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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 27 22:48:56 2017, in response to On this date in 1976..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 27 21:40:46 2017. And despite the lack of maintenance, the underground stations with those vaulted ceilings still make me swoon. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:02:44 2017, in response to On this date in 1976..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 27 21:40:46 2017. ...the first segment of the DC Metrorail opened. The initial segment had 5 stations along 4.2 miles of track. Today, the system has nearly 120 miles of track serving 91 stations.I was there and have the pictures I took to prove it. And at the time it was said the trains when nowhere mighty damm fast. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:08:18 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 27 22:48:56 2017. And despite the lack of maintenance, the underground stations with those vaulted ceilings still make me swoon.You should have seen the within first couple of years after they opened. The station were clean, bright and devoid of all the advertising and redundant way finding clutter. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 28 00:20:58 2017, in response to On this date in 1976..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 27 21:40:46 2017. The Metro has come a long way. I wasn't able to ride it until 1981 and considering the conditions we were dealing with in NYC, I was instantly hooked on Metro. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 28 00:54:57 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:02:44 2017. This photo that I've seen time and time again is yours??? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Mar 28 06:56:27 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Mar 28 00:20:58 2017. Same here, I was able to ride it around 1982, and loved it. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 28 07:15:21 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:08:18 2017. Compared to what was going on in NYC, it must've seemed miraculous. For all the troubles Metro has these days, it's still pretty good. Non-railfans still like it better than NYCTA. The stations are a bit grim and uniform, but the routes are easy to understand, and there seem to be far fewer freaks riding with you. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 07:54:16 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:02:44 2017. Why have some of the pictures aged differently than others? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 07:56:56 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 28 00:54:57 2017. This photo that I've seen time and time again is yours???The album of full sized pictures are credited, 7 of the 12 are mine, that one and 4 others were were taken by Pual Wyatt, WMATA staff photographer. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 08:09:00 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 07:54:16 2017. Why have some of the pictures aged differently than others?Quality of the way they were stored and quality of the slide scanner used to scan them, 7 of the 12 are mine. The cleaner 5 are from the WMATA photo archive and are so credited in the full sized picture album. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 11:59:26 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 28 07:15:21 2017. Compared to what was going on in NYC, it must've seemed miraculous.Like a futuristic sci-fi movie vs. Death Wish. :-) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 12:00:52 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 07:54:16 2017. Ah, OK. Great historical collection, BTW! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 28 14:21:21 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 11:59:26 2017. And many people still see it that way!! I know many people, even those who ride occasionally, who truly believe if asked, that NYCTA is full of graffiti.while of course it's light years ahead of where it was in '76, the routes- even the official mapped ones, are confusing- the A has 3 Queens terminals and the 5 has 2 terminals in the Bronx. Then you have the secret Es to 179th, Ns to 96th, and 2s to New Lots. With today's electronic signage (both on NTTs and R46s) these should be separate routes. Then there's weekend GOs, like the F that runs via Broadway and the West End... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 28 15:20:53 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 28 14:21:21 2017. All the "secret" routes are on the timetables. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 15:44:01 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 08:09:00 2017. Ah, OK. Great historical collection, BTW! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 19:59:54 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 15:44:01 2017. Ah, OK. Great historical collection, BTW!Thank you. I have a couple of shots of 8 car trains in Metro Center that were taken in 1975. Back then I new most of the security folks which would allow me almost free access to the unopened stations during testing. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Mar 29 08:41:48 2017, in response to On this date in 1976..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Mar 27 21:40:46 2017. Yes, a nice system that I have ridden often, but no express! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 29 10:48:22 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Mar 29 08:41:48 2017. Yes, a 2 track system. :( |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 19:05:57 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by MainR3664 on Tue Mar 28 14:21:21 2017. I know many people, even those who ride occasionally, who truly believe if asked, that NYCTA is full of graffiti.Considering that the war on graffiti/scratchiti/etc., is never really over, I can't completely blame them. Some cars get scratched or stained (by solvents) rather badly. With today's electronic signage (both on NTTs and R46s) these should be separate routes. I don't know about know about that. I think the rationale is that the routing has to be in operation for a significant period of time to be considered a "line", otherwise people may try for a line that only exists as an operational convenience. The A to Rockaway Park is probably the biggest exception to this. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 29 20:12:14 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Mar 29 08:41:48 2017. Yes, a nice system that I have ridden often, but no express!Express is unnecessary when you design a system that doesn't have stations so close to one another they can't get up to speed before having to slow to stop at the next station. Express exists on NYCT primarily to increase capacity in the corridors that have them. The boarding stats for the 3 stations on the Second Avenue Subway dwarf the boarding stats for most heavily used stations on WMATA. Oh, and WMATA is a long way from operating its railroad to its designed capacity. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 29 20:21:22 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 29 20:12:14 2017. Express exists on NYCT primarily to increase capacity in the corridors that have them.That's an often-repeated theme here, but I disagree. In rush hours, locals are pretty slow because they have quite a high dwell time, and an express really saves a LOT of time. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 20:43:10 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Wed Mar 29 20:12:14 2017. The boarding stats for the 3 stations on the Second Avenue Subway dwarf the boarding stats for most heavily used stations on WMATA.Seriously??? I thought that, despite the less than ideal accessibility, the heaviest used WMATA stations would approach quite a few Manhattan stations, though not the very worst ones. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 20:44:10 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Mar 29 10:48:22 2017. That's the wave of the present and future, unfortunately. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 20:45:55 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Mar 29 08:41:48 2017. We can only thank the early NYC subway planners for having the foresight to provide express tracks, even though some of them ended being chronically underutilized. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 30 07:21:44 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 28 15:20:53 2017. I know. And I'm sure really cued in, regular riders of those routes look for those runs- if I worked in Chelsea and lived near Hillside Ave., I would definitely try to get one of those Es..But they still have serious potential to take people by surprise- especially those As with Europeans looking for JFK airport. That route, at least, should be the K (for JFK). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 30 07:26:28 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 19:05:57 2017. I think the A train situation on Queens is crazy. I mean, here we are, trying to encourage tourists to use it- and we have to tell them to look for only certain A trains, and to watch the side signs, which change every few seconds? And some of these folks barely speak English.I've seen the puzzled Spaniards and French folks at West 4th... I mean, c'mon. Label the train to Far Rockaway as the K- or even the old JFK Express symbol. Nobody would have trouble understanding that. At least in Wmataland, a Blue is a Blue and an Orange is an Orange. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 30 07:29:11 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 19:59:54 2017. Thank you very much for sharing your excellent photos and historical perspectives, and keeping us updated on the progress of WMATA. That system, despite its current problems, shows that a major system can get built and can expand, even in the modern era. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Mar 30 08:21:48 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by AlM on Wed Mar 29 20:21:22 2017. Yes, this is true. And a lot of personal taste comes into play here. Me, I'll walk a few extra blocks or wait for a couple locals to come by in order to get an express. Locals in rush hour are extraordinarily slow, as AlM says. Sure, if you just want to huddle, get into a zone and read or listen to your mobile device, a local doesn't matter. But I do those things at home. For me it's "minimize the time in the train". And also.... get an (even flawed) RFW and look ahead. I love seeing the speed-O topping at 45 on the 2 or 3 or the B in the 34 -W4 dash! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 30 08:27:37 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by Sand Box John on Tue Mar 28 00:02:44 2017. The mix of automobiles in the parking lot is interesting. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Mar 30 08:34:48 2017, in response to Re: On this date in 1976..., posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 29 20:43:10 2017. Seriously??? I thought that, despite the less than ideal accessibility, the heaviest used WMATA stations would approach quite a few Manhattan stations, though not the very worst ones.Seems I was off by about 10,000 for the average of the 3. 3 station that have been open less then a year compared to 8 that have been open for at least 40 years. Boardings at the top 20 stations, compiled from a PDF file posted at planitmetro.com.
Boardings at all of the station is posts at greatergreaterwashington.org. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.
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