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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 30 17:31:58 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Sep 29 11:53:38 2016. GG1 4876, the locomotive involved in that accident, was one of the last GG1's retired in the early 1980's. It still exists in the B&O Museum collection although it is in pretty decrepit condition. Altoona Shops has had a reputation for being the best railroad back shop in the country for many generations. Most of the PRR's steam engines were actually built there although some were ordered from the commercial builders (mostly Baldwin in Eddystone, PA). A lot of repair and rebuilding of locomotives and cars still takes place at that facility which is nowadays owned and operated by Norfolk Southern. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 30 17:36:47 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:33:25 2016. That accident was caused by an angle cock being accidentally closed on the third or fourth car causing the brakes on all the rear cars to fail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 30 17:54:50 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 23:59:33 2016. But what is the 7th aspect ? That display shows just 6. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 30 18:02:06 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 13:46:11 2016. Is that wheel there to dog the hatch if it takes on water? *g* |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 30 18:05:58 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Sep 30 14:02:50 2016. Correct, but once the direction is set by the reverser, the throttlc could be considered to be in the direction set by the reverser. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 18:10:07 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 30 18:02:06 2016. I imagine there'd be room for that as well. That's the throttle, or more accurately, the controller. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 30 18:17:10 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 04:13:12 2016. I agree that bumping block was for shit. It should be very long and elaborate with hydraulics, which I have seen elsewhere (forgot where, maybe Chicago Union).If the lead car is to absorb much rather than be the battering ram that it is, I assume via a crumple zone, then where does that go ? Obviously we do not want to crush the engineer's cab. The passenger compartment is immediately behind with seats. Do we leave 10' - 20' vacant behind the cab, and also put a long, fancy, loco-like nose on the cab cars ? We have no idea how fast it was going until the event recorders and black boxes are all analyzed. Unfortunately, NJT regards Hoboken as a backwater operation and does not invest as much as they should into it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 30 18:19:08 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 13:22:40 2016. Do you know how fast that collision was ? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 30 19:02:56 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 17:22:30 2016. I loved Perry White's line in a Lois and Clark episode: "Hard facts! Now go out there and get me some!" |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 30 19:12:07 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 13:22:40 2016. It appears that the bumping blocks at Hoboken don't even incorporate something as simple as an anti-climber. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 30 19:15:34 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 30 19:02:56 2016. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 30 19:56:54 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 30 17:19:12 2016. Food?!? Ewwww! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:19:50 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 13:22:40 2016. Except I was speaking of it in isolation, which can certainly be done, as that is the conversation I chose to have. You pretended the conversation was something else and argued against a discussion that was never brought up - a sortof straw man argument.Funny thing is, I think we are both saying the same thing, but phrasing it differently. You are saying "We *can* have EU style cars if we change our infrastructure and practices to their style". I am saying "We can't have EU style cars with our current infrastructure in practices." Bottom line is, for the bumper block that was there, the railcar that hit it was the better variant. And as for the photo, again that is an EU bumper block, with EU train control systems, and there's no info on the speed. Irrelevant without further data. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:35:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri Sep 30 10:44:42 2016. The impression I got from that was that it was going the standard terminal track speed, but never slowed down for the end of the platform.Anyone know which track it was yet? It seems to be either 3 or 5. If it is 3 there's no way it was going over 20 without someone wording their comment something like "it seemed to be going way too fast", since everyone would have been thrown about long before reaching the platform and *someone* would have grabbed the E-brake. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Sep 30 20:37:14 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:35:25 2016. track 5 |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:37:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Sep 30 16:16:12 2016. I thought masticate was an alternate word for eating. Like, let me masticate on some chips. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 30 21:38:37 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:37:25 2016. Wasn't that a 3 Dog Night hit...Masticate...Masticate...Chew to the music???:)Sorry! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:21:55 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 30 12:23:50 2016. Correct! But it is still collapsed, it is heavy, it is dangerous, and there are wires and cables all over the place. And it was part of the building. And the train did break through the wall.Ergo Its the Building! ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:23:54 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Sep 30 12:40:25 2016. YES, BUT IT WAS A TERMINAL WITH A BUMPER BLOCK. hE/SHE SHOULD BE IN THE FRONT. aND IS NOT THE TRAIN SUPPOSED TO MAKE ONE OR TWO STOPS BEFRE IT MAKES ITS FINAL STOP AT THE BUMPER? (sorry about the caps lock)Doors are automatic are they not? ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:27:31 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 30 19:12:07 2016. There you have hit a sore spot. Reports were that the equipment used the "bumber block" as a ramp to get up into the station.ROAPR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:32:29 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Sep 30 14:02:50 2016. The reverser in the locomotive would be set at neutral. The reverser in the cab controls the direction of the train.Is it not like the subway: only the control cab counts, the others are off. BNSF might have three or four locomotives in the front and another one or two at the ned. I assure you, nobody goes around touching those reversers. Nobody is in there setting the throttles. It is all part of the MU system. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:35:26 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 30 13:19:25 2016. I got switches on my bathroom wall. Oun ton the railroad they *are* called points or perhaps a turnout if you are speaking of the entire construction.Model railroaders frequently make that distinction, since the also call DPDTs "switches". Now if I could only convince them to call their turnout controls "levers". ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:37:30 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 13:28:05 2016. If you want faster, more reliable intercity trains, then yes you must build all new ROWs. Sharing HSR with coal drags does not cut it.