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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 13:36:55 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:30:20 2006. Yes, because I even worked that a few times, and I had never even seen the 46's on there, but only heard about them (probably from here). They were on, but only very briefly. Afterwards, it was a combination of 32's and 68's, while the 46's went to the E. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 4 13:40:26 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 13:26:17 2006. I thought they mainly used Jamaica R32s during that period and it was rather uncommon to see a 46. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:43:16 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:30:20 2006. Common sights? No, on the contrary, the only equipment the Q generally used from Jamaica was R-32's. That picture is the exception, not the rule. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:46:07 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:43:16 2006. Well, what did they do with all the R46s that had to have been laying around? They had to run somewhere. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 13:54:44 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:30:20 2006. I saw them three times, though none after Oct. 1. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:55:51 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:46:07 2006. I think some ran on the E.Keep in mind that there was a major service cut in effect, so lots of cars didn't need to be used anywhere. I do wonder, though, how ENY got by without borrowing equipment, with a slight extension on the M and a major extension on the J. (Or did it borrow R-40's from CI? Since the N wasn't running, that would make sense.) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:57:35 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 4 13:40:26 2006. Exceedingly uncommon. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:01:50 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:55:51 2006. The N line's fleet of R40 slants showed up on the M, as did one set of R32's. Service was also cut on the J during this time. 8 TPH at rush hour compared to 12 combined J/Z. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 14:03:30 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:55:51 2006. The M used R40's from the N[Coney Island],while the J used it own cars..suspending Z service completely. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:07:22 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:57:35 2006. PROFF #1PROFF #2 |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:09:30 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:01:50 2006. R-32's didn't show up on the J or M on a regular basis. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 4 14:13:59 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 13:55:51 2006. The M had a few R40 sets and the J also had one. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:16:26 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 4 14:13:59 2006. Remember that ENY had R-40's of its own at the time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:17:16 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:09:30 2006. But one set did make at least one run. I saw it crossing the Willy B. Here's another R32 M sighting. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:31:30 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:17:16 2006. I'm not saying they never ran. I'm saying that they didn't run on a regular basis. Like R-46's on the Q.As for your particular source, that same source "saw" an R-110B C train several years after the R-110B's stopped running. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 4 14:33:22 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 13:26:17 2006. That was a fluke. A few R46's were there for a couple of days, then for the rest of the time Jamaica assigned R32's took over. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 4 14:39:33 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:01:50 2006. I was working the M during the 9/11 situation and firstly an R32 did one trip the very first morning and was ordered off the line since 8 car R32's are "conductored" 4x4. Sure they could have worked door operation 3x5 but the superintendants didn't want things to be more confused than they were already. The M mostly ran slants with a smattering of R42's, the extended J to 95 ran all R42's. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 4 14:42:32 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:16:26 2006. At that time ENY kept them on the L so as to try to avoid running cars assigned to both facilities in the same consist. No doubt to make service, there were isolated mixtures. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 14:45:52 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 4 14:42:32 2006. Yeah..like seeing a R40 in J service...or seeing a R40/40M in a mixed train...on the J OR M.Seen that one a few times on visits here. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 16:25:04 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:07:22 2006. >Around 10 AM on Sunday, September 23, 2001, a train of R-46s signed up for Q service stopped at the southbound platform at Sheepshead Bay. One of the cars was 6201.OK, maybe one did appear on there later on, but still, the aim was to keep them off. They are not absolutely banned, like the Eastern Div., and an F cqan be rerouted that way if necessary, but still they try to keep them off as much as possible. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 16:28:39 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 14:17:16 2006. Heard about, but missed that too. And I live over here! |
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Posted by David on Tue Jul 4 16:34:08 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 12:44:53 2006. I was riding the line in 1986, and the temporary platforms most certainly WERE in use, at the embankment stations (Avenue M, etc.).David |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 17:02:04 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 16:25:04 2006. I don't know if it's a matter of trying to keep them off. They just weren't assigned to the line, that's all. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 17:38:13 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 17:02:04 2006. They were when "the line" was joined either to the R in 2001, or the A in 1989. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 17:44:45 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 17:38:13 2006. I don't know about 1989, but not in the case of 2001. Nothing but R-68's and R-32's (and maybe R-68A's) were assigned to the Q. There were a few isolated sightings of R-46's on the Q, but they were few and far between.Somebody posted that he saw an R-46 set on the E a few days ago. Does that mean that R-46's are assigned to the E? Of course not. Similarly, there are no R-68's assigned to the B, even though I occasionally run into one. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 4 17:50:37 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 14:16:26 2006. Crap, I forgot about that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 18:01:25 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 17:44:45 2006. Does that have anything to do with the B running part time service?If thats so...Im wondering about the Eastern Division J/M and Z lines. The 42's are just as old as the 40's,yet they are used daily. Does this practice say the 42's are BETTER built than the 40's..or that the 40's are just worn out? |
