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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 10:24:58 2016, in response to Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by SLRT on Sat Sep 24 09:53:55 2016. That would be deducible from the pick details that got posted to the horror of a number of people here.I'm not going to try to figure it out but I strongly suspect not. As long as work is going on they aren't going to want a train coming through in each direction every 6 to 10 minutes. That dramatically cuts down on productivity. They'd also need 10 platform conductors to keep foamers from staying on the train at 57th. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 11:40:51 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 10:24:58 2016. I was thinking though that don't they need to do training runs? So it wouldn't be with the crew who brought the train in, therefore not necessarily deducible from the pick. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:22:52 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 11:40:51 2016. You have it right.Before service begins, all t/o's on the B Division will be required to be qualified from 57th to 96th. Therefore there will be a supplement schedule on the Q. When the ok is given to run trains up there, Q trains will do long relays to 96th with the "student" t/o and the TSS aboard qualifying him/her. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:31:56 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:22:52 2016. BTW: This has been the procedure for every extension since I was around. For example, before Parsons/Archer opened, we did long relays on the J from 121 to Parsons/Archer.For the E, in the non rush, we took a train from Kew to PAE. For 21/Queensbridge we took a train in the non rush from CTL and turned back at 21/Qb or Roosevelt Island. We also requalified on the 6th Ave. side of the MannyB leaving from 3 track Pacific St. I guess we turned north of W.4th, in the non rush of course. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:36:34 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:31:56 2016. One more thing, IDK if the c/r's will break in because naturally they have to pay the t/o's o/t to break in. They may want to exclude the c/r's because, after all, a black and white striped board is a black and white striped board at any station. And to save money. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 12:51:04 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:22:52 2016. I wonder how they'll keep the foamers off. Great temptation to try to hide out in the rear car. I don't expect an answer. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 13:36:13 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:36:34 2016. What does "long relays" mean ? Out and back without passengers ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 13:38:17 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 24 13:36:13 2016. Yes. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:16:15 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 12:51:04 2016. Put Yosemite Sam on the last car. He'd yell, "Oh no you don't!! Get off this train!!!!" |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 24 14:55:21 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:36:34 2016. Although a striped board is a striped board, C/Rs will still have to be broken in on the new line anyhow just like I did when I was a new C/R back in 1966. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Sep 24 15:25:22 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 14:16:15 2016. No - he'd say: "OK Varmits - VAMOOSE!!!!!!" |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 16:40:19 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Allan on Sat Sep 24 15:25:22 2016. Then Bugs Bunny would try to upstage him. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 24 19:38:18 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 12:51:04 2016. Railfans actually hiding in the train would only be a issue if they used R68s on the (Q) just hide under the seats + dim interior, not so easy to do on a R160, which is what the Q uses 99 percent of the time for years now.However with the Q having the same terminals 24/7 + not sharing Astoria with the N anymore I can see those 68 sets on the N being assigned to the Q. Would make it easier for the Astoria to have the two lines there be 100% NTT. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 24 20:38:38 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Sep 24 16:40:19 2016. I think the 1940's and 1950's Daffy Duck would make a better foamer than Bugs, even though Sam and Daffy weren't usually paired together. Elmer Fudd would also be a good candidate for a foamer. (The 1960's Daffy was much less "daffy" and just plain "nasty.") A good cartoon could also be constructed around Sylvester Jr. dragging his dad onto a train just to see the new trackage, with Sam as a platform conductor. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 24 21:12:08 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Sep 24 20:38:38 2016. Wonder if the Roadrunner would fit in (after all, a roadrunner was probably partly the inspiration for this) :)
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 23:25:02 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 24 21:12:08 2016. Bombardier bi-levels (as opposed to multi-levels)... I love those cars, perfect for 100% low-level systems. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 23:29:35 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Sep 24 19:38:18 2016. There's nowhere to hide on an R160 and the crew might walk through the train upon reaching 96th, so anyone who stays past would be in deep shit (unless it was by accident, and those are usually caught by the guy at the end of the platform looking into the cars as it enters the relay). An R68, it would be easy enough to open one of the quarter cabs and hide inside (not that I am advocating such action, just telling it like it is). |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 25 09:13:26 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Sep 24 21:12:08 2016. The Greater RoadRunner is actually the state bird of New Mexico since 1949. Not sure what year the one we grew up with started. Do they go "Beep-Beep" at crossings? Saw these on my way West on the SWC... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 09:37:00 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 24 12:51:04 2016. I'd imagine that anyone who does that will be seriously and majorly arrested. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 10:11:50 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 25 09:37:00 2016. "Oh I'm so sorry. I fell asleep and didn't hear any announcement telling me to get off the train."PS. I am not recommending this behavior. But those who are tempted will already have thought this through. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 10:53:46 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 10:11:50 2016. There is nothing new to see up on 2nd Avenue. Anyone who has gone to the 34th Street station of the Flushing line will experience a Dejavu at 72nd, 86th, and 96th Street. Bumper blocks just as interesting. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 11:02:44 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 10:53:46 2016. I certainly don't want to be encouraging anyone, so I'll drop this topic after this post. But some foamers just want to be able to boast of their exploits, even if there's nothing particularly interesting to see. Hopefully NYCT will be alert to the possibility. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:08:46 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 10:53:46 2016. I think there are tail tracks, so there will be no bumper blocks to see. