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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 2 19:16:43 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon May 1 19:54:58 2017. Was there any reasons why the QX cars were retired in the early 50s? Considering that the other Q types lasted until 1969, what prevented them from being considered for 3rd Ave el service? |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue May 2 20:17:30 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 2 19:16:43 2017. Nothing prevented them from 3rd Ave El service --- but because the Q's generally ran in TWO 3-car sets -- for a 6 car express train on the IRT 3rd Ave El, and were about 1 1/2 feet longer than a Manhattan El Car, two reasons why the QX (at least the MOTOR CARS) could not be used.(a) --IRT MUDC and Gate cars could run SEVEN car expresses because most express platforms could easily handle 7 IRT EL cars with their rear car or (and/or) first car vestibule (or open platform) end extending out a bit beyond the platform ends. The MUDC EL cars could have their end doors at the rear car, and first car, cut out from the MUDC System (b) -- However, a 6 car consist of Q types would be 9 feet LONGER than a 6 car IRT EL Express. Most express platforms could easily berth ALL DOORS of an IRT EL MUDC (or Gate Car) consist with at least 8 feet variably of spare platform at each end of such platforms. 16 feet Total approx. Therefore, a 6 car Q Type consist could be berthed with all doors safely within the platform. (c) -- Also a 6 car express train of IRT Composites could easily berth at such platforms -- even tho their END doors (all manually controlled doors) at first car and rear car - were not used. A 7 Car train of composites could also be berthed -- with the rear car end doors and first car end doors, outside the platform...and the center doors of the composites could be opened or left closed at the first and rear car at the discretion of the conductor and his door operating assistants. (d) HOWEVER, a SEVEN CAR consist of Q Types - using a QX Motor Car as the rear car, (or front car) would have the quarter-point located door at the front end of the first car, and the rear car rear door, located beyond the platform ends. And the doors could not be cut out on the Q Types without lifting up the seat cushion adjacent to those doors to get to the "bad order door" cut out switch. Not easy to do in a packed rush Hour Express using ONE CONDUCTOR standing mid train! So the QX Motor cars were alternately used as work train work horses on the IRT --- and the control-trailer car mates became work train rider cars, and some became pump car "hose cars". Also, the 3rd Ave EL had more than enough 6 car consists of standard Q Types to maintain the AM and PM ONLY express services, backed up with quite many extra IRT EL MUDC consists used as expresses. Some motor QX units had roof mounted poles applied to be used as Horses at BMT 36th St Yards and Coney Island Ave X Yards. Regards - Joe F Webmaster |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue May 2 20:44:14 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue May 2 19:16:43 2017. Joe, were there enough QX cars to have replaced the gate cars on Myrtle Ave in 1950-51? |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue May 2 23:47:48 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by Elkeeper on Tue May 2 20:44:14 2017. Hello EL KeeperNO -- There were not enough BMT EL QX units to handle Myrtle Avenue El service in 1950-51 -- which still had a heavy ridership compared to say, 1965 thru 1969. There were only 13 sets of 2-car-unit QX Units -- 26 cars, 13 being motor " A " cars with ONE 2-motors truck, and 13 being Control Trailer " B " Cars (no motors, but had one cab with operator controls) - QX Type Units were numbered 1630 thru 1642 There were 30 sets of 3-car-unit Q-Type Units -- 60 cars (A & C cars) being motor cars with ONE 2-motors truck when used in BMT Queens "Shuttle" Service - and 30 Trailer "B" cars. All those cars retained their original BMT Peckham trucks and their 2 powerful motors in each of the motor trucks. Q-Type Units were numbered 1600 thru 1629 Transferred to the IRT 3rd Avenue EL in March thru May 1950, the Q-type consists remained the same, except now each A & C motor car had their heavier and more powerful BMT Notor trucks removed and lighter ex-Composite Car IRT trucks installed, (due to the lightweight 1878 constructed Manhattan 3rd Ave EL) with each motor truck having only ONE motored wheelset on each of the two trucks under each motor car. The trailer cars retained their original BMT trailer trucks. These Q types all went to the Myrtle EL between March and May 1958, the Motor A & C cars still retaining the IRT "Composite Car" maximum