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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:10:57 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:08:40 2015.

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And you're pissing us off. Keep it up. :)

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:11:28 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:09:36 2015.

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My name isn't stimpy.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:11:46 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:10:57 2015.

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Can you like hurry the fuck up with the liquor?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:12:01 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:11:46 2015.

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Sure.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:12:08 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:05:11 2015.

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And you're a board member? You represent the museum? Very mature.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:13:23 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:10:57 2015.

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Once again, instead of conversing intelligently, you ignore my point. Classy.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:13:41 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:12:08 2015.

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So a person can't have a little fun? That's not cool.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:15:04 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:12:01 2015.

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Never mind, tell the museum to put that cash towards Roberts expenses, file a few form at H&R Block, say it's work related and claim reimbursement.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:15:33 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:13:41 2015.

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There is a difference between "a little fun" and responding to serious concerns with a response like that. He needs to grow up.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:15:42 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:13:41 2015.

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Not when you are supposed to be representing the place on a public forum.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:15:50 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:13:23 2015.

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And where is that apology you owe those three men? Until you apologize, I don't owe you any intelligent conversation.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:16:01 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:15:42 2015.

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Agreed.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:16:32 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:16:01 2015.

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Jesus Christ..... What has this thread become?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:16:53 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:15:33 2015.

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You might need to look yourself in the mirror sport.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:17:47 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:08:40 2015.

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Listen, this has gone on enough. So a guy got upset that he got kicked out. Whatever. Doesn't even matter anymore.

Point is this: There exists a group of individuals who travel up to three hours to the museum regularly who are passionate about what they do. They work hard. We all do. They believe in what they have accomplished and have ideas and plans to do more. Say what you or others will, but they try and stand by what they do. You're entitled to your beliefs and ideas and that's fine. So you think the place should close and the collection sold off. Fine. Good. That's your opinion and frankly I don't care. What I care about is that this place grows and that the dedicated group behind the effort continues to grow strong. If the group go down trying, so be it.

But one thing, however. Don't belittle the efforts that have taken place there as of late. If you have so much experience, why not share it with the group? Why not teach them to be "better?" Help them. Encourage them. And if not, then get out of the way and let them try.

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Re: CJ is the self proclaimed ambassador for TMNY

Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:17:53 2015, in response to The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 22:25:57 2015.

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Insert financial statements here.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:18:16 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:15:42 2015.

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This public forum experiences similar conversations from other users on a daily basis. This thread going crazy isn't nothing new.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:18:50 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:16:53 2015.

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I have responded to every post here in a serious manner. You haven't. Grow up.

TMNY is burning some MAJOR bridges right now.

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Re: Turbo, how is the alcohol poisoning going?

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:19:05 2015, in response to Re: CJ is the self proclaimed ambassador for TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:17:53 2015.

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Insert throw up here.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 23:19:17 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:07:44 2015.

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Now who might you be exactly???

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:19:17 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:16:32 2015.

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Reason to volunteer, donate, and fuck'em. :(

When you whiz on the electric fence, it's an inspiration to others.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:20:25 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:17:47 2015.

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Amen. I got cheesed off when they attacked Mike Hanna. One of the very dedicated few who shouldn't even be doing that much work at his age. If it weren't for Mike, there'd be nothing.

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Re: Turbo, how is the alcohol poisoning going?

Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 23:20:37 2015, in response to Re: Turbo, how is the alcohol poisoning going?, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:19:05 2015.

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Disregard that, you puss

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:21:24 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:18:50 2015.

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If what's been going on in this thread represents those bridges, I've got a few thousand gallons of jet fuel. :(

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:21:39 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:18:50 2015.

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I'm still waiting for that apology...

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:21:40 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:17:47 2015.

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I have in fact taught plenty of them. I have helped up there as well. Despite having quite a lot to teach, my efforts were futile.



Be careful about which bridges you burn. Be very careful.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:22:12 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 23:19:17 2015.

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That, is not for public consumption.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:23:25 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:20:25 2015.

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Mike Hanna isn't happy with TMNY. At least he wasn't last week.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:23:57 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:21:39 2015.

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For what? Expressing my opinion?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:24:10 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:20:25 2015.

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Agreed. If it weren't for him, none of what we have today would be around to even exist. A very wise man indeed.

Personally, trying to rebuke misinformation to some here is exhausting. No wonder why so many people leave this place. I am thinking to do the same.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:25:39 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:21:40 2015.

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Apologize to the people who's names you've slandered or go fuck yourself. I've asked a few times for you to apologize to them and now I'm getting a little meaner.

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Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces

Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:25:55 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 23:00:49 2015.

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Uh, no McGinty. That is not what happened.

Risely gave me keys to the museum - not McGinty. When McGinty learned that, he posted in his "secret-secret" FB page that he will not allow a non-trustee to have keys to the museum. He was so jealous and upset that he said that if I don't immediately return the keys TO HIM I will be excluded from the group.

