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Posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:22:59 2017 Penn Sta. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:24:10 2017, in response to Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:22:59 2017. The morning rush has become the morning crush for some NJ Transit commuters arriving at New York Penn Station.The scene plays out like this: When a train pulls in, commuters queue up for the doors and arrive on a platform that is both narrow and jammed, people shoved together elbow to elbow. To exit from the platform, commuters sometimes encounter an onslaught of passengers trying to catch another train or a crush of passengers from an arriving train. Sometimes the escalator is going down instead of up, the narrow stairwells are packed single file or, in a truly frustrating situation, a new stairwell is gated. The morning commute for thousands already ends at the much maligned Penn Station. Now, some say, the escape from Penn Station is worse, with platforms more jammed than ever as the number of commuters increases. In 2016, average weekday boardings at Penn Station numbered 94,859 people, up from 92,314 in 2015 and 87,130 in 2014, according to Nancy Snyder, a NJ Transit spokeswoman. Each weekday, about 57,000 NJ Transit customers use Penn Station platforms between the hours of 6 a.m. to 10 a.m., according to Nancy Snyder. Compounding the frustration: Several sets of closed stairwells connecting the platforms with the concourse are gated shut, not yet ready to open. On many mornings, platforms are so crowded that commuters line up inside the trains, waiting to step out. Amtrak owns the platforms, stairs and tracks in Penn Station and holds lease agreements with the rail lines. Amtrak routes its trains, Long Island Rail Road and NJ Transit trains onto 21 tracks, most of them shared. Some tracks are longer than others, and not every train can use every track. Some platforms are wider than others, too. Ms. Snyder said that in the longer term, NJ Transit is working with Amtrak on a project to create additional egress from the platforms. Passengers recently exited a New Jersey Transit train at Penn Station in New York City. Train buddies—Justin Simonich, a 44-year-old production manager, and Lacey Mason, 33, a graphic artist, commute from Maplewood, N.J.—experience the bottleneck most weekday mornings. Ms. Mason recalled pulling out her cellphone to check the time, only to be bumped in the crush of people hurrying to their destinations. Her phone went flying and landed in the tracks. “Mostly it’s a people problem with everyone trying to jam into one exit,” Ms. Mason said. According to multiple people familiar with Penn Station operations, Amtrak sometimes makes last-minute decisions affecting track assignments. Those decisions could be in response to avoiding a train with a malfunction, or a platform where there is a sick passenger. When those last-minute changes occur, a train sometimes will land at a platform where there is an escalator going the wrong direction, giving NJ Transit staff insufficient time to switch its direction. NJ Transit operates the escalators from the platform to the concourse. Passengers sometimes push the stop button on an escalator to walk up the stairs. When that happens, NJ Transit staff need to bring a key to unlock the escalator, according to people familiar with the process, and then wait until the escalator is clear to reverse the direction. Jeff Zupan, a senior fellow at the New York-based Regional Plan Association, a policy and advocacy group, said that if there is always queuing on a train platform it’s a signal that the capacity on the stairwells and escalators is insufficient. Mr. Zupan said that 2.5 square-feet per person, standing stationary, is about the right comfort level for people, and is commonly used for elevator sizing. On a subway platform, he said, a good standard is five square-feet per person. “Once you’ve gotten below five square-feet per person, people can’t maneuver to get out of a claustrophobic situation, to move to a different escalator or stairway,” he said. “That becomes mentally stressful.” Robert Paaswell, a professor of civil engineering at the City College, said that crowding in Penn Station “is symptomatic of the needs of modernization of all our infrastructure.” “If you are touching another person, it’s overcrowded,” he said. Construction of the new $147 million West End Concourse, being built by Empire State Development Corp. as part of the larger Moynihan Train Hall project across Eighth Avenue from Penn Station, affects tracks 5 through 21 and all three rail operators. Several sets of closed stairwells lead from the platform to the new concourse, which are a particular nuisance to NJ Transit riders who could otherwise get to a concourse and then easily out to the street. A person familiar with the project said the construction of the first phase of the Moynihan project largely was completed about six months ago, but its opening was delayed by additional improvements that were ordered. This person didn’t immediately know who called for the late changes, which include the installation of monitors. For safety and logistical reasons, it isn’t possible to open up only the stairwells, this person said. “You need to open the whole thing at once,” this person said. Amy Varghese, a spokeswoman for Empire State Development, said, “We’re moving forward with opening the West End Concourse in spring 2017.” In September, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that the $1.5 billion Moynihan Train Hall would open in 2020. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Mar 21 14:28:36 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:24:10 2017. Thanks for presenting the entire article.Mike |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 21 14:50:44 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Michael549 on Tue Mar 21 14:28:36 2017. second that. