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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 14:31:40 2015 Why is Lafayette Ave named after a street that is one block away? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:40:31 2015, in response to "Lafayette Ave" Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 14:31:40 2015. It’s a more prominent nearby street than any of the side streets that intersect with Fulton. So, it makes sense to me, but that might not be the reason. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:37:29 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:40:31 2015. No different from W 4 St which has no entrances or exits on W 4 St itself. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 29 15:44:23 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:37:29 2015. But the W4 station does cross over W4 St. Lafayette station does not touch Lafayette Ave. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 16:40:40 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 29 15:44:23 2015. I wonder why they didn't build Lafayette Ave/Fulton St stations like the IRT Borough Hall Station. One station but diverging routes. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:03:26 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jun 29 15:44:23 2015. 148th street205th street Woodlawn (Road) Pelham Bay Park These are all named after a location that is a block away and which is not crossed by the subway. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 29 17:15:22 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:03:26 2015. Actually, 205/Bainbridge gets a pass. There is an exit at 204 and Bainbridge and the other end exits to 205 and Perry. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:29:11 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 29 17:15:22 2015. Ah, never mind. I've only ever used the entrance at 206th and Bainbridge, and I knew there wasn't anything at 205th and Bainbridge. But I see there is an entrance at 205th between Perry and Hull. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 17:34:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:03:26 2015. Pelham Bay Park doesn't count. There is an overpass that goes across the highway to the park.205th Street has an exit to 205th street and it's partially under under 205th street. Woodlawn is in Woodlawn and across from Woodlawn Cemetary 148th street is silly lol. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 17:50:42 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 17:34:04 2015. The 148th Street-Lenox Terminal station was probably so named to distinguish it from the 149th Street-Grand Concourse, and 149th Street-Third Avenue stations which are/where major transfer stations in the Bronx.The 148th Street-Lenox Terminal station exists on the grounds of what used to be the IRT's major train yard and electrical plant in Harlem which did span several streets. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 17:56:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:37:29 2015. In the past, I thought it was explained on this forum that there was indeed an entrance through a building ON West 4th Street that lead directly to the mezzanine level. It was explained later that this entrance was closed.Here's What NYC-Subway.Org had to say: Overview West 4th Street - Opened: 9/10/1932 Two track levels, four tracks and two island platforms on each level, with a full-length mezzanine between the two levels (not above). The upper level services trains from the IND 8th Avenue subway, and the lower level services those from the IND 6th Avenue/Houston Street subway. The upper level began service first, beginning in September, 1932. The first service on the lower level was a shuttle along Houston Street to 2nd Avenue, starting January, 1936, with through service along the 6th Avenue local tracks starting December 1940. The 6th Avenue express tracks were built later, and didn't begin service until July 1, 1968, so between 1936 and 1968, the express tracks here at West 4th Street (and also at 34th Stree/6th Avenue) were used as terminal tracks only. The station, which doesn't actually have an exit to 4th St., is probably so-called to differentiate it from the planned IND second system South 4th St. station/line in Brooklyn. There are two fare control areas; one reached via ramps at the south end of the two upper level platforms, in a small "mezzanine"; and one at the south end of each of the upper level platforms. Since the fare control areas all lead directly to the upper level (8th Avenue) platforms, passengers for 6th Avenue trains walk a short distance along the upper plaforms to the stairs down to the mezzanine, and thence to the lower level platforms. Crossover and transfer is provided via the mezzanine. Elevators were recently added connecting the two platforms and the mezzanine. The mezzanine now houses a large NYCT office complex at the north end; closed stairways from the lower level platforms reveal the "shortened" mezzanine above. Rumor has it that there used to be direct exits to the street from this middle level mezzanine. For a station this large it actually has relatively few and small exits to the street; this station was meant as a mass transfer point between the two trunk lines. The tile adornment is standard IND; both track levels have dark green tile stripes with an even darker green border. There are no other artworks or mosaics along the platforms or trackside walls. The streets around this station bear scars of the IND construction. Sixth Avenue started at 3rd Street; there was no street continuing south at that point. A new street was sliced through the Village to accommodate the new subway. Bits and bites of the adjoining blocks were cut off by the new street. There are numerous buildings with sides ripped out and bare; many have been cosmetically redone over the ages. This slicing through of the IND subway (and of the IRT West Side line as well) helped contribute to the triangular blocks so famous to the Village. This new southern extension of Sixth Avenue is extra wide to fit the cunning interchange between the 6th and 8th Avenue lines. South of the station there