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Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016

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Gallery here:

http://www.tombessette.com/Studies/Abandoned-Rail-Cars/i-DRZfGmS

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Dave on Mon May 16 22:00:42 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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What's the story behind it?

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:00:46 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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Doesn't look very abandoned.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:20:24 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Dave on Mon May 16 22:00:42 2016.

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Don't know, neither did the source. About all that's known is that it's off in the woods along the river, cut off from the world and no known ownership. It's past a section of the Saratoga and North Creek tourist railroad which used to be Delaware and Hudson, and none of those guys know much about it either.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:22:00 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:00:46 2016.

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The guy who took the pictures and put up that website says it is. You can always contact him and prove me wrong. :)

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:27:13 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:22:00 2016.

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So because he says something we should ignore logic?? LOL!!!

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:27:50 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Dave on Mon May 16 22:00:42 2016.

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Probably perfectly explainable.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:35:50 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:27:13 2016.

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You of all people discussing "logic." LOL!

Local newspaper has article entitled "Abandoned railcars in North Creek." So I go and look, links to the photographer's website. Photos look pretty cool, so I thought I'd post the link to the photos here for folks to gawk at and enjoy.

Only YOU would find a reason to piss all over it. There's your logic.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:36:17 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 16 22:27:50 2016.

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Google is your friend.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 16 22:39:56 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:35:50 2016.

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Are you saying,Hes TOTALLY COMPLETELY WRONG?

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:41:11 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 16 22:39:56 2016.

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Heh. Nah, he's always right. In his own mind anyway. :)

Don't ya just love folks who load up their gun, then take off their feet, then their peepee for extra credit? (grin)

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 17 00:05:18 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:35:50 2016.

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Local newspaper has article entitled "Abandoned railcars in North Creek."
And you didn't post the link along with the photos??

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 00:19:20 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 17 00:05:18 2016.

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Nope. Does that vex you?

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 17 00:28:14 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 00:19:20 2016.

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Nope. It just shows your incompetence.

Don't know, neither did the source.



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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 00:44:20 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue May 17 00:28:14 2016.

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So lemme get your "logic" straight here. You couldn't work google and get the answer yourself, and you're blaming me. Love it.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 01:44:02 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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Nice find! Great photos! Thanks for sharing this! Interesting to find out what the story is about these railcars. Some of the cars' interior photos remind me of "our own" Mineola up at Branford.

Everyone should check out this guy's entire site. Great collections. A number of the albums are of w-a-a-a-y upstate in the
Adirondacks area. Beautiful. All of them.
His New York state album even has two shots in the subway: 149th in the Bronx.









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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 01:56:49 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 01:44:02 2016.

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That's why I thought this might be interesting to everybody. Everybody except for, or course, our pet kvetch. :)

The D&H, and a few other long gone railroads found it to be cheaper to just set out their junk on old, unused trackage than to have it scrapped. You'll find old relics pretty much everywhere in various states of decay. The Saratoga and North Creek railroad certainly would likely have done something with them, but they happened onto better equipment for a song.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 02:59:06 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 01:56:49 2016.

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sounds like these could be "barn finds" for railfans. Now, if we could only find an abandoned Composite somewhere in the midwest... or a Hedley Hi-V sold to someone instead of scraped, deep in someone's wooded "back 40."
- there is that D-Type section somewhere; upstate or Pennsylvania?

Saratoga & North Creek - I never heard of them, but there must be hundreds of these small defunct rr's with colorful histories.

Found a book at yardsale that dealt with all those tiny logging rr's deep in upstate NY. Good stuff.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 03:13:40 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 02:59:06 2016.

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SNC is still running. They run dinner trains in the summer out of Saratoga, and they're the "ski train" in winter. They're still around.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:28:13 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 00:44:20 2016.

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No, that's not what I'm saying at all. What is your problem?

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:28:40 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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What a dumb thread.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:31:32 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 02:59:06 2016.

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Highly doubt it, as I said previously. Despite the mountain of evidence, I'm not sure you are so quick to believe that it is abandoned. Also note hat SelkirkTMO has been wrong many many many times in the past, even on the subjects you'd think he'd be knowledgable about. It's crazy.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 17 08:42:23 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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Don't think they are exactly abandoned. The equipment is stored in the Saratoga and North Creek's backlot. Private car owners routinely store their equipment on short lines cause the rent is so cheap. There have been strange locomotives and cars sitting at Winslow Jct and Tuckahoe for years now.