traction style trucks - and ran until late October 1969 on the BMT Myrtle Ave El, replacing my mid 1958, all BMT 1300 series all motor EL gate cars. QX Units were designed for Flushing & Astoria "Queens" BMT Shuttle service to allow more flexibility with their Q-Type sisters. This is some of the consists that were capable of being run on those Flushing and Astoria EL lines between 1939 and 1949 3 car consist -- a 3-car Q Type Unit (ONE trailer) 5 car consist -- a 3-car Q Type Unit + a 2-car QX Type Unit -- (TWO trailers) 6 car consist -- a 3-car Q Type Unit + a 3-car Q Type Unit --(TWO trailers) 7 car consist -- a 3-car Q Type Unit + TWO 2-car QX Type Units -- (THREE trailers) 8 car consist - TWO 3-car Q Type Units + a 2-car QX Type Unit -- (FOUR trailers) And remember, those Q Type and QX type motor cars all had their original larger-motor powerful Peckham Motor Trucks in Queens 1939 to 1949 services. The then-IRT operated Flushing and Astoria EL's could hand 9 or 10 car IRT cars at stations, so the Q / QX Types could be assembled in peak 1939 and 1940 Worlds Fair Traffic periods, to create up to 8 car consists Regards - Joe F |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 3 07:33:34 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue May 2 20:17:30 2017.  Line: BMT Brighton Line...Location: Avenue U... Route: Work Service...Car: BMT QX 1643... Photo by: Joel Shanus...from nycsubway.org |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed May 3 07:37:57 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue May 2 23:47:48 2017.  Line: IRT Flushing Line...Location: 74th Street/Broadway... Car: BMT QX 1630?... Collection of: Joel Shanus...Date: 1948...from nycsubway.org |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 3 15:23:34 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue May 2 20:17:30 2017. One thing that I noticed about the QXs is that they had their roofs lowered before the regular Qs roofs were lowered. |
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Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17) |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Wed May 3 16:37:16 2017, in response to Re: [2 PHOTOS] Re: East 180th Street (4/10/17), posted by randyo on Wed May 3 15:23:34 2017. Hello Randy-OBecause as work motors (the Motored "A" cars) and the Trailer "B" cars as rider, tools, and materials (ie as "boxcars")cars -- they had to be able to clear both ALL IRT and ALL BMT - IND subway tunnels in work and transfer services. Most subway tunnels of the IRT, BMT and IND could not clear the about 13" higher variably by EL car (*) class and design, clerestory roofs but 13" being the highest clerestory roof El car). IRT and BMT wooden EL car clerestory roofs were about between 11 to 13 inches higher than steel subway car roofs of the IND, BMT and IRT. (*)NOTE: Some older EL car roofs were lower at only 12 to 11 inches approx. high; The QX cars were fitted with subway type PADDLE 3rd rail shoes, as were the 3-car set Q TYPES -- for use as newly converted to MUDC EL cars, for 1939 to late 1949 Flushing & Astoria shuttle service. When the Q Types went to 3rd Ave El service, their Peckham BMT Trucks with Subway Paddle Shoes, on the A & C Motor cars, were removed, and IRT Composite Trucks were installed on the A & C motor car Q's and had the Manhattan EL style "EL" 3rd rail drop sled contact shoes. The Q type Trailer "B" cars still retained their two motor-less BMT Peckham Trucks in 3rd Avenue EL service. The QX units when re-classed as non-revenue-use stock, at the very end of 1949, still retained their BMT Peckham trucks (A & B cars) as well as the subway type paddle 3rd rail shoes. SO with some of those QX units gradually having their roofs newly lowered between 1950 and 51, and as thus keeping the subway 3rd rail paddle shoes, they could travel and be used as motor-horses (or rider cars) in work train service on ANY part of the IRT, BMT and IND system. For example, a work train of 3 QX Motor A "low-roofed" cars was used as motor-horses coupled together on the Flushing & Astoria lines in the 1950 - 1955 period and was able to run into the Flushing Line Subway to Manhattan as well as also into the BMT 60th Street tunnel to Manhattan with their roofs lowered. Unlike a Q type (or QX) still with its original high-clerestory roof. Not all the QX cars had their roofs lowered - a few ended up used in Coney Island Ave. X yards (and on MacDonald Avenue trackage)and in the 36th St yards - as work horses with TROLLEY POLES mounted on their high original roofs to run under the Culver EL (MacDonald Ave.) on trolley wire between Ave. X and 36th St Yards ! Used to transfer rail cars, work cars, materials, etc. regards - Joe F |
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