 21:46:29 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by heypaul on Tue Jun 27 21:10:14 2017.

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Just a few.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jun 27 22:22:23 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 27 21:46:29 2017.

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That'll buff out easily.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017, in response to Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by northshore on Tue Jun 27 14:24:03 2017.

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Does this mean the old SF station is going to be closed again?

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 12:01:51 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by heypaul on Tue Jun 27 21:10:14 2017.

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Thanks for posting this.

The images of the station flooded all the way to street level are astounding.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 12:01:51 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by heypaul on Tue Jun 27 21:10:14 2017.

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Thanks for posting this.

The images of the station flooded all the way to street level are astounding.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 28 12:27:52 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017.

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Yeah! It was boarded up with plywood when I went there yesterday afternoon [6/27], but the lights were still on along the loop platform.

And so it goes...

-William A. Padron
["SF"]


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 28 20:25:13 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017.

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I already told you, Mitch45. LOL.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jun 28 20:44:08 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 28 12:27:52 2017.

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Hopefully, they won't remove the platform gap fillers again! Ya never know when they might be needed again!

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 28 20:54:27 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017.

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Let's see. Southbound 1 train riders won't be told to move to the front 5 cars any more. So a train with passengers can't use the loop because passengers would be stuck. So no in-service trains can use the loop. So what happens when a platform is never used by in-service trains?

The only exception I've ever known of was when the now N/Q Canal Street platform had to stay open to act as a transfer corridor even though it had no trains. Similarly, the 6th Ave L platform may stay open when the L closes.

But that doesn't apply to the 1 loop.



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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 21:29:22 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 28 20:54:27 2017.

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From a previous message:

"So what happens when a platform is never used by in-service trains?"

For several decades and to this day there two full length platforms that are not in service but in-service train travel along its tracks every 24/7/365.

Ever heard of the Hoyt/Schermerhorn Streets station of the A, C & G subway train lines?

Mike


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jun 28 21:54:34 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 21:29:22 2017.

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For a long time the middle platform on the IND at Columbus Circle was not used either, until it was resurrected as a connector between the uptown and downtown 1.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Beebo on Wed Jun 28 22:01:57 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017.

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Isn't it used by late-night 5s, terminating at Bowling Green? What the hell; let people off on the 1st 5 cars and keep the platform active.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 22:27:08 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jun 28 21:54:34 2017.

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Yes, very true!

Mike


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 28 23:22:04 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 28 11:56:30 2017.

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As of last night (6/27), they already put wood panels up over the doorway to the mezzanine, and a chain link barrier over the entrance stairway. I think they still have the clerk assigned there, though, maybe to watch over things?

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 28 23:24:45 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Beebo on Wed Jun 28 22:01:57 2017.

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I agree! Having the 5 end there instead of just taking the loop would help with the ferry riders.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 29 00:47:46 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 21:29:22 2017.

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Sorta.
The tracks you have in mind are not revenue tracks,or platforms...even though there are platform and tracks that are within the station structure.

There is a difference.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 29 01:23:26 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 29 00:47:46 2017.

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I was directly referring to the tracks that the A & C trains travel over 24/7/365 at Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets that also happens to be against a platform that has been out of service for decades - not the local tracks against the walls to lead directly to/from the Court Street station.

This is similar to the express tracks at the 59th Street/Columbus Circle station where 24/7/365 where A & D trains have traveled over for decades - even though the center platform was out of service for decades until recent station renovation.

Mike



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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 01:47:34 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 21:29:22 2017.

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Ever heard of the Hoyt/Schermerhorn Streets station of the A, C & G subway train lines?

Yes I have. Note that passengers are not allowed on those platforms. They may be visible to the public but they are a closed portion of the station.

That was exactly my point. If a platform is not used by in-service trains, it is generally closed to the public, the only exception I can remember being what is now the Canal St N/Q when that side of the Manhattan bridge was closed.