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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 17 08:44:50 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 17 08:42:23 2016.

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Don't think they are exactly abandoned.
That's exactly what I immediately said (because it was logical and practically obvious) and SelkikTMO didn't believe me. He doesn't make the best decisions, it seems. He also doesn't like being shown to be wrong, though it happens very often.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 17 09:13:58 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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here is forum message from 2013.

Anyone know anything about the current whereabouts and disposition of the "DL&W" E8s 807 and 808. Last I knew, they had been purchased by Iowa Pacific and were slated to be repainted and run on the Saratoga and North Creek Railroad, but that was at least a year ago and there's been no word on them since.

And they are now in North Creek NY on the Saratoga and North Creek Railroad:


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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 17 09:46:13 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 17 08:44:50 2016.

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Try providing links.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:24:25 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 02:59:06 2016.

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there is that D-Type section somewhere; upstate or Pennsylvania?

Upstate NY just south of Albany.

Center or "B" unit of D-type on private property.

Last heard it was converted into a latrine for a camp ground.

Bill Newkirk


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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:26:25 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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I see photo #58, there is a shine to the running rails.

What's up with that ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 10:26:55 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 17 09:46:13 2016.

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Links don't mean anything to him. He's stubborn and biased. Besides, he claims he had a link to a newspaper article that he knew about from the beginning but for some reason decided not to provide it at the same time he started this thread with just some photos and an unsubstantiated claim.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 10:27:26 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue May 17 09:13:58 2016.

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LOL!!!

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 10:31:54 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:26:25 2016.

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What's up is, as I've posted several times so far, there appears to be nothing "abandoned" about this situation. It's logical and obvious. He compelety missed it or ignored the obvious clues. And when I said it, SelkirkTMO dismissed me because he's not a good judge of who to trust. Now several more people have come along and pointed out to him that he seems to be wrong. He'll likely now state that "he's just the messenger" and he " is only here for fun" and he "doesn't take this place seriously". Essentially he's saying that we should ignore whatever he posts because even he doesn't have any faith in it.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 11:11:41 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 10:31:54 2016.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 13:07:58 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 11:11:41 2016.

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If only.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 17 13:31:07 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 11:11:41 2016.

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Cute photo, two friends.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by chuchubob on Tue May 17 14:05:15 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 02:59:06 2016.

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Saratoga & North Creek

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:25:52 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:28:13 2016.

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A certain pencilneck who can't appreciate some interesting photos and instead goes off on who posted it. But then what else could anyone expect from you?

Hey ... how about those pics to show Salaam how cool you are? That'll do.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:30:46 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:28:40 2016.

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Awwwww ... poor fella. :)

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:31:24 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 07:31:32 2016.

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Yeah, that's the ticket. Excellent work! :)

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:34:03 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 17 10:26:55 2016.

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Heh. So you still couldn't figure out how to work google, huh?

OK, sport ... your work done FOR you.

http://blog.timesunion.com/realestate/abandoned-rail-cars-in-north-creek/15264/

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:36:27 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:26:25 2016.

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That's the Saratoga and North Creek mainline.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 17 22:39:39 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue May 17 10:24:25 2016.

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Thanks for the info. but, oh gross!
What humiliation for a distinguished piece of the BMT fleet...

My parents were traveling somewhere upstate, and stopped to take a picture or slide of it for me.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:07:11 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:34:03 2016.

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That's not a real article.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:08:00 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:25:52 2016.

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So in other words you have no proff whatsoever that the cars are abandoned and can't cite any reason that they would be. As I figured.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:08:26 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 22:36:17 2016.

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And the story behind it is...?

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:09:28 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:31:24 2016.

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Thank you. This is just one more example of something train-related that you are wrong about.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:09:52 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:30:46 2016.

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Just telling it like it is. It's a really dumb thread.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:10:57 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 17 17:36:27 2016.

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So........? Abandoned? LOL!!!!

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:16:33 2016, in response to Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 16 20:15:39 2016.

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Interesting. Thank you.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 27 07:40:19 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 07:16:33 2016.

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Yes, it is interesting that he could be so incorrect.

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Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Jul 27 12:22:29 2016, in response to Re: Abandoned Lackawanna train in North Creek, NY, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 27 00:09:28 2016.

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I'm amazed that these beautiful cars haven't been striped for all the metal as most places like this are, great photography thanks for posting. Karl

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