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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 22 19:13:31 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 22 12:40:23 2017. They like to spend money.You will still be able to get from Jamaica to GCT faster via HPA and the #7 than on an ESA train. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Mon May 22 19:41:21 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Mon May 22 12:40:23 2017. Atlantic Terminal has good infrastructure to support connections to the NYCT, Hunterspoint really doesn't for the most part. They could electrify more tracks at LIC and run some trains there, but I doubt there is a whole lot of potential there. Atlantic Terminal definitely has some more potential. |
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Posted by sloth on Mon May 22 20:40:47 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by ElectricTraction on Mon May 22 19:41:21 2017. You can't send 12 car trains to Brooklyn. Only the northernmost platform can handle 10 cars. The approaches are 5 mph. That makes it difficult to increase the service much beyond what it already is. If we had any way of expanding the existing space, it would be a real option.It looks like there's enough room at HPA to add more tracks and a second platform. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 22 21:03:46 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Mon May 22 19:13:31 2017. That assumes that HPA trains will be available. If they don't kill HPA altogether, the few trains that go there will be reduced further in number. HPA gets even less respect than Atlantic Terminal. |
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Posted by sloth on Mon May 22 21:46:11 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 22 21:03:46 2017. HPA will last as long as the DE/DM equipment because there isn't room to turn all the diesel service at Jamaica |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Mon May 22 22:23:01 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by sloth on Mon May 22 20:40:47 2017. Are they fully utilizing the existing capacity? I thought they had a lot of tracks there? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 22 22:32:30 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by sloth on Mon May 22 21:46:11 2017. Don't be surprised if they deadhead the diesels to HPA if they can't turn them at Jamaica. It sounds stupid, but sometimes I get the feeling that the MTA is run by ideologues whose ideology is that ESA is good, shuttles are good, Atlantic Terminal is bad, and HPA is awful. Every passenger that exits or enters at HPA makes ESA look bad. The solution is to dump them at Jamaica. Ideologues don't care where the passengers want to go or what is faster or more comfortable; it's about making the decisions and the decision-makers look good. If they do run HPA passenger service, expect that the station will be allowed to deteriorate to the point that it looks like the Chambers Street subway station and that service will be so poor that only a masochist would want to use the station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 23 01:19:50 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by sloth on Mon May 22 21:46:11 2017. Well, then that means it'll last a very long while, because the replacements for DE/DM30ACs will be very similar. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue May 23 09:27:17 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by ElectricTraction on Mon May 22 19:41:21 2017. In a year or so Atlantic Terminal will have even more potential when the new yard connection track is finished.Trains will be able to go directly between the terminal and the yard without an additional reverse move on the main track. |
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Posted by sloth on Tue May 23 10:32:59 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by ElectricTraction on Mon May 22 22:23:01 2017. 6 tracks. The south platform can only hold 6 cars of which 4 can open, so it's not all that useful. From 720am-830am they bring in a train every 5-6 minutes. 500pm-550pm they depart a train every 5-6 minutes.The direct yard lead will help, though... they're working on all these construction projects... when was the last time something got finished and built? You could extend the peak windows a little, or add service on the margins of the rush hour, but you'd still be dealing with short trains and an inefficient terminal that is difficult to improve due to severe space limitations. |
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Posted by sloth on Tue May 23 10:48:59 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 22 22:32:30 2017. Yes... it's hard to predict what direction the bean counters will take on HPA. There could very well be an increase in equipment turns. Though lately there's been a fetish for making equipment trains carry passengers. Someone thinks the conductor should have to stay awake, I guess. HPA's platform is already suffering from less than benign neglect, so yes, that is a pretty good guess on what may transpire. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Tue May 23 15:48:08 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by sloth on Tue May 23 10:32:59 2017. Still, if they could get the third main track project dealt with and run some more shorter trains to Atlantic Terminal, that could help the whole system overall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 23 17:50:39 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 23 01:19:50 2017. The DE/DM and P32DM replacements would likely be a variation of the Siemens Charger locos.HPA is supposed to get an ADA job, so I don't think they are going to abandon it. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue May 23 20:06:40 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue May 23 17:50:39 2017. An ADA job for HPA will probably consist of a hand-cranked platform on a rope staffed by an attendant during rush hours only. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 23 21:19:10 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue May 23 20:06:40 2017. Or a 45-degree ramp facing the length of the platform. :-) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 24 17:48:19 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 23 21:19:10 2017. 45' is NOT ADA accessible. 1" raise = 1' travel.ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 24 18:34:16 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 24 17:48:19 2017. not to mention periodic level areas every so many feet of travel, but I think he was being sarcastic. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 24 19:32:44 2017, in response to Re: The Crisis at Penn Station, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 24 18:34:16 2017. Yeah, I was being sarcastic. :-) |
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