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 25 11:12:31 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 10:53:46 2016. With the fortune spent on 2nd Avenue and the historic significance of its ~90-year history you'd think they'd have designed something more distinctive. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:15:11 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 25 11:08:46 2016. IINM the existing tunnel section from E. 99th to E. 105th will contain tail tracks. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 25 12:19:04 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 11:02:44 2016. From previous messages:"They'd also need 10 platform conductors to keep foamers from staying on the train at 57th." "I certainly don't want to be encouraging ..." And in other messages some folks are talking about HOW to actually hide on the trains to bypass being caught. And others are talking about the penalties for being caught. Or the types of trains that might be used, and which are "better" at reducing detection. GUYS - This has been an absolute FUN morning of reading this Transit Forum!! All that is needed is the secret invitation for the "Underground Pant-Less Party" that might - but you know it will be - taking place in an undisclosed brand new subway station on the about to be opened Second Avenue subway time that this time does not have to use a man-hole cover as the entrance. Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:20:11 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 25 11:15:11 2016. Does that mean that they can go into 96th Street any faster than a station with bumper blocks, like Flatbush Ave ? |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 25 12:34:26 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:20:11 2016. You can go into terminals with bumper blocks a lot faster than they do now and they used to. They just don't have the faith in motormen and/or equipment they used to.And with tail tracks there is no reason they can't enter 96th as fast as any other station. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Sep 25 12:36:50 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 25 12:34:26 2016. Thankfully it will probably be never as important to enter 96th St as expeditiously as possible as it is to enter Hudson Yards, given the frequency of the SAS while 96th St is the end of the line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 25 12:40:07 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Sep 25 12:36:50 2016. Yeah, at most that terminal will be turning 9 TPH. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:47:06 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 25 09:13:26 2016. At one time, on the IRT, a ‘roadrunner” was the term used for a yard M/M who had qualified for the road between picks and was working the road extra list until the next pick when he could pick a regular road job. I don’’t racall the BMT or IND using that term, however. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:49:00 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Sep 24 23:29:35 2016. Actually, with the lack of platform C/Rs it would probably be easy for a passenger to be left on the train by “accident” if you get my inference! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 14:05:40 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 25 12:34:26 2016. I did notice, however, that prior to the Flushing Line extension, there were GT signals entering T/Sq even with the tail tracks past the station. Also, 205 St/Concourse had GT signals added even though there are tail tracks and a full relay position beyond the station. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 15:10:09 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by pragmatist on Sun Sep 25 09:13:26 2016. They go "BEEP BEEP - OR ELSE" |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:26:38 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 25 13:49:00 2016. In theory, one could sneak on and pretend to be an ignorant passenger trying to get to Astoria. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 15:46:52 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 25 11:02:44 2016. Nothing to really see once the line goes into service in January 2017, according to a Q line TSS I spoke with last week. The contractors are supposed to be off the platforms beginning in October. Contractors working on SAS platforms beginning in October may require construction flagging protection IAW NYCT safety rules that govern working on station platforms in proximity to the edge of the platform. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Sep 25 18:10:07 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 25 12:20:11 2016. Probably would be a lot like the E going into Parsons. If there's trains on the tail tracks stations timers will have the trains come in slow if there's no trains the Echo can come in at 20mph. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 19:29:38 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:26:38 2016. I am not so sure that some need to pretend.[Hey, put down that shoe slipper!!] |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 19:31:49 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Sun Sep 25 12:19:04 2016. They don't use man-hole covers to enter. They use the emergency exits along 2nd Av. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 19:33:42 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Handbrake on Sun Sep 25 15:46:52 2016. "goes into service in January 2017"So much for the MTA saying that it will go into service in December 2016. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 25 20:49:41 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 19:33:42 2016. 2016 isn't done yet. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 25 21:45:21 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Sep 25 15:26:38 2016. Hmm, I just thought of the best way... if the idea is to simply get a peek, no need to trespass. Just stick a small camera in a window somewhere (old smartphone maybe) with some duct tape. Set it to record when the "last stop" announcement plays, retrieve it once it's done its long relay... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 25 22:06:32 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Sep 25 21:45:21 2016. It would have to be really discreet unless you want the bomb squad to show up. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Sep 25 22:49:02 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 24 12:22:52 2016. Do they train the T/O's one at a time or can they train them in a group? I seem to recall a video showing a group of (I assume) T/O's watching one of them run a 7 train from Times Square to Hudson Yards just before the extension opened, while a TSS explained the operating procedure. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 26 00:20:29 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by VictorM on Sun Sep 25 22:49:02 2016. They try one at a time, but sometimes that may not be possible. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Sep 26 01:22:06 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Allan on Sun Sep 25 19:31:49 2016. From a previous message:"They don't use man-hole covers to enter. They use the emergency exits along 2nd Av." I guess all that is needed is to set a date? Get the music DJ's, get some drinks and suds, and plenty of food! It's a party! Mike |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Sep 26 13:29:19 2016, in response to Re: Will Q really terminate at 57th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Mon Sep 26 01:22:06 2016. Be sure to invite the NYPD. The arrests they will make for criminal trespass will really make their day. |
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