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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 16 23:41:31 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 20:20:23 2015. You made a mountain by saying BB's writing is "dangerous". There is nothing dangerous about using the definite article when I should have used the indefinite article. It was a small error. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 16 23:46:46 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 16 23:41:31 2015. It wasn't an error. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:05:50 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 16 23:46:46 2015. Now your on my side?Saying "the big northeast blackout" implies only one. I consider that to be an error, although it doesn't make the statement untrue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:08:28 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 16 23:41:25 2015. I know you meant a swipe at me, but I still don't see how you can interpret it as a swipe. It was an accusation that I made an error by making the post. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:18:17 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 16 23:41:07 2015. Yeah a real intelligent response when you have no answer.Further, I don't believe the survey was even random but biased toward young people because I do not see proof that the ages of the respondents match the general age population. I say this because If you phone several thousand people, there is a greater likelihood that a younger person will take the time to complete the survey because older people know that surveys like this are mostly a waste of time since they only tend to prove what they set out to prove. When I was younger, I answered virtually every survey I was asked. Now I only respond to about ten percent of them, the ones that can be completed in three minutes or less. I believe if someone wants more time, I deserve to be paid for it. Young people do not think that way. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 17 07:17:29 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 14 20:58:47 2015. Exactly:It was questioned whether or not that was the true story. There have been many over the years who believe she was killed in one way or another regardless of whether or not that was true or how it was originally reported was true. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 08:11:15 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 17 07:17:29 2015. Correct. But we have those here who automatically dismiss any contrary thinking as "hairbrained conspiracy theorists" just because they have a closed mind and are unable to process any thoughts contrary to their own. No one is saying this contrary thinking is true, just that it be given fair consideration and not automatically dismissed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 08:14:30 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 11 12:44:16 2015. I merely asked a question. There is no crime in that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:43:44 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:05:50 2015. Nothing has changed. Please follow along. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:44:22 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 16 23:41:31 2015. I didn't make a mountain. I made a simple statement. You made a mountain. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:46:42 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 08:14:30 2015. It was a loaded question. Don't play dumb. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:47:12 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 08:11:15 2015. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:08:16 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:43:44 2015. +1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:09:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:08:28 2015. It was a light accusation. Not sufficient for you to take offense. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:56:20 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 00:18:17 2015. I can't answer because I'm on my phone and did not feel like dragging out a computer for a more detailed response. But that would have been the first sentence. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:56:58 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:47:12 2015. IAWTLOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:58:49 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 08:11:15 2015. Have you ever thought that maybe I call it a hairbrained conspiracy theory because I did look at the contrary evidence and decided that it was bullshit for idiots?And don't be a hypocrite. If anyone has a closed mind, it's you. The Atlantic elevator thread is the classical example. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:16:31 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:58:49 2015. Then why don't you explain to us why this alternate theory regarding Dorothy Killgallen's death makes no sense. Some of us would be interested in hearing why.And not noticing an elevator because I didn't realize that large "elevator" signage has been replaced by small wheelchair symbols does not indicate a closed mind. I am not handicapped, Thank God, and my first instinct was not to look for a wheelchair symbol. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:18:23 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:56:20 2015. We have all the time in the world to wait until you have the time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:19:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:43:44 2015. What in the world are you talking about? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:20:36 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:09:15 2015. It certainly didn't seem light to me, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:22:46 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 08:44:22 2015. Calling someone's writing "dangerous" over a minor error certainly is making a mountain out of a molehill. And Spider Pig didn't even consider te use of "the" instead of "a" even to be an error. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:52:13 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:16:31 2015. Because she was an alcoholic and it makes perfect sense that she ODed. OTOH there is no Kennedy conspiracy, so why would she have to be killed over it? If the conspiracy theories were right, why would she have to be killed and not any of the other believers?The closed-mindedness comes from the fact that it took a long goddamn thread for you to finally believe us that there are elevators. If you were open-minded, that thread would have been three posts long. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:53:05 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:18:23 2015. You consider this that important?If you're so short on time, why did you post that long, irrelevant criticism of the survey? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:53:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:20:36 2015. Then you're thin-skinned. That's your problem. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 17 11:21:38 2015, in response to Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 9 13:28:14 2015. I was 9 months old and living with my parents and older brother in the Morris Heights section of the Bronx. My mother used to tell me about the '65 blackout. My father, who was 36 then, had finished work for the day and had gone to his night accounting class at CCNY. When the power went out, he couldn't call home because none of the pay phones worked. He ended up waiting a few hours and then walking home from CCNY to our Bronx apartment. My mother was panic stricken as she had two small children, so she ran upstairs to a neighbor. My father came home around 1 am. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 17 11:28:00 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:52:13 2015. This conspiratory theory began because of what she was investigating, as well as the circumstances of her death. The autopsy showed that her blood contained a cocktail of drugs. However, she had a full and untouched alcholic drink near her that was loaded with Nembutol. Whether or not she made that drink and took the drugs found in her system- or someone else did it for her- will be the subject of endless debate- just like 76th Street! |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 17 11:31:19 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 17 11:28:00 2015. One more thing- there was no Nembutol found in her system. The drink had never been touched. So, either someone drugged her and killed her, or she did it herself. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 12:53:48 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:52:13 2015. I don't see any relationship with someone being an alcoholic and someone ODing. What does one thing have to do with the other?Also, she was investigating something about the Kennedy's. You automatically assume it had something to do with the assassination so you automatically discount the fact that she could have been murdered. No one stated anything about the Kennedy assassination. You are just jumping to conclusions. What I heard was that she was about to reveal something personal about the Kennedy's, either Robert or John. Perhaps that John was creating on Jackie or that he had an affair with Marilyn, or something about Robert. The fact remains that you have your mind made up and when someone introduces something contrary to your beliefs, you just immediately dismiss it and try to discredit it rather than objectively analyzing it. As fat as the elevators, I am not going to search old posts to find out why the thread was long. It's just not worth it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:02:26 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:53:05 2015. The criticism of the survey wasn't irrelevant but to the point.You stated it was a fact that nearly half the adult US population believes in creationism. I thought the figure would be much lower like a percentage in the 20s or 30s. So you cited a study showing 46% who believe in creationism to support your point. Then you state that is only one example how i am wrong most of the time. When I tear apart the study's as possibly being faulty, all of a sudden, my criticisms of it become irrelevant. So yes, I consider it that important when someone uses possibly faulty data where the numbers appear suspicious to justify a claim that I am wrong most of the time and calls me old and senile to boot just because I disagree with you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:07:39 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 12:53:48 2015. I don't see any relationship with someone being an alcoholic and someone ODing. What does one thing have to do with the other?People who don’t drink or use drugs don’t overdose on alcohol and drugs. That it was not about the assassination is even more outlandish. In order to be plausible it would have to be something someone would be willing to commit murder over. I do objectively analyze everything. The problem is that people like you are gullible and naïve and believe everything that’s weakly asserted until “disproven.” The problem is that it doesn’t work that way; it is up to the person making an assertion to prove it and not the other way around. None of the conspiracy theorists have ever come up with anything that isn’t implausible bullshit for one reason or another. It would make no sense to pick them apart one by one, there are plenty of people who have already done that and whose work I’ve read. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:14:10 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 10:53:38 2015. That is also your opinion and I don't believe that to be the case also. I just get annoyed that so many of you doubt so many statements I make, constantly asking for proof, knowing full well how difficult it is to find proof for things that happened 30 years ago. No one else here is asked for so much proof.Here is another one: Ronnie Hakim was just appointed NYCT President. I used to work with her when she first started at Transit around 1985 as a legal apprentice in the Law Department. She either just obtained her law degree or was still studying for the bar. Let's see who is the first person to call me a liar and ask for proof, stating I have no business mentioning it unless I can present proof to back it up. I doubt that she would remember me. I even remember the name of the lawyer she was working for because he would send me to see her when he was too busy himself to review the contracts with me. I probably met with her at least a dozen times. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:16:02 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:02:26 2015. The details are irrelevant because as I already pointed out, the numbers are between 40% and 50% consistently. This was just a random survey I found by Googling. The others have similar numbers.So apparently your whole point is that if a majority of people believe in something, it is likely right? That is bullshit. I never stated that the creationism study is proof that you are wrong most of the time. I cited it as an example of a popular opinion which is without question, absolutely wrong. This is to demonstrate that the popularity of something among the public is not in any way reflective of its factuality. That you think that posting this study was about you and proves that you are “old and senile” is only making you look like a fool. Your post fulfills your own fears. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:16:17 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 17 11:21:38 2015. I wonder what the reason was for the pay phones not working. They must have used some type of Con Ed power I guess. Regular phone service was unaffected. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:20:06 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:14:10 2015. The reason proof is asked is that many people have concluded from your posts that your stories are implausible. No one else is asked for proof because no one else has lost as much implied respect as you have. I don’t read your posts as much as others, so I don’t exactly know why that is. For that reason, I choose to believe you.So because others doubt all of the statements that you make, that makes you thin-skinned when someone ribs you about remembering the 1965 blackout? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:21:44 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:16:17 2015. Since phones require electricity to work, the fact that they do work during the blackout implies some kind of backup power source at the exchange. That may have been absent or unavailable for the exchange serving the pay phones that Mitch is referring to. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 17 14:10:43 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:21:44 2015. Simple single-line landline phones are directly powered over the pair of wires that comes from the phone company's central office to the home or office.When I worked for Bell Labs I was told that pay phones were electrically very similar to regular single line home or business phones, with some obvious alterations. But it's quite possible that some pay phones required Con Ed electricity, even back then. A modern pay phone with more features, like accepting credit cards, almost certainly requires Con Ed power. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:18:32 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 17 14:10:43 2015. Way to miss the point. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:37:41 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:19:40 2015. Just what I said. What's not to understand? You asked if he had changed his position. I told you he hadn't. You make this really tedious. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:37:50 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 09:08:16 2015. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:39:23 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:20:06 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:40:17 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 13:14:10 2015. Why would someone call you a liar about such a stupid, unimportant, and irrelevant topic? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:43:04 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:16:02 2015. +9876543210 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:43:30 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:18:23 2015. You obviously have no idea how the internet works. |
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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:47:11 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:07:39 2015. Great post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:53:50 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 12:53:48 2015. You don't need to search old posts to find out why the Atlantic Av elevator thread thread was so long. We just told you. You're closed minded. We immediately told you that there was an elevator there and you refused to believe us. The thread dragged on and on and on because you simply refused to believe is on our word that there was an elevator there when you, in your infinite wisdom, didn't personally see it. You completely disrespected us. You refuse to listen to people who know way more than you, have been logical reasoning and analysis skills than you, and have more than proven themselves here over the years. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 14:55:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 10:22:46 2015. It's not an error. But it's still dangerous. And I didn't make a mountain. I just stated an opinion. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 17 15:04:59 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 14:18:32 2015. ???Was your point simply that BB's observation was self-evident? I was more commenting that I am somewhat surprised that in 1965 there were pay phones that required Con ed power. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 15:17:56 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 13:07:39 2015. Wikipedia states her death was likely caused by mixing barbiturates with alcohol. So the cause of death is not even definitive.I asked my question because I remembered her death being caused by an overdose of barbiturates reported at the time. That is why I asked for the relationship between being an alcoholic with overdosing on drugs. According to you, any conspiracy theory regarding anything is automatically invalid simply because it is called a conspiracy theory. In other words it is not possible for people to conspire to commit murder because you blanketly dismiss every conspiracy theory as nonsense. The fact is that there are many famous people who died under mysterious circumstances where people suspected foul play: Dorothy Killgallen, Marilyn Monroe, Natalie Wood, Eric Fleming, etc, and not the official cause of accidental death. Those are all conspiracy theories and therefore invalid according to you. The official cause of death according to you has to be correct. I think you are the one who is gullible and naive. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 17 15:25:36 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 17 15:17:56 2015. I never said that, that's what you're saying. I wouldn't call it a "conspiracy theory" if there were an actual conspiracy and it weren't just a theory.The official cause of death is likely correct because the medical examiner is more qualified than some random malcontent. If I'm forced to rely on appeal to authority, I'm going to rely on a reliable authority. |
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