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:43:14 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dave on Fri Sep 30 18:02:06 2016. Like the knob on you American Flyer train set. It is a rehostat to control the speed.ROAR |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 1 07:46:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:43:14 2016. NJT News |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 07:49:05 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 30 20:19:50 2016. Don't all trains on the Continent and in the UK have those two collapsible buffers on the outer ends of every vehicle ?We don't have that, and never will. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 07:52:30 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:23:54 2016. If this was run-away train for whatever reason, the one or two "safety stops' would not have been done. It does not matter what the rules are at that point.When Amtrak backs into a stib station with a back-up hose, as in Chicago, they do make a safety stop. They have also rammed bumper blocks. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 08:13:40 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Sep 30 12:38:41 2016. Media keeps stating the engineer is cooperating, however hasn't made any statements or been interviewed. How is that cooperating? Serving tea and cookies to the investigators? |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 08:19:55 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 30 10:47:42 2016. Not one conductor, if there were more than one, has made a statement. And yes he/she could have and should have pulled the cord. Same with the MetroNorth incident. Don't these guys/ gals know their road? I can tell you, just after a few trips, the fast or slow zones on my daily commute, as could many of us here. We know when our train is approaching switches or a curve, for instance; a conductor should also. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 1 09:26:36 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 08:19:55 2016. He may have been busy preparing to let the passengers off, so he didn't look outside the window to see if the train was going too fast into the station. If he realized they were moving too fast and weren't slowing down, it was probably too late to get to the emergency brakes. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 1 09:44:14 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by 3-9 on Sat Oct 1 09:26:36 2016. The NTSB will give us a full report, so hang on to your theories and speculations:) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 09:58:26 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:23:54 2016. two stops is only required when train backs up to bumping block. not if engineer is on leading end.and no doors need to be keyed by Conductor. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 10:00:37 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:32:29 2016. your confusing reverser handle or key in cab car that operate the wheel barrow size reverser in locomotive |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 10:01:01 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:32:29 2016. your confusing reverser handle or key in cab car that operate the wheel barrow size reverser in locomotive |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 10:02:04 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 07:49:05 2016. we have spring packs in draft gear, same effect. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Oct 1 10:05:15 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 1 09:44:14 2016. IAWTP!chud1. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 10:18:21 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 08:19:55 2016. Passengers know where they are in relating to the real estate. Conductors do not, since they are standing and cannot see out of the windows very well.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 10:25:08 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Oct 1 10:01:01 2016. And that wheelbarrow is controlled by the reverser key or lever. Obviously there is a wheelbarrow in each locomotive and must be set to the locomotive fwd or rev independent of Train fwd or rev.Locomotives on BNSF face in both directions, but the train only moves in one direction. So the lead locomotive or the cab car says "ME IN CHARGE" Its my way or the highway. or something like that. All other controls are in neutral. Some dork is not going walk down a mile long train checking the reversing levers are they? I always appreciate DRN's take on this so while LION may be wrong on something, him can always shake the fakts outa somebody. ROAR |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 14:40:10 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 10:18:21 2016. According to another engineer, the train had to slow for the interlocking outside HBKN. If it were going past the posted speed limit, there would have been a greater chance to derail. Sounds plausible.The conductor, along with the passengers, would at that time be prepping to leave the train. Just the feel of motion would have been an indicator that it was speeding up for some odd reason. Same with Spuyten Duyvil, I would think. meow |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 1 14:58:04 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 1 07:46:48 2016. Thank you SO much for that!Actualities are so much better than talking heads and clueless speculation. Being able to watch the actual conference pretty much in its entirety, presented by folks who actually know what they're talking about is SO much more helpful. And it's great to see Mary Alice Williams is still with us and drawing a paycheck after all these years. I always liked her. :) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 16:10:02 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 17:04:25 2016. But making policy based on rare events is the American way! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 16:14:34 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 07:52:30 2016. Yup, in Denver they do the safety stop too, since both directions of the Zephyr need to back into Denver Union Station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 1 17:53:02 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 1 16:14:34 2016. What about the new RTD service MU service ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Oct 1 18:01:17 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Oct 1 14:58:04 2016. Thanks, SelkirkTMO |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:01:42 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:27:31 2016. I doubt that an anti climber (at least the type we’re familiar with) would be of any use with rolling stock that didn’t also have them. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:34:13 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 10:25:08 2016. The reverser lever may be in the cab car, but activating that device through MU circuits throws the master reverser in the locomotive. It’s still the reverser in the locomotive that controls the direction of the train even though the orders come from the cab car. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 1 19:35:33 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 1 07:35:26 2016. The “switches” I am referring to are the track switches not the devices on walls and/or electrical appliances. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 1 19:53:47 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 08:13:40 2016. Media keeps stating the engineer is cooperating, however hasn't made any statements or been interviewed. How is that cooperating? Serving tea and cookies to the investigators?Investigators probably have instructed the engineer as well as the conductor and trainmen that the incident is under investigation and not to go public and speak to the press. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 20:04:56 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 1 19:53:47 2016. "probably have instructed the engineer ....."And that is how he cooperates. Sheesh. Media spin. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Oct 1 20:06:58 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016. One news idiot went so far as to say it may have been a "track issue".Oh come on! |
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