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 21 15:15:57 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 21 14:50:44 2017. Third.Packed trains are a sign of a healthy economy. Back in the 1940s, people complained that the subways were too crowded. LaGuardia remarked that the day the subways had enough room for everyone during rush hour was the day that NYC would be bankrupt and a receiver would be sitting in the mayor's chair. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 17:36:29 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 21 15:15:57 2017. Packed trains are a sign of a healthy economyIs it? We aren't quite there yet, although we're heading in that direction. Might also be a sign of people not being able to afford to own a car. NYC's poor transportation planning is also biting it in the rear end. NJT's never squeezed so many trains into Manhattan as during these days. Even with a downswing in the economy, a new "union station" would still be necessary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 17:37:29 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:24:10 2017. NJT squeezing trains into a station that was never designed for that capacity. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 17:57:31 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 21 14:50:44 2017. Glad to. Many links have a paywall so when I see that I try to remember to post the entire article, not just the link. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 21 18:21:39 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 17:36:29 2017. More subways are necessary. They've always been necessary. They always will be necessary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 19:20:27 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 21 18:21:39 2017. Versus what?Not that I disagree, mind you. Might as well say where you want them to go, too. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 21 19:44:55 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 17:37:29 2017. Those giant support columns for MSG don't help either.There's another solution too: more frequent, smaller trains. If gateway is ever built, single level EMU trains could make a comeback. A fully loaded 12 car multilevel train would overwhelm most stations with stairs rather than ramps. Stub end terminals like Hoboken, Boston, GCT conversely can handle crowds much better. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 21 19:48:23 2017, in response to Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:22:59 2017. The LIRR platforms have generally better stair access, like 20-21, and Track 18-19 has a nice wide platfrom. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 21 23:33:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:24:10 2017. Thanks for the full article! Fingers crossed for Gateway being the much needed relief valve. My mother reverse commute on NJT from Long Island and has to fight her way down to her train every morning. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 00:45:54 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 21 23:33:04 2017. Gateway is not intended to be a relief valve any more than ARC was. Watch NJT attempt to squeeze even more trains into NYP if/when that gets built. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 22 07:27:26 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 00:45:54 2017. They'll be 8 more tracks to do it, called Penn Station South. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 22 10:16:28 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 21 15:15:57 2017. And I'll fourth that:You wonder if this would have been an issue if the old Penn Station were still there and MSG had been built somewhere else. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Mar 22 10:27:12 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 00:45:54 2017. ARC, Gateway, whatever. I don't really give a shit. Just get some more damn space over there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 22 11:06:52 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 22 10:16:28 2017. The problem are lack of stairs, not the head house. The track and platform layout are exactly the same as 1910, except for lengthening the platforms for track 18 - 21, where NJT never goes.Old Penn Station did not have a west end concourse. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 12:04:05 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Mar 22 10:27:12 2017. No, not the same. I remember Gateway being talked about before NJT's ARC got canceled. The "more damn space" is intended to squeeze more trains in, not to relieve the congestion that's there now, bottom line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 12:04:58 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 22 07:27:26 2017. Yes, and they'll still never achieve their impossible dream of closing down Hoboken Terminal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 22 12:06:45 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 12:04:58 2017. People still need to go to places other than NYPS, which is not on their way, and it's stupid to force everyone to hub there. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 22 12:14:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 12:04:05 2017. Absolutely right, more tubes doesn't change the lack of platform space, that was always a separate project that some folks seem to lump together. Some of the renovation plans should improve pedestriantraffic flow, but when Hudson Yards and Midtown West fully occupy, and more people go out the West Side, who really knows if it will work. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Mar 22 23:59:34 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 22 12:14:04 2017. Fair enough, I can admit when I was wrong. So yes, gateway + penn south. |