are three levels of track. The 8th Avenue express is the upper level. The local tracks of both lines are in the middle with their flying junction. The 6th Avenue express is the lowest level. --- Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 18:22:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 14:40:31 2015. I'm thinking that it is simpler.When I lived in Brooklyn, the Lafayette Avenue station was my home station and this question brought me back to exploring the old neighborhood via Google Map. The G train station is located on Lafayette Avenue between South Portland Avenue and Fulton Street in Brooklyn. At that location the G-train is traveling UNDER Lafayette Avenue. The A and C trains travel UNDER Fulton Street with local stations in the area. The Lafayette Avenue station has several exits from the mezzanine - Greene Avenue, South Portland Avenue, South Oxford Street, and Hanson Place. All of these exits were originally open at all times - non more major than the others. The Lafayette Avenue station could easily have been called, South Portland Avenue, Greene Avenue, etc. I think that this name was given in order to distinguish this atation from the nearby G-train at Fulton Street. The two station were given the "opposite" names. Now the Clinton-Washington Avenue stations were easily distinguished because one is under Lafayette Avenue and the other is under Fulton Street and far enough away. Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 29 19:47:54 2015, in response to "Lafayette Ave" Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 14:31:40 2015. would strike me more as "A station named for a major street it would have exits to were it not for an obstacle", namely, Fulton on the G which suffers from the same problem.Both are sufficiently close that the only thing stopping the two stops from touching the correct streets is the fact the two lines are diving and curving around each other and the BMT and IRT tracks. Where the stations are was simply the most customer convenient places to put them. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:52:50 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 18:22:25 2015. Sorta makes me wonder why they built a Fulton St station on the "G" line. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:57:30 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:37:29 2015. West 4th St oriinally had a stairway and a fare control from the lower mezzanine, between the 8th and 6th Ave platforms. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 29 21:51:59 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:52:50 2015. Why? It seems like a logical place for a station. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 22:28:54 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:52:50 2015. Well, work backwards.In the 1920-30's, the municipal subway was going to have to compete with the existing subways (IRT and BRT/BMT), the various elevated train lines, and the various street trolley lines. Downtown Brooklyn was an important destination, and that includes the Brooklyn Academy of Music, Long Island Railroad station, Williamsburg Bank, Brooklyn Tech High School and other facilities. A subway stop for either the GG train or the A or HH train near these places was a no - brainer of a decision. Plus this station is located in a "Brownstone Brooklyn" residential area. The next major station - the huge Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street complex would be a good walking distance AWAY from these places. In addition, the planners of the IND subways often supplied many of their stations with two or more entrances since their stations were often 1/2 mile apart compared to the 1/4, 1/3 or 1/2 mile distances of the IRT and BRT/BMT lines or the street cars. Having two or more entrances - at the ends of the platforms allowed the station to "seem closer" certain streets or places - despite the name of the station. Think about the GG train, besides the Fulton Street station and the Hoyt Street complex, the GG-train is almost out of downtown Brooklyn, being near the Brookyn Navy Yard, traveling along Smith Street, or on the way to Queens. (Note High Street and York Street are also near certain entrances of the Brookyn Navy Yard.) So the Fulton Street of the GG serves both as a "downtown Brooklyn" station and as a station serving a residential area. Mike |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 29 22:52:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 17:50:42 2015. Internally, Harlem - 148 Street is referred to on our tower boards and signal prints as 149 Street - Seventh Avenue. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 29 22:53:41 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:57:30 2015. It did?? |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 29 23:01:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:52:50 2015. The station does have an exit to Fulton St at the extreme south end, so technically, part of it is at the intersection of Fulton and Lafayette.Additionally, don't forget that a Lafayette Av subway was proposed before the IND existed. The flying junction south of DeKalb on the BMT was routed underneath Fulton St with the idea that it might go to Lafayette Av. That plan was scrapped and the bellmouth was used for the Brighton subway - but it's possible that there was historical inertia for a station truly at the intersection of Fulton and Lafayette, and the name stuck. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 29 23:03:40 2015, in response to "Lafayette Ave" Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 29 14:31:40 2015. The Fulton el also had a Lafayette Ave station. Was that closer to the intersection of Fulton and Lafayette? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 01:02:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Jun 29 22:53:41 2015. Dim memory of same from 60s. |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Jun 30 02:25:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 17:56:53 2015. Notice the mistake (not yours):and one at the south end of each of the upper level platforms They mean "north end of each". |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 02:31:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by gbs on Tue Jun 30 02:25:47 2015. I now realize what you are referring to.At the West 4th Street station there ARE two sets of entrances - near set near West 3rd Street, near what used to the Waverly Theater. The other entrance is near West 8th Street. Both entrances connect to the upper level of the station. Mike |