I said to him, Risely gave me the keys, not you. So if she orders me to return them, I told him, I will return them DIRECTLY to her. NOONE ELSE. And that's what happened. No keys went missing due to me. Risely kept several sets of keys and she gave me a set of keys to several things on the property.

But what happened was that one of the other members, Arjun, also took his own set of keys from her office when he saw that I had received keys. That was the missing set. I made him return them. McGinty saw his chance. When I refused to knuckle under to his bullying, he said that I had taken that missing set! He didn't punish Arjun. However, ALL KEYS were returned to the president with my cooperation and from my instructions to Arjun.

In hindsight, this is what I should have done: either refused the keys, or deferred to another volunteer. Or applied for a trusteeship, which requires a board vote, unlikely with McGinty there. I was still friendly with Garces and Pagan then.

Anytime someone offers you something, that is a red flag.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:26:16 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:24:10 2015.

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And Mike Hanna echoes many of my sentiments. Just to let you know.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:26:51 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:25:39 2015.

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Where have a slandered anyone's name? I was addressing them, and providing hard facts. No slander. Grow up.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:27:31 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:23:25 2015.

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I'm seeing why. :(

With all the nonsense I'm reading here, I'd pull the EBV too. Do you guys have ANY clue as to the absolute wealth that man has as far as history, skills, and ability to get something done? I can definitely understand it now given the horror show I've just sat through.

You guys and gals need to get it right with Mike ... seriously. I can understand why he got vexed over all the stupid if what I'm reading is in any way real. I'd flip y'all off too.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:30:11 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:20:25 2015.

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I never attacked Hanna. Risely told me that if Hanna did not cooperate with opening up the R-4, she would ask him to resign from the board. Risely and Garces constantly talked about how Hanna was gonna die soon. One time Hanna came over and said he would come back later, but didn't. Garces said that omission proved Hanna was senile and on account of that did not remember his promise to return.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:31:48 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:23:25 2015.

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I heard they secretly voted him off the board while he was undergoing cancer treatment. How do you think they got the "new management" there?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:32:05 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:24:10 2015.

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The ONE thing this place needs more than ever before is a dedicated group that can just ignore the rising water and put it in parallel to GTFO the waterfalls.

Only reason I've hung on here is to spite the morons. Suggest more do so as well. :)

Mike was a legend at the teeyay ... to diss him is already many steps too far. To see him painting up 825 all by himself was sad. I'm kinda stuck with no free time to get on down there, but that alone was an inspiration to me. Mike isn't in great health these days, but to see him go beyond the pale was an inspiration. Should be for others as well.

Eventually, the electric power situation can get resolved. I saw Mike and others bonding the rails, and getting stuff ready. That's hard stuff and there he was, as always, giving it his all.

Foamers love to whine and complain and offer pie in the sky. Mike MADE that pie ... feel me?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:32:07 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:26:51 2015.

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Apparently you must have Alzheimers.

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1378536

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1378603

Plus it's clear you're sill on ren's jock. Before you say you don't care, prove that you aren't covering for ren or shut up.



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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:32:31 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 23:23:57 2015.

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http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1378646

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:34:21 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:32:07 2015.

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Who are you that anyone has to prove anything to you?

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:36:37 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:30:11 2015.

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Seriously ... I don't want to hear it. That R4 was Mike's own dedicated piece of work, much as a few others there have their own car that's special to them. Won't name names. I have no idea, nor do I care, about the intrigue behind the scenes. Got to see more than enough of that at Branford between the RT folks and the trolley jollies.

Mike will go to his grave (eventually) with the love and care not only for his own favorite car, but the others such as the BQ&T streetcar. That's dedication, and I respect Mike for all he's done over MANY years. Screw with Mike, and you're screwing with ME.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:37:55 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:32:05 2015.

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Mike is a legend indeed. Even at his age, he still stands for what he believes in.

I've been told from others that he is rarely seen smiling. The last time I was up there however, we saw him crack a smile. Seeing him doing that when seeing the progress done was a great feeling. :)

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:39:00 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 25 23:36:37 2015.

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Well then that has to mean Garces and Risely. That Facebook post about his having passed came from TMNY. That's what he told me.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:39:20 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:34:21 2015.

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A person who has respect for people, something you clearly don't have.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:40:54 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:39:20 2015.

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Oh I have it, buster! Just not for backstabbers and liars.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:42:01 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 23:37:55 2015.

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I see those pictures and I can see why he would be smiling. You guys are doing an outstanding job up there. It really kills me I'm over a thousand miles away, otherwise I'd be helping too. :)

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 23:42:50 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 23:40:54 2015.

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Very good to hear...

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Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces

Posted by MTA T on Fri Dec 25 23:49:20 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:12:28 2015.

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Lmao "Could care less" implies that you give a damn.

Grammar bro.

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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces)

Posted by Strike_Mark on Fri Dec 25 23:51:44 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 23:31:48 2015.

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That's just beyond low.

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