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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 5 18:42:17 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 17:25:48 2015. As a footnote, there was a major fire in an AT&T/Illinois Bell joint facility in Hinsdale IINM during the 80s. One of the reasons the fire was so destructive is that the battery power continued to power the arcing/shorting after the CBs on the incoming commercial power had tripped. One description indicated melted plastic wire insulation was inches deep in the basement. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 19:14:29 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Dec 3 14:19:28 2015. Despite other definitions that have been given, I think the most sensible meaning for "warp factor" would be the ratio of light-minutes covered (in a reference frame with the galaxy as a whole at rest) to elapsed minutes of the ship's proper time (or light-hours to hours, etc.) On this scale, warp 1 = 70.71% of c, warp 2 = 89.44% c, etc. In general, warp n = sin(arctan(n)) c. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 19:20:28 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 19:14:29 2015. How could that then be FTL if it's slower than c? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 19:38:32 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 19:20:28 2015. It's not. That is assuming that the limits of special relativity are limits that there is no way around. If there are space-time bubbles of the sort I suggested before, which allow travel to effectively be faster than light, then I guess that scale wouldn't be too useful. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:48:24 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 18:33:04 2015. You know it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:49:33 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 18:39:28 2015. Agreed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:50:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 18:31:24 2015. There's nothing wrong with necroposting as long as it is relevant to the thread. In fact, it is encouraged and commendable. You do not need to explain yourself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:50:52 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 18:30:01 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 19:51:28 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 19:38:32 2015. But I thought we were talking about Star Trek, where Warp 10 is the limit. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 20:02:30 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 19:51:28 2015. It's just something I thought of a number of years ago, and thought I would share. I guess it doesn't really work with Star Trek. (If warp speed depended only on relativistic time dilation, they might return to Earth after the five-year mission to find that centuries had elapsed in their absence!) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 5 20:33:54 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 19:14:29 2015. In general, warp n = sin(arctan(n)) c.That sounds pretty elaborate. sin(arctan(n)) is just n/[(n^2+1)^0.5] |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 5 23:10:45 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Dec 5 18:42:17 2015. Murray Hill fire in NYC was the same story. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 5 23:22:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 19:51:28 2015. That's only because they didn't have German engineering to up the trilithium manifold. Or at least adjust the results. :) |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 6 05:20:42 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 5 20:33:54 2015. Yeah, I thought there was an algebraic equivalent, I just didn't bother working out what it was. My version is easier to type, or enter into a (scientific) calculator, even if it internally involves more calculations (and potential for round-off error). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 6 05:48:59 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 6 05:20:42 2015. Round-off errors are just nature's way of saying "all math is contrived" and made to fit. :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 6 09:34:19 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 6 05:48:59 2015. Ludicrous |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 6 18:16:50 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 17:39:45 2015. Random musing having nothing to do with the main topic at hand, but denial at contradicting evidence is how most people work. It takes an overwhelming amount of evidence to change anyone's belief once it has been established. In addition to having a solid argument, the hurdles of confirmation bias and pride must be overcome. It's far easier to instill beliefs into those who haven't given the topic much thought, than to try and change anyone's mind. Thus the reason debates exist, and why jurors shouldn't have any preexisting knowledge of the trial they are deliberating. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 18:20:36 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 6 18:16:50 2015. Excellent post.NOTE: I accept that your argument could be used to condemn my position, but it could also be used to condemn the other side too, so all is good. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 6 19:08:48 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 5 18:32:17 2015. Actually the first time I saw film of a woman undergoing a C-section wide awake and talking to the nurses as they inserted the needles, I was blown away. (Michelangelo Antonioni's documentary on China) Some 15 years later, I had several acupuncture sessions for pain in my elbows/forearms. The pain went away. YMMV, but as it worked for me, belief is not an issue. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Dec 6 19:29:17 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 18:20:36 2015. Thanks, I wasn't intending to condemn either position, I just happened to realize it while reading through this discussion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 19:58:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 6 19:08:48 2015. You could do acupuncture on me, it could make the pain go away, and I still wouldn't believe it worked.I once saw a film where an alien burst through someone's chest. That didn't happen in real life either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 6 22:13:48 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 19:58:38 2015. "I once saw a film where an alien burst through someone's chest."Must have been some unknown underground indie film. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 6 22:44:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 19:58:38 2015. Right.So obviously,you are a complete,and Total humanist. You put on a great show,just to impress the masses...And to front about how Grounded you are...but to someone like Me..I KNOW FOR A FACT IT AND YOU are Total Bullshit. So,whatever works for You..its ALL good..but Please Spare us the sanctimonious irrefutable logic crap. Its lame as hell,and it makes you appear to be innane and silly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:03:23 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 6 22:44:40 2015. Um, yes. I am a humanist. So what? That is not at all pejorative. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 6 23:40:08 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 19:58:38 2015. You really think that a film like the one described by Jackson Park B Train would have been staged with actors? Why would it be? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:42:58 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Dec 6 23:40:08 2015. I was referring to the likelihood that they weren't using only acupuncture, but that the video was presented as such.But come to think of it, it could have been completely staged. Why not? There are some people who would be fooled by supposed video evidence. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 6 23:55:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:42:58 2015.  And yes, Faux News claimed that rioting blacks in Ferguson beheaded a bystander. :-\ |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Dec 7 01:42:57 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:42:58 2015. What else could they have been using that would produce the result described: that she was awake and talking while being cut open? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Dec 7 06:35:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Dec 7 01:42:57 2015. What else could they have been using that would produce the result described: that she was awake and talking while being cut open?Regional anesthesia, like most C sections. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Dec 7 07:26:46 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Dec 7 06:35:15 2015. Oh. I'll admit I didn't know that they were done that way. But it still seems unlikely to me that the film in question deliberately misrepresented the situation. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 7 08:39:59 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Dec 7 07:26:46 2015. Yes, they are done that way. If you don't know much background about what you are watching then you can easily be fooled. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 7 08:53:01 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Dec 7 07:26:46 2015. Why does it seem unlikely to you? And it didn't even have to be deliberate. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 7 09:05:52 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 6 23:55:40 2015. Lol...Yes yes...we did an excellent job of casting those dark people in bad light... Yes yes yes...we Told YOU that happened..with out actually showing you...and you guys just ate it right up. Yes yes..my evil plan to take over the world is finally coming to fruition..followed quickly by my ultimate mission...kill Lois...do in the fatman...let Meg and the RETARDED one live so they can serve me... Yes yes...it Will work! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 7 09:13:51 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:03:23 2015. No..but it lends to exactly what Ive said About Being a HUMANIST...and what that means for eveyone.else. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 7 09:17:46 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 6 23:03:23 2015. No..but it lends to exactly what Ive said About Being a HUMANIST...and what that means for eveyone.else.EVERYTHING YOU SAY is.geared towards.... Well...we'll just watch the 🔥...and toss water when it burns too hot. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 22 23:22:50 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Dec 1 21:46:34 2015. That is not to say that all claims of abduction are legitimate. I am sure that there are some who believe they were abducted and are certifiably nuts. There is also the possibility that the process of being abducted made them nuts.Defects in the brain’s wiring make us easy prey for conspiracy theories based on weak evidence. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Dec 23 00:24:25 2015, in response to Re: BrooklynBus actually believes in alien abductions, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 22 23:22:50 2015. I read on SubChat that Dorothy Kilgallen rode the Atlantic Avenue elevator and then somehow ended up in the 76 St Station and was then abducted by aliens. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 23 00:39:03 2015, in response to Re: BrooklynBus actually believes in alien abductions, posted by northshore on Wed Dec 23 00:24:25 2015. Are you sure? Reread the whole thread. There may be more than meets the eye. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Dec 23 22:39:32 2015, in response to Re: BrooklynBus actually believes in alien abductions, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 22 23:22:50 2015. Hey TS, a good Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man" is on Decades this Friday. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 24 09:33:26 2015, in response to Re: BrooklynBus actually believes in alien abductions, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Dec 23 22:39:32 2015. That same episode, and every episode of the classic Twilight Zone is on both Netflix and Hulu now and every other day. |
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