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Posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 4 20:08:44 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:05:05 2006. Being as you guys seem the know alot about this time period, do you remember when the white paint scheme started? |
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Posted by David on Tue Jul 4 20:38:25 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 4 20:08:44 2006. That was 1981 and it was confined to the IRT, except for a very limited number of R-27/30s that were painted for a movie. It started on the Flushing Line, after Corona Yard received a double fence topped with razor ribbon wire, with guard dogs between the fences. Mayor Koch was credited with the idea of painting the cars white.David |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Tue Jul 4 20:55:00 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Tue Jul 4 20:38:25 2006. Was the movie by any chance called "Beat Street"? If so, then I saw it on sunday between 2 pm and 4 pm on channel 5 |
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Posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 4 20:55:57 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by EastSideRider on Tue Jul 4 20:55:00 2006. yea i remember them in that movie, does anyone know if they just left those cars white and put them back in service like that? |
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Posted by David on Tue Jul 4 21:02:16 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 4 20:55:57 2006. They did, but the white soon disappeared under layers of graffiti. I think the movie was "Dreams Don't Die," made for TV and shown in 1982. As I recall, 8219 was one of the cars.David |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 21:20:17 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 18:29:14 2006. The N DID use full 600ft cars for a while..when the R46 first began service there....It was sometime way after that,that the number of cars were reduced on them...During PEAK hours,the TRAINS were 600fters...off peak 300ft cars were used. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 21:34:58 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 23:50:29 2006. The HH went away in 1973..the same time the KK/QJ lines were killed...and when the A was made the Fulton Street express rush hours..All Rockaway Shuttle service was marked as "E"...untill 1976 when the CC took over all Fulton street local service during the rush hours. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 22:22:39 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 17:44:45 2006. So you're saying it was an "assignment"? It seemed more like an emergency shifting around to me, as the Q was merged with a line that was assigned mostly 46's. Then, it seems they changed it afterward; but that would still prove the point that they didn't want them on the Q for some reason. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 4 22:50:24 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 18:01:25 2006. The 42's are just as old as the 40's,yet they are used daily.Does this practice say the 42's are BETTER built than the 40's..or that the 40's are just worn out? When the R40M's(& a few Slants) were assigned to ENY, they ran them daily. You can still catch R40's on the N on weekends. The biggest problem of both the R40S/M & the R42 are the bad windows seals on the openable windows. Whenever it rains, the windows leak and the seats get wet. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 4 23:00:56 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by mambomta on Tue Jul 4 22:50:24 2006. Yes..this I know...as I am a regular E.D rider...and I did make that same statement before sometime ago.[concerning the windows and rainwater seeping thur]Im thinking that maybe they don't have much choice but to run them as they are the only cars availible,without making a radical switch of equipment.I guess they are going to runem' into the ground. In any case...with the 160's coming later this year[at least thats what I was told],and completely gone by 07...I suppose they will head down to the southern division. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 4 23:05:05 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 22:22:39 2006. Yes, it was an assignment.R-46's on the Q were very, very rare. |
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Posted by ALP44 on Wed Jul 5 19:42:39 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Tue Jul 4 21:02:16 2006. Dreams Don't Die(hard to find) had the standard MTA colors. Only Beat Street had the white 27/30's.Until then..... ALP 44 |
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Posted by INDviaCulver on Tue May 26 04:29:25 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:20:12 2006. B trains were predominately R-38's, but I also recall R-42's (4600 and 4800 numbered cars). I think later in the year, R-10s were also on the E and F lines as many of the R-46s were pulled. I also recall r-32s on the E and the occasional r-27-30 on the D. I once recall seeing an R-27-30 D pulling into Bway Lafayette, but most of the side signs read N Continental Av-Whitehall St !!!! |
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Posted by R384149 on Tue May 26 09:47:22 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by INDviaCulver on Tue May 26 04:29:25 2015. Wow, when I began this thread 9 years ago, the subway car in my handle still existed... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 26 18:23:36 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:05:05 2006. Actually, by 1980, the R-46 truck problems had those cars moved to the (CC) while the (E) got many of the R-10s (I remember because I actually rode then).(CC) trains were usually six R-46 cars in rush hours then. (AA) was mostly R-32s (R-42s were pretty much on the (B) as I remember). (N) as I remember was mainly R-46. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:52:39 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 26 18:23:36 2015. Back in 1980, the AA/B used the same fleet so R-32s and 42s could show up in either service depending on which end of the B line they were at the end of the rush. |
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Posted by The silence on Tue May 26 19:20:01 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue May 26 18:23:36 2015. A nearly 9 year old post you just had to respond to... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 06:04:32 2015, in response to Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006. Thing we're bad in 1980, so anything that ran popped up anywhere. But in general:AA: R38, R42 H: (still called CC) R10/R46 N: R32/R46 Q: R27/30, R42. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed May 27 06:06:14 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:52:39 2015. The QB and M also shared fleets, IIRC. |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 27 09:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 1 23:17:40 2006. No were running in revenue service R9's in 1980.The Rockaways had R10's, R-27/30's, and R-38's. |
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Posted by coneyisl on Wed May 27 10:09:53 2015, in response to Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006. In 1980's QB- R27/R30 mostly. Usually one R42 train set. Occasional R32. Always 8 car IIRC. Ran R1-9s in the 70's. |
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