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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 1 20:31:26 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 20:04:56 2016. "probably have instructed the engineer ....."Engineer might be lawyering up |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 20:32:30 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 20:04:56 2016. If engineer for example is currently under medication from Medical treatment he/she can not make any statements. and NTSB will honor that since drug test was given before medical treatment. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 21:05:51 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 17:53:02 2016. Same procedure as Grand Central, no extra stop. Though they are also high platform, so the platform itself would prevent a runaway train. The station was redone in a pretty cool way - the RTD tracks are lower than the Amtrak tracks, so that there can be an across the platform transfer between the low level Superliners and the high level RTD trains. Pretty cool... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 21:12:39 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 1 20:31:26 2016. The front camera and recorder would be all that is needed... honestly I don't see how any incidents like this can be the engineer's fault. Simple self preservation instinct, if he could have stopped the train he would! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 1 21:24:53 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 21:12:39 2016. But in the current world, you are guilty until proven innocent, at least in railroad mishaps. Observations & knee jerk conclusions will fingerpoint the engineer before all the facts are out. He has to protect himself, just in case, as anyone would do. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Oct 1 21:32:49 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 21:12:39 2016. honestly I don't see how any incidents like this can be the engineer's fault.It can be, not that I am suggesting it is in this case. For example, partying the night before, sleeping too little, and falling asleep at the throttle. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Oct 2 00:37:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by AlM on Sat Oct 1 21:32:49 2016. Or just plain depressed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 2 10:00:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:34:13 2016. Right. So we are quibbling over a reverser and a device that controls the reverser.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 2 10:02:16 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:35:33 2016. And out on the railroad, the switch is the pointy part that moves, and the turnout is the entire construction. Terms frequently are fungible.ROAR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 2 10:02:56 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:34:13 2016. Asbestos in the air is one of the problems during this investigation. I guess they will have to go in with protective gear. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 2 13:49:23 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Oct 2 10:02:56 2016. Too bad after the original renovation in the 1990's, then after the Sandy clean-up. they could not have removed the asbestos one of those times. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Oct 3 11:43:54 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe on Fri Sep 30 15:08:23 2016. That's Munich's main train station. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Oct 3 11:45:13 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 30 18:19:08 2016. German railfan forum pages indicate the EUB stated the speed was about 15km/h, so about the same as at Hoboken. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Oct 3 12:02:16 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:19:50 2016. Funny thing is, I think we are both saying the same thing, but phrasing it differently. You are saying "We *can* have EU style cars if we change our infrastructure and practices to their style". I am saying "We can't have EU style cars with our current infrastructure in practices."Not at all. I think that European rolling stock would have fared better period. At 10MPH the crash energy elements built into the rolling stock would have failed in a controlled manner, bringing the train to a sudden but safe stop on the track. There might have been some injuries aboard the train, but without the structure falling on the car there more than likely would not have been fatalities. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Oct 3 14:42:53 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:01:42 2016. I know I'm really late in noticing this, but why don't Comet V (and presumably other) cab cars have anti-climbers? Won't help against a locomotive impact (unless it also had an anti-climber) but it should be a help if 2 cab cars or a car car and an MU butt heads. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 3 15:08:26 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by 3-9 on Mon Oct 3 14:42:53 2016. AFAIK, anti climbers are strictly a rapid transit/streetcar/light rail device although I have seen a few interurban cars that had them. There are really no standard RR coaches that I can think of and that includes commuter cars that have them. I believe that the real purpose of anti climbers was to prevent the telescoping of cars within a train as well as other trains and as I maintained before, they really aren’t applied on heavy RR coaches. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Oct 3 16:58:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 3 15:08:26 2016. I agree with what you said about the purpose of anti-climbers, but railroad cars have been known to telescope in the past. Have the cars' structures been reinforced enough that this is no longer a major issue? |
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WFAN's John Minko saw crash |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 4 03:22:46 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016. |
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