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2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ? |
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Posted by edp128128 on Fri Nov 27 21:36:58 2015 Naturally the MTA posted the Sunday Shoppers Special for Sundays on their website without posting the actual schedule. Does anyone have that available? |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Fri Nov 27 21:58:37 2015, in response to 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by edp128128 on Fri Nov 27 21:36:58 2015. Same as the past couple of years:Leaves 2nd Avenue at the following times (within a minute or two): 10 AM, 11:30 AM, 1:00 PM, 2:30 PM, 4:00 PM 5:30 PM = Departs for 207th Street Yard Leaves Queens Plaza at the following times (within a minute or two): 10:45 AM, 12:15 PM, 1:45 PM, 3:15 PM, 4:45 PM. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 20:55:45 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Fri Nov 27 21:58:37 2015. Why not post the exact times? |
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Posted by priya12 on Sat Nov 28 21:53:52 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 20:55:45 2015. He doesn't have them |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 22:03:32 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Sat Nov 28 21:53:52 2015. And therein lies the rub. I rest my case. Thank you. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Nov 28 23:24:00 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Fri Nov 27 21:58:37 2015. What I like about these runs is that they operate as a normal train, and it feels like they never left. When I rode the BMT Centennial at Brighton this summer it didn't feel quite like that, it felt more like an operating display. I guess that is all it really was. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 29 16:16:17 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by zac on Sat Nov 28 23:24:00 2015. Judging from those videos, the Triplexes can really move! |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sun Nov 29 18:14:09 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 20:55:45 2015. I just got an email from the New York Transit Museum, and the times that they released are the same as what I posted. Keep in mind that, on the road, things can happen, between the "E" trains coming from Jackson Heights, the "F" trains coming from Brooklyn, etc. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 18:20:00 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sun Nov 29 18:14:09 2015. try this |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 18:31:12 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 18:20:00 2015. The schedule came out little small, sorry.Try to zoom it up and then print it out. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 19:31:50 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 18:20:00 2015. Is that the schedule released for this year or is that from a past year? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 19:39:12 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sun Nov 29 18:14:09 2015. Yes, I see that. But since the exact times are slightly different, it would benefit the railfans here to know the exact times in case, for example, they are running a tad late and would otherwise think they missed the train when it doesn't actually leave until 2 minutes after the time you posted. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 19:58:35 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 19:31:50 2015. IIRC, that is this years's (2015).When i rode the train last year, we waited at 34th for the train and it was 6 or 7 minutes late. Regular trains came by first, so we waited. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 29 20:47:12 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 19:39:12 2015. I made the timetable for the Diamond Jubilee Lo-V special in 1979 and was told that the existence of the supplement timetable was merely an authorization for the train to run and that as an extra, it didn’t really have to adhere to the exact times printed. You have to keep that in mind, since, if the road is delayed for any reason, the road train must get preference and the extra has to wait. If you take a close look, you will see that the supplement schedule only contains the times for the special train and not the “normal” trains operating before during and after it which a standard supplement timetable would have. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 21:08:54 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Nov 29 19:58:35 2015. Ok... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 21:10:24 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 29 20:47:12 2015. Yes, I know. But generally the train does not leave BEFORE the supplement times so it's a good indicator |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 14:43:35 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 29 21:10:24 2015. I agree, but one of the posters mentioned that he might think he missed the train if it were on time only to find out it was late. Actually, in certain circumstances on a supplement a train can leave ahead of its scheduled time if that is how the supplement is arranged. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 16:11:23 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 14:43:35 2015. Especially if it gets turned into a gap train. :) |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 02:54:13 2015, in response to 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by edp128128 on Fri Nov 27 21:36:58 2015. For those interested---Arrival and Departure Times for the Holiday Train is as follows: Leave 2nd Avenue at - 10:05A, 11:33A, 1:03P, 2:33P, and 4:03P Leave Queens Plaza at - 10:44A, 12:14P, 1:44P, 3:14P, and 4:44P Additional Notes--- Holiday Train to depart Pitkin Yard at 7:30A and run lite to 2nd Av; Upon arrival at 2nd Av on B6 Track, D Types will be cut from the train and used for an exhibit/gift shop; 8 R1/9's to operate as scheduled; Holiday Vintage Train Service on B6 Track ONLY! B6 is considered OOS and restricted to SPECIAL MOVEMENTS for the duration of this G.O.; Call on signal to be given to Museum Train prior to entering B6, and a Dispatcher will supervise the operation at 2nd Avenue; This is something not done previously and is worth noting here. Upon completion of the trips, D Types and R1/9's will be coupled together and sent to Pitkin Yard for storage. For Transit Museum Guests Only, 12/13/15 : Guests will be permitted to ride the Excursion Train (D Types and R1/9's) after the completion of the scheduled trips; will operate from 2nd Avenue to the NYTM. After the discharge of guests at the Museum, Excursion Train will be laid up at Pitkin Yard. Itineraries subject to change at the discretion of Management! -Stef |
