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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015 I was up in the Adirondacks for a few days so I have to play catch-up with the Almanac.Tuscarora Almanac for August 27 1 – August 27, 1963 – The Book of First Runs The MP-75 Electric Multiple Unit cars begin service on the Long Island Railroad. The thirty cars were built by Pullman – Standard and are split into two groups. Eighteen cars , numbered 2525 to 2542 are control motors and classified as MP-75c. Twelve cars , numbered 2675 – 2686 are blind motors and classed as MP-75t. They are also known as the “zip cars”. Source: NYD Bulletin October 1963 2 - August 27, 1976 - The Book of Last Runs This will be the last day of operation of the "EE" Queens - Broadway Local which ran ¬AM to 8 PM which rush hour short turns at Canal Street. The last northbound "EE" left Whitehall Street at 7:56 PM with R-16's (n) 6432,6441,6416,6491,6398,6430,6419,6482. The last southbound "EE" arrived at Canal Street at 8:20PM and had R-38's (s) 4031-0,4087-6,4066-7,4050-1. It will also be the last day of the "K" Broadway (Brooklyn) - 6th Avenue Local which ran during rush hours between Eastern Parkway and 57 Street / 6th Avenue. The consist of the last "K" train was (n/57) R-9 1734,1722,1659, R-7 1491, R-9 1777,1689,1713, R-7 1476. The demise of the "K" also meant the end of regular train service over the two track connection between the IND Broadway - Lafayette Street Station and the BMT Essex Street Station. Service over this route began on July 1, 1968 with some fanfare by the "KK" train. It came to an end eight years later. It would be thirty four years before service would be restored over this connection by the "M" train allowing long-sundered familes in Brooklyn and Manhattan to unite with their loved ones. On a personal note I will say that the Service Changes of August 1976 more than any other signaled the end of the hope and dreams that opening of the Chrystie Street Subway had promised. The subway was in a long downward spiral into The Pit and no one knew where it would end. Nearly every surface on the system be it a station or a car was covered by graffiti. Maintenance was at an all time low and breakdowns were commonplace as were track fires. Crime was your constant companion. Even the car builders didn't seem to know how to build cars anymore. The R-44's in there early days were prone to electrical fires and the R-46's wheel truck had a bad habit of cracking. The last of the original owner cars, the R- 1/9's perhaps sensing the turmoil would bow out a year later. On the IRT the mightly Redbirds would struggle to hold the line but they took a heavy beating. On the BMT and IND the R-27's and R-30's along with their younger siblings the R-32's would wage the battle. The R-27's would burn themselves out in the process but the R-32's would live to see another day. And lets not forget the trains crews and other TA personnel who had to work in this environment every day. We finally reached rock bottom on January 13, 1981. On that day 2,117 cars, almost one third of the fleet could not answer the call to service. The greatest subway system in the world had been brought to its knees and even the staunchest rail-fans had doubts if it would come back. 1982 saw a turn around in attitudes and thinking both in the city and the MTA. The subway system is New York City's most valuable asset and people began to realize it. New and rebuilt cars strengthened the fleet . Maintenance was vastly improved , cars and station were cleaned and washed. It took about several years but the subway like the city did come back. Sources: NYD Bulletin August 1976. New York Subways by Gene Sansone 3 - August 27, 2001 - The Book of First Runs The new Kinki-Sharyo ALRV's begin service on the Newark City Subway. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 07:18:59 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015. I always considered 1981-83 to be the low point. Things got so bad by the end of '83 that there were 10 MPH speed restrictions all over the system, derailments skyrocketed, cars were so poorly maintained they began bursting into flames while in service, and wait times--during the DAY--approached 30+ minutes because of car shortages. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:46:01 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 07:18:59 2015. Jay Zee: Do you recall when it seemed that every train had one bad - ordered car closed off, sometimes two?Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by milantram on Mon Aug 31 08:30:22 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015. Interestingly both the last EE and last KK trains had cars in their consists that now survive in Museums. 6398's at TMNY; 1689 is at the Shore Line Trolley Museum. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 08:45:37 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:46:01 2015. Yup, and trains that had six, even seven dead motors. I also remember how equipment went everywhere...like the big R-10/R-46 swap in the summer of 1981 that had Queens Corridor residents screaming bloody murder. |
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Posted by BMRR on Mon Aug 31 09:24:36 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015. Larry,Great write up of those days. That's the way it was. If a train made it from one terminal to the other it was a success.(never mind on time) Folks that bitch today should have been around then...... KK |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Aug 31 09:34:05 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015. I remember the morning of January 13, 1981. I froze my ass off waiting for the 'F' train at the 18th Avenue station. Eventually a 'B' train limped into the station. No seats, no heat.The summer of 1981 saw the dirty wheezing R10s on the 'F'. Bad days for subway riders. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Aug 31 14:01:42 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:08:03 2015. "It would be thirty four years before service would be restored over this connection by the "M" train"built and then not used for decades.... what a waste!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 31 14:47:04 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 31 07:46:01 2015. I saw it all at it's worst on the J line. 1981 was the year the R16s came back into service, and they were tearing the outer portion down. Even at 9 years old, I knew it was bad. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:44:20 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 31 14:47:04 2015. I heard that the neighborhood under the Jamaica el, from Cypress Hills-121st st, has really gone downhill. true? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Aug 31 16:52:01 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:44:20 2015. NO |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 31 19:34:16 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 31 16:44:20 2015. Sadly, yes. I was in Woodhaven 2 weeks ago and it looks horrible. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 31 20:46:34 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Express Rider on Mon Aug 31 14:01:42 2015. They're making up for it now. Moe has made it big. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 21:19:50 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 08:45:37 2015. ."like the big R-10/R-46 swap in the summer of 1981 that had Queens Corridor residents screaming bloody murder. "...and rightfully so. I was still living in Queens at that time & those R-10s sent to Queens Blvd were in sorry shape. Door leafs broken, hot, dimly lit, dead motors, filthy...on & on. Minimal maintence done, if that. If it charged up..it went on the road seemed to be the attitude.. It was a struggle for them to keep track speed with a midday day load, no less a rush Hr crowd. The genius that ordered 30+ yr old poorly maintained eqiptment to run on a heavily used trunk line in express service should have had his head handed to him on a platter. The R-10s should have been placed in lesser demand service, Like the RR Ft Hamilton to Astoria local or 14th st & Myrtle Ave lines. They should have sent R-16 & R-27/30s for E & F Queens Blvd service. They were far from pristeen shape, but they had to be better runners than the R-10s of the day. IMO |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 1 02:43:16 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 31 20:46:34 2015. That's a good thing! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Sep 1 07:47:04 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Express Rider on Mon Aug 31 14:01:42 2015. Remember the arguments we had five years ago when the (M) was replacing the (V) and we had ONE poster in particular who was extremely furious about it?You have to wonder why they did not in retrospect think of keeping the KK/K back then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Sep 1 09:39:10 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Sep 1 07:47:04 2015. Because service to 2nd Ave was cut, IIRC. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 1 13:20:27 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Aug 31 21:19:50 2015. One of the problems with putting the R-10s on the lines yo mentioned is that they were not equipped with signs for any of those services and could really be used only on the iND lines. It probably wouldn’t have been cost effective to order new signs for what ended up being a temporary situation. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 1 21:38:32 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 27, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 1 13:20:27 2015. Wayne rode on a rocket of a 179th-bound R-10 Fred early in 1981, with 3080 as the lead motor. It took the Queens Blvd. express stretch fast enough, and once it got on the Hillside Ave. racetrack, it went into overdrive. According to Wayne, Sutphin Blvd. went by in a blur. |
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