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Posted by R30a on Thu Mar 23 00:14:23 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Mar 22 23:59:34 2017. Penn south is an element of gateway so you weren't incorrect. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 23 00:31:34 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 21 19:44:55 2017. There's another solution too: more frequent, smaller trainsMore vibrations, more crews, slower average speeds. They should have never messed with bilevels, except for longer-distance express trains. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 23 09:59:51 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by R30a on Thu Mar 23 00:14:23 2017. The point wasn't really about right/wrong, it was more about the way giant master plans rarely are what they seem. Everything in "phases" Like the 2nd ave subway. Penn Station South is a standalone project (even though it is technically part of the Gateway Master Plan) that moves further and further down the list of things likely to happen because the land was never acquired and it is worth so much more now. It's sad, because it is pretty clear that would be a big help. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 10:08:39 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 23 09:59:51 2017. The emphasis now is to build the 2 tunnels so that the 2 existing tunnels can be shut down.But new tunnels without Penn Station South serve only as a backup for broken down trains, not increased capacity. Amtrak has said as much in all their Gateway PPT demos. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 23 10:20:23 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 10:08:39 2017. That is exactly the problem with these kind of projects...the ones that have to be done vs the ones that should be done to really help long term. The tunnels and Portal Bridge have to be done, and somehow will, and they are forging ahead with Moynihan and a Penn Station rehab. Looks like the sardines will be pouring onto a nicer counter top for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 13:27:43 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 23 00:31:34 2017. Two 6 car trains will en toto use more station slot time than one 12 car train.23 trains per hour is beyond signal capacity as it is. Newark Penn - NY Penn can easily be a 25 - 30 minute schlep. The schedules mean nothing. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 13:39:50 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 23 10:08:39 2017. It actually does increase capacity, for weekends. The two gateway tunnels will allow for a better card of weekend service - the schedule is currently hamstrung by needing to handle a one tunnel shut down. Thus, all the trains go in each direction in bunches rather than evenly spaced out, and there is no room for the RVL.With a total of four tunnels, there would be no problem handling a nice weekend schedule with even two shut down. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 14:16:01 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 13:39:50 2017. It actually does increase capacity, for weekendsThey aren't going to increase weekend service, and that's not the important segment. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 24 14:40:31 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 21 19:20:27 2017. The far west side of Manhattan would be well-served by a line. There are wide swaths of southeastern Brooklyn and eastern Queens that have never seen a subway.Atop my personal subway wish list is a line underneath Union Turnpike in Queens to the city line in Lake Success, Nassau County. The line would branch off east of the Union Turnpike-Kew Gardens station and serve the communities of Kew Gardens Hills, Hillcrest, Fresh Meadows, Jamaica Estates, Bayside and Glen Oaks. There would be a one-seat ride to St. John's University and Cunningham Park. The last stop on the line would service LI Jewish Hospital. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 16:55:25 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 14:16:01 2017. They absolutely will, at a minimum they would add the RVL and spread out the NEC/NJCL trains to provide more even service to EWR and Elizabeth thru Rahway. The current weekend "rush hour" basically has three trains making the local stops within 20 minutes, then nothing for 40 more.In 1990 weekends weren't important. Now travel patterns have changed with most ridership increases occurring during offpeak. The world has changed. Remember when SEC opened, the first thing they did was open it for weekends only, and weekend ridership surged thanks to the improved schedule on the ML/BCL. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 17:17:38 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 16:55:25 2017. They absolutely will, at a minimum they would add the RVL and spread out the NEC/NJCL trains to provide more even service to EWR and Elizabeth thru RahwayPipe dream. In 1990 weekends weren't important They aren't as important as weekdays these days either. Now travel patterns have changed with most ridership increases occurring during offpeak. The world has changed No it hasn't. Busiest traffic is still weekday peak. Remember when SEC opened, the first thing they did was open it for weekends only No, I don't remember such a thing. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 18:06:27 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 17:17:38 2017. Your memory sucks then - it also casts shade on any other assertions you've made on the topic.NJT Press Release for weekend only SEC service in 2003. Ridership increase press release for MNRR Relevant section: In sharp contrast, Commutation ridership to/from Manhattan, which historically has been MNR’s core market, has increased by only about 19% since 1990 and now constitutes less than half of total MNR rail ridership (i.e., 48% in 2015 compared to 67% in 1984). So yes, peak ridership is important but it is less than half the total rides for MNRR. Haven't found an NJT article about it but since NJT cannot do a decent weekend schedule (unlike MNRR) it makes sense that the railroad that does would have better non-commutation ridership. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 19:41:03 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 18:06:27 2017. No wonder I didn't remember the weekend-only SEC service; it didn't last very long. And for the very reason of weekday ridership being more relevant."Non-commutation" does not mean off-peak and weekend travel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:57:24 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 16:55:25 2017. Off peak RVL trains, even the mid-day weekday trains that go to Manhattan, struggle to fill 3 coaches. That does not make a good case for weekend service. On weekends they'd also have to add a 4th train set to rotation. The incremental accounting won't work.45% of RVL loadings go to NYPS. Even on the mid-day trains, there are as many people going to and from Newark as NYPS. I know - I have been at Newark with more people waiting for it on the platform than come from from NYPS (mostly empty). |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:58:52 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 24 19:41:03 2017. I think those weekend SEC shuttles have morphed into weekend Rahway locals, which takes the edge off the crowding of NJCL and NEC trains. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Mar 24 23:44:47 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 24 19:58:52 2017. There are a few SEC-only runs mixed in there,,, |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:24:28 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:24:10 2017. if i was a jersey commuter, if at all possible i would go to hoboken. ferry, bus or path it from there. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:28:57 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 24 14:40:31 2017. sounds good. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:42:12 2017, in response to Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dave on Tue Mar 21 07:22:59 2017. this is related to one of the main reasons why i advocated the woodhaven re-opening...to encourage alternate commuter train terminal utilization. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:44:23 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 23 00:31:34 2017. i agree. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:55:07 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 22 12:04:58 2017. sheeit. double sheeit. they close hoboken...well, i can't even imagine it. i mean, just about the coolest train station in america. long-distance commuter trains, interstate subway, streetcars, ferries, buses.it's like a modeler's wet dream. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 25 07:27:08 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Mar 24 23:44:47 2017. I think what happens, though I haven' really studied the timetable in a couple of years, is they run to Rahway, then deadhead back and go into revenue service at SEC.They do the opposite in the AM. Saves some time on the round trip so they can run 4 hourly frequencies with 2 train sets. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Mar 25 08:18:48 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 25 07:27:08 2017. I believe that the Rahway locals only carry passengers to PS on weekend mornings - the connector I rode, the board and the C/R only announced it as a Secaucus train - and its NOT listed on the printed timetable, but comes up when you put say, a Middletown train on the planner. I believe that particular one is run because they want to run an earlier connection - 8 minutes is not quite long enough to run upstairs, go through the gate, and then run down another set of stairs. Not to mention if they get delayed, Otherwise they would be constantly holding the Port Jervis trains..In the afternoons, however, they run the 7600 series all the way to Rahway - so the Trenton trains can run express after Newark to Metropark. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 11:37:02 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:55:07 2017. Well, you do know that if not for the NYC law banning steam south of 42nd Street, that station could have been in Manhattan, right? never mind possibly being a through station allowing passenger and freight surface access between NJ and Long Island. (That 200+-foot high-water clearance under any Hudson River bridge is no help either.) |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 17:16:39 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 11:37:02 2017. my understanding is, none of the roads with north river terminals could afford to cross over. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 18:07:37 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 17:16:39 2017. That's because they couldn't cross into downtown. By NYC law. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 20:41:59 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 18:07:37 2017. A lot like the law that "no [surface] rail line shall cross the perimeter of the Yamanote line in Tokyo". The end result was a bunch of transfer stations surrounding central Tokyo. Sadly, as our boundary involves a river as well as a state line, we didn't get an equivalent arrangement where the city grew to envelope the once peripheral rail terminals. |
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