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Posted by Stevenpaulino1 on Tue Jun 30 02:50:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 02:31:53 2015. What about dyckman-200th street on the A lineThere's no 200st in Manhattan |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Jun 30 07:14:35 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:52:50 2015. Ideally, the IND would have built a 6 track station under Lafayette with entrances at Flatbush and Fulton.With a potential connection to the IRT Nevins station and a block long out of system transfer to the LIRR terminal, this would be a more useful location for an express station than Hoyt/Schemerhorn. However, I imagine that the BMT/4th Ave, BMT Brighton, and IRT tracks already in the area would make that impractical. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 30 07:37:59 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Stevenpaulino1 on Tue Jun 30 02:50:20 2015. There's no 200st in ManhattanNor is there one in the Bronx, despite the name "Bedford Park Blvd-200th St." being used for many years to designate the station on the #4 line. "200th St." was being used as an alternate name for Dyckman St. (and for BPB), not as the name of a separate street. Which is confusing, since the next station down on the A train is "190th St.-Overlook Terrace", and Overlook Terrace is a different street than 190th St. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 10:43:55 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 22:28:54 2015. There’s that and the distance between Clinton-Washington and Hoyt-Schermerhorn on the G line alone justifies the extra station. There is a station there on the C so why not on the G? It’s not like the G is an “express.” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 10:46:48 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by K. Trout on Mon Jun 29 23:01:57 2015. Note that the IRT also planned for a Lafayette subway: The lower level of Nevins would have not only carried southbound traffic coming off the Manhattan Bridge (if that had gone to the IRT) but also southbound traffic to the Lafayette subway. |
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Posted by Asgard on Tue Jun 30 10:52:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:03:26 2015. Woodlawn (Road) is at the intersection of Jerome Avenue and the former Woodlawn Road. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 11:16:02 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 10:46:48 2015. Correct! In 1908, 5 years before before the Dual contracts, the IRT offered to rebuild the 3rd Ave el for steel subway cars if it could use the north side tracks of the Manhattan Bridge. This was before plans for the Lexington Ave subway were drawn up. About the same time, the BRT asked to use the south side tracks to access the newly built (by the NYC Dept of Bridges) Chambers Street station. Both requests were refused, but the BRT wound up with both track sets of the MB, as part of the Dual Contracts of 1913. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 11:35:57 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by LA Scott on Tue Jun 30 07:14:35 2015. From a previous message:"Ideally, the IND would have built a 6 track station under Lafayette with entrances at Flatbush and Fulton. With a potential connection to the IRT Nevins station and a block long out of system transfer to the LIRR terminal, this would be a more useful location for an express station than Hoyt/Schemerhorn." ---------- Remember that with the planning and building of the IND system in the 1920-30's - the planners were NOT looking to provide connections to other transit lines but competing with and removing the competition! The thinking then was very much different than the thinking and activities of today. The connections and unifications of the various lines did not occur until after the NYCTA came into existence. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 11:42:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 30 07:37:59 2015. Again, remember that often in the naming of IND-type subway stations - the names often refer to where the exits are!Two examples: Clinton Avenue and Washington Avenue never actually cross each other, but those subway stations are UNDER Lafayette Avenue and Fulton Street. Those streets would be the places that one would go enter the subway. It allows the station to do "double-duty" with its multiple entrances. Even the planning and building of the SAS is using that concept. Yes, over time the closing of entrances - part-time, permanent, etc. has under cut that idea. With the 200th Street question - I'm wondering if some streets were renamed over time, a situation that definitely happened in Queens. Mike |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 11:51:16 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 11:16:02 2015. Anyone know about the proposed route of this IRT Lafayette Ave subway? I know that Lafayette runs into Broadway, but I very little about the complete proposed IRT route. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 12:05:07 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 11:35:57 2015. Some of the IND was built with the intent of recapturing under purchase or unification. Church Ave on the IND was intended to connect with the BMT's elevated line on McDonald Ave. Court St was supposed to have been extended under Clinton St, connect with the BMT Montague tunnel, and connect back to the IND around Fulton St, Manhattan. Another proposed purchase plan called for connecting the Fulton St IND to the Rockaway Ave BMT station, which had been rebuilt for steel cars. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 12:30:10 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 11:51:16 2015. 