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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jun 29 06:50:04 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 29 01:23:26 2017.

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Chambers St. BMT also has an unused platform that trains run alongside of (and one that they currently don't).

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 13:26:06 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 28 23:24:45 2017.

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They could have the weekend #2 go there rather than use the #1 stub terminal. I can see trains backing up competing for space at the stub terminal.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 13:38:51 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Beebo on Wed Jun 28 22:01:57 2017.

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There are 2 South Ferry loops.

The 1 uses the outer loop and the 5 uses the inner loop. The inner loop hasn't had its platform be used in many decades - it's even less functional than the outer loop platform.



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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 13:40:20 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 13:26:06 2017.

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???

The weekend #2 goes to Flatbush Ave.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 14:14:43 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 13:38:51 2017.

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The inner loop is 10 cars long. The only problem is that only the middle door on each car can open. The capability to open only the middle doors was lost during rolling stock replacement.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:32:03 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 13:26:06 2017.

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They couldn't. Apparently the doors on the B units of the R142/142A don't line up with the gap fillers.



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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 14:33:41 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 13:40:20 2017.

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Not anymore it doesn't. No 2 & 3 to Brooklyn.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:37:55 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 13:40:20 2017.

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As of June 16,2017 and continuing to Spring 2018, the Clark Street Tube will be closed every weekend for reconstruction.

2 trains will terminate at South Ferry (new station). On 6/16-6/19 and 6/23-6/26 they terminated at Rector St and ran light around the outer loop. Trains will run local from 34 St to SF.

3 trains will terminate at 14th St.

4 trains will go to New Lots and 5 trains will go Flatbush and make all local stops south of Atlantic Av.

Clark St and Hoyt St will be closed on weekends.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 14:42:34 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:32:03 2017.

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OK, then vice versa.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:45:13 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:32:03 2017.

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That would make sense which is taboo to the MTA.

They are going to have to quicker crew changes and departures at SF

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 15:02:39 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:45:13 2017.

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I don't think the maximum number of weekend tph for 1 + 2 exceeds the maximum number of weekday tph of the 1 alone.

Weekday rush the 1 can have 16 or more tph. Weekend I doubt either is more than 8. Don't have time to check the schedules right now.


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Beebo on Thu Jun 29 15:09:02 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:32:03 2017.

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That's what they get for being cute. Well, make the people *jump* then


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Beebo on Thu Jun 29 15:13:57 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Beebo on Thu Jun 29 15:09:02 2017.

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Those who can't jump that far will be given a "pizza rat" to take home. Consolation prize. With any luck, you can teach 'em to drag your trash bags down to the chute...


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by displaced angeleno on Thu Jun 29 15:20:50 2017, in response to Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by northshore on Tue Jun 27 14:24:03 2017.

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I was there for the first train and I didn't see him. It was also just after the derailment and I'm sure him showing up at the completion of another expensive project while ignoring a major crisis wouldn't have gone over well.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 15:39:04 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 29 15:02:39 2017.

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If they concoct an excuse to back the service up, they will.

They may even do something stupid like they do at 96th and at Flatbush - use only one stub track, and hold the subsequent train back in the tunnel or prior station if need be.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:12:06 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jun 28 20:44:08 2017.

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Good point, but this IS the MTA weíre talking about!

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:27:49 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jun 28 22:27:08 2017.