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F Train Service (2015 Shoppers Special Schedule) |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 03:40:01 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 02:54:13 2015. Now I think I see what could be the reason for the T/D at 2nd Avenue, besides the Gift Shop on B6.Some F's will operate on the weekends of 12/13 and 12/20 between 179th St and 2nd Ave. While the Museum Train is running, those extra F's will only be able to turn back on B5 Track. Very interesting indeed. -Stef |
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A-C-D Train Service (2015 Shoppers Special Schedule) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Dec 4 08:35:40 2015, in response to F Train Service (2015 Shoppers Special Schedule), posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 03:40:01 2015. And also, which could be some interesting moves going uptown during those same two weekends (12/13 and 12/20), as northbound "D" trains will operate along the 8th Avenue line as locals from West 4th Street to 145th Street. Thus, causing them to switch over past Broadway-Lafayette, and then again south of West 4th Street onto A2 track, sharing with the "E"."A" & "C" trains will operate as northbound expressess along A4 track, and between Canal Street and 145th Street. On the weekend of 12/27, the "D" will be split in two sections: 205th Street-34th Street and Atlantic/Pacific-Coney Island. Everything else is normal, per se. -William A. Padron ["Sixth Av.-34th St."] |
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Re: A-C-D Train Service (2015 Shoppers Special Schedule) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 4 08:46:06 2015, in response to A-C-D Train Service (2015 Shoppers Special Schedule), posted by William A. Padron on Fri Dec 4 08:35:40 2015. Some of those G. Os are simply fascinating. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 4 09:16:02 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 02:54:13 2015. Thanks. So how does one become a Transit Museum Guest on 12/13/2015? |
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Posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 11:36:19 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 4 09:16:02 2015. The event is called Subway Swing: A Nostalgia Boogie for the Ages, to be held 12/13/15 from 5:30P to 8:30P. It's an after hours event to be held at the Museum. Currently advertised as SOLD OUT on NYTM's web site.Calendar of Events -Stef |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 4 14:35:17 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 11:36:19 2015. Thanks. They should have a paid ride back to the TM with just the triplexes on one of the other Sundays. I'd pay $10 for the privilege. |
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Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 4 18:54:50 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 02:54:13 2015. Is it wise as an employee to take this information and post it on a message board? Isn't a General Order an internal document? |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Dec 4 20:07:10 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 4 18:54:50 2015. 
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Posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 02:04:53 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 4 18:54:50 2015. You raise a valid concern. It's debatable. Let me explain:The Railfan in me just loves this stuff. I've volunteered at three Museums and enjoyed every bit of it. The hands on experience, the history of the Subway, being able to share my hobby with others....It's a wonderful thing! When I posted the info it was with the intent of being able to share with others my passion, my enthusiasm. Railfans like myself will soak it all in. I want to know where this old train is going! What route, what time, what equipment is involved. The info was intended to be useful for those that like to see the old gals on the move. I think that I wanted to bring exposure to the preservation movement. The persons involved with the operation of the old equipment and those that maintain it should be commended for their dedication; for without these folks cars like 381 would still be sitting in dead storage at Coney Island Yard waiting for the big day when it finally turned a wheel! Hey, if you see someone operating the Excursion Train (or others), thank 'em! They helped to bring life back to a piece of the past. As a dedicated Worker for which I am, I may need to reconsider my stance on posting information such as this. I certainly don't intend to step on anyone's toes and I don't want ANYONE stepping on mine! If revealing the Holiday Train's routing was a bad thing, then I probably shouldn't have disclosed information about the BMT Celebration. I'll close with this: Is routing information a top secret thing? I guess it depends on who you speak to! -Stef FYI, I'm not upset about this....Just thinking very loudly right about now. |