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 30 12:48:02 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 30 07:37:59 2015. BPB definitely used to be called 200th St. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 12:51:21 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by The Silence on Mon Jun 29 19:47:54 2015. The G does have Exits on Fulton St. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 13:19:36 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 29 20:57:30 2015. How? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 13:26:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 12:30:10 2015. Interesting, thank you! I noticed no elevated connections on the map, like the portal to the new Lots Ave line, or the 3rd Ave el. Strictly a proposed subway map. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 13:48:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 12:05:07 2015. You're point is very true.I was attempting to rebut a particular statement. Here's the specific sentence: "With a potential connection to the IRT Nevins station ..." At the time, IND transit system planning and building was NOT for in-system within fare control connections among the various subway lines - that was the point I wanted to make. Your point is well taken. Mike |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 13:52:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 13:48:01 2015. I understand what you are saying. Like, if you wanted to ride the 9th Ave el, you had to go to 116th St or 155th St |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 14:20:18 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 13:52:47 2015. From a previous message and modified:"Remember that with the planning and building of the IND system in the 1920-30's - the planners OFTEN WERE NOT looking to provide connections to other transit lines but competing with and removing the competition!" The better examples being the 9th Avenue replaced by the 8th Avenue subway, the Sixth Avenue El being replaced by the Sixth Avenue subway; the 53rd Street El crossings being replaced by the 53rd Street subway lines; the Fulton Street El eventually being replaced by the Fulton Street subway; the Second and Third Avenue El's and its connections to Queens being by replaced eventually by the Second Avenue subway and its connections to Queens; etc. There may be a few examples that I've missed. Again this is not about the quality of what was replaced or when, but about some of the thinking in the minds of the planners and builders. Yes, there were several goals of the municipal subway. Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:35:05 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 11:42:20 2015. The reason some of the stations on the IND Fulton Line have double names is that some streets end at Fulton St and streets on the north side of Fulton do not continue south and some streets south of Fulton do not continue north. Kingston/Throop and Clinton/Washington are 2 examples. Utica Av goes only as far as Fulton St and the next major street is really Reid Av (it has been renamed but I can’t recall its new name) but there is no entrance to the station at reid Ave. for some reason, even though the statin does have an entrance at Stuyvesant Av, the B of T chose not to include it in the station name. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 30 16:35:49 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 29 17:29:11 2015. No worries! I lived there, so knew. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:37:23 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 30 01:02:57 2015. There was a closed up change booth on the Mezzanine in the approximate location of where W 4 St would be upstairs but I never saw it open nor do I recall even seeing what remotely looked like sealed up stairways there. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:43:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 12:05:07 2015. I can’t see any reason for the IND to be connected to the BMT Fulton el station at Rocky Av since the portion of the Fulton El between just east of Hinsdale to grant Av would not have been able to hold steel cars without major rebuilding. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:47:55 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jun 29 17:56:53 2015. Actually, the express tracks on 6 Av opened the first day of Chrystie in November 1967 but were only used during rush hours since midday and Sat Bs coming from Stl turned at W 4 St and had to use the express tks N/O the station to relay. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:37:23 2015. On each side of 6th avenue, there are slabbed over staircases to the surface on W. 4th Street from the mezzanine between the Upper and Lower platform levels.Also, on each side of 6th avenue, there are slabbed over staircases to the surface on Washington Place, also from the mezzanine between the Upper and Lower platform levels. The staircase structure on the east side of 6th avenue up to Washington Place also has a provision for the installation of an escalator. Additionally, there is a closed exit from the small mezzanine connected by stairway to the north end of the southbound platform of the upper level. This mezzanine has HEETs, and one open staircase. Behind a door by the HEETs is a passageway to a slabbed over staircase to the street. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:52:32 2015, in response to West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015. I should clarify that the mezzanine from the north end of the southbound platform on the upper level is open, but only one of the two staircases from the street to it are open. |
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