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Actually, from what I was told, the middle platform of 59 St was not used at all when the IND first opened, and only opened for rush hour only passenger use in the early 1950s. In the AM rush only S/B trains opened to the middle plat and in the PM rush, only the N/B trains opened there. I think the opening of the center platform coincided with the elimination of the rear C/Rs on 10 car trains due to the special operating arrangement for the opening of the doors on the middle. During rush hours, a platform C/R was stationed at the C/R position to open the doors on the off side. there was a special button on a column adjacent to the C/R position that was energized by the plat C/R during his hours of operation. Under normal circumstances, the road C/R while observing the platform can operate the emergency valve should he see a passenger caught in the doors as the train departs. Since he couldnít see the off side as the train was moving out, the special button by the plat C/R could be activated to apply the brakes on the train by activating the stop arms on the leaving home signals on each express track thereby applying the brakes in emergency if a passenger was observed being dragged. I donít know how the situation was handled when the R-16s with inside door controls ran on the A and although I was a T/D at 59 St quite frequently, I never paid attention to how it was done when the R-32s and 42s started to appear in increasing numbers. I believe, that the logistical problem with opening the doors on the off side was why the TA decided to stop using the middle platform although now with almost the entire A and D Line fleet having transverse cabs, the middle platform could probably be used again.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:31:17 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:37:55 2017.

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Hoyt st would have had to be close if the TA had left the switches N/O Hoyt between the exp and lcl tks in place when it installed the new signaling.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:36:47 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 14:32:03 2017.

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First, I donít see how much difference there is on those cars from the differences in the door locations between the R-12s/14s/15s and the later equipment when mixed trains of them ran for years on the 1. Also knowing that the gap fillers existed at So/Fy and other stations before the new station was even planned, why didnít the cesspool of incompetence that passes for TA planning and new car engineering see to it that the cars were designed so the doors of all cars lined up properly with ALL gap fillers at ALL stations so equipped?

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 16:44:40 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:36:47 2017.

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During the Ronan era, with 75' car mentality applied to the IRT, they started to design a 57' car so as to run 9 car trains, instead of 10. Then someone reminded them of South Ferry and 14th Street.

Such is life when you commute in a Black Car.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 29 16:52:53 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:36:47 2017.

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The only thing I can think of has to do with the wider doors. Otherwise, yeah, I can't believe the cars can't platform at old South Ferry. It would explain why the 5 can't use it, though.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 16:59:30 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 29 16:52:53 2017.

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The 5 could cut over to the outer loop, stop, and cut back in. But now it has to run to B.C. in place of the 2.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 19:09:55 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:36:47 2017.

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The R62s door arrangement is different than the R12s/14s/15s.

While the doors on the R12/14/15 cars are offset to the doors on the opposite side of the car, the R62s doors are parallel to the doors on the opposite side.

I seem to recall (I might be wrong on this) at one point after the R62s were introduced to the west side lines, that there was a project that the gap fillers at SF were realigned to match up with the doors.

SF is the only station with the gap filler "problem". The gap fillers at 14th St on the 4,5,6 worked w/o any issue. There are no other stations with active gap fillers (Times Square on the Shuttle is a different situation altogether) in the system.

But you are right wondering why (I always wondered that) they didn't set the specs on the R142/142As to be able to platform at SF. It is interesting to note that the A cars on R142/142As have the same parallel door alignment as the R62/62As.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 29 19:12:00 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by displaced angeleno on Thu Jun 29 15:20:50 2017.

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According to newspapers he was in Albany at the time.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 29 19:47:40 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 16:44:40 2017.

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During the Ronan era, with 75' car mentality applied to the IRT, they started to design a 57' car so as to run 9 car trains, instead of 10. Then someone reminded them of South Ferry and 14th Street.
Behold.............the s t r e t c h R-12

Location: 207th Street Yard...Car: R-12 (American Car & Foundry, 1948) XC875 (ex-5781)...Photo by: Steve Zabel...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 4/1976...from nycsubway.org


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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 29 19:58:17 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 29 16:59:30 2017.

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That's what I thought. But if there are compatibility problems with the gap fillers, that makes that maneuver moot.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jun 29 20:06:11 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Jun 28 12:27:52 2017.

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Seems like a shame. The MTA spent good money sprucing it up after Sandy and it's a waste to simply close it back up.

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Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 29 20:30:46 2017, in response to Re: Grand Reopening of South Ferry Station, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:12:06 2017.

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At least someone had the presence of mind to keep them when the new SF terminal originally opened.

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