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Posted by priya12 on Sat Dec 5 06:40:34 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 02:04:53 2015. I appreciate your reply. You really don't owe me any explaination. I was just curious, as I know how the TA can be. I'd hate to see someone, especially as dedicated as you, get into any trouble for something so silly. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 5 09:16:51 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 02:04:53 2015. Kudos to the good folks who look after those old timers. It's a labor of love. Can't wait for 103 to join in the fun! |
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Posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 11:40:00 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Sat Dec 5 06:40:34 2015. Thank You for your consideration.I'd like to think that there are things far more sensitive out there than the info on the routing of a Historical Museum Train, but that's just me. I will still have to be mindful of what I post especially in times such as these. -Stef |
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Posted by YoungNYCSubwayFan on Sat Dec 5 15:14:29 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 02:04:53 2015. In my opinion, the routing information should not be "top secret", since the evidence is not only seen in the YouTube clips, but can also be found in the Track Map book as well...In addition, there are some other things out there which should be kept "top secret" compared to the routing information. Again, this is just my opinion... |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 5 15:23:01 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Fri Dec 4 02:54:13 2015. Interesting. Why Pitkin instead of 207th? Inaccessible due to a G/O in upper Manhattan? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 5 15:25:58 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 5 15:23:01 2015. Also, I'm assuming it'll use the diamonds north of West 4th Lower for the reverse move. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 5 16:52:21 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 5 02:04:53 2015. if the General Orders are FoIL-able they are not sensitive information... I get this question a lot, I maintain a few applications containing NYS financial data... but the data being reported is all allowed to be released by FoIL [basically budget & spending information], so we don't need to require crazy hoops to allow employees to access it from outside work. Compared to health, tax, and police data, which is extremely sensitive and has a significant number of barriers between the outside world and the applications (and for that matter, the physical equipment)... |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Dec 5 18:23:38 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 4 18:54:50 2015. I doubt there is anything secret about the schedule for the holiday nostalgia train.On the other hand, the advance information about the recent Billy Strayhorn special may have been something the TA preferred not to make public. One press release claimed they were not releasing information about where and when the train would run due to concerns about possible overcrowding. But neither the train nor the platforms at 145th St. were actually overcrowded. Probably, they didn't mind having the information released to a niche audience like that of SubChat. 145th St. was a good choice for where to start (and end) that train for two reasons: (1) the double-width uptown platform on the lower level helps avoid overcrowding; that is where the band played before boarding the train. And (2) 145th St. is probably the station that Mr. Strayhorn had in mind as the destination to take the A train to; that is where "Sugar Hill" begins, according to Wikipedia. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:41:27 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by priya12 on Sat Dec 5 06:40:34 2015. Transit workers have been posting GO information here for many many years and no one has ever reported getting in trouble. |
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Posted by priya12 on Sat Dec 5 20:11:15 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 5 19:41:27 2015. That's good to know. Not trying to cause a stir. Was just curious. |
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Posted by Stef on Sun Dec 6 01:10:27 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 5 15:23:01 2015. Track Work at 207th St Yard, Sandy related work on the yard leads.-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Sun Dec 6 01:23:55 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 5 15:25:58 2015. I agree with your notion mostly, but can they reverse back into B6 beyond the switch at 2nd Av (going from B2 to B6)? Can't recall this.-Stef |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Dec 6 16:50:18 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by Stef on Sun Dec 6 01:23:55 2015. I'm not sure what you're talking about. B5 and B6 split off from B1 and B2, then there's a diamond between them outside 2nd Avenue. B5 and B6 are tail tracks through the station.The only way I can think of to have a southbound train run to 2nd Avenue, couple up with a car already parked on one of the tail tracks, then head for Pitkin is to reverse on B4 north of the West 4th Street diamonds. |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Dec 7 00:27:06 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Dec 6 16:50:18 2015. I wasn't specific, sorry.The question was: if the Excursion Train is travelling northbound to 2nd Avenue from Pitkin Yard, could it reverse north of the station on B2 (then proceed into B6)? If it cannot reverse north of 2nd Av on B2, then it would have to travel to north of West 4th St to turn on one of the express tracks. -Stef |
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Posted by transitbuff on Mon Dec 7 09:12:10 2015, in response to Re: 2015 Shoppers Special Schedule ?, posted by zac on Sat Nov 28 23:24:00 2015. I completely agree. |
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