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Posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006 For any of the people who rode the subway in 1980, does anyone remember what cars ran on the AA, Rockaway shuttle(H), N and QB trains? also if anyone remembers how many cars ran on each train that would be helpful, thanks. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 1 22:58:04 2006, in response to Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006. AA 4, H various but usually 4, N 4 or 8 depending the time of day (or 6 R46), rush hour QB: 8. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 1 23:17:40 2006, in response to Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006. (AA); (H) = Arnines.(N); (QB) R-27/30s |
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Posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 23:26:06 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 1 23:17:40 2006. AA, H with R1-9s? i thought they were all gone by 1977? |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Jul 1 23:48:19 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 23:26:06 2006. AA ran R32, R40, R42, R38. I remember in 1984 going to the Museum of Natural History, the A had R44, and the AA had lots of R42. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 1 23:54:35 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 23:26:06 2006. Yes they were..by 1977 March.Anyway..the subway ran whatever was availible at the time..due to the problem with the R44/46 cars... Not only that...but at any given time..a quater of the fleet would be down..due to various problems. So.. the AA ran WHATEVER there was to use on 8th avenue from 207th st/Concourse yards. Even R27/30 appeared in AA service at the time. The QB ran 27/30/32... The N ran 32..some 38's and some 46[which were gone early that year due to the CARS being BANNED from the MANHATTAN BRIDGE] The H was really the CC Rockaway Shuttle..and ran R10/38/40 Cars. The CC had a bunch of R32 cars that were placed on it when it first started Brooklyn service..butthey were removed early on as the R40 cars started coming to replaced the R10 in A service..as a matter of fact...the R40 began running in CC service BEFORE A service. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jul 1 23:57:38 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 1 23:17:40 2006. nah...by 1980 the R1-9s were only on the QB... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 2 00:18:34 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R30A on Sat Jul 1 23:57:38 2006. Yup..and ran as much as the QB did..that being almost NEVER.If you caught a QB back in those days..you were lucky. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 2 08:38:41 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 1 23:17:40 2006. R1/9's were gone by 1977. And for those last few years, they were relegated to the Eastern division. The last R1/9 likely ran on the AA and H in the early to mid '70's. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 2 10:13:09 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 2 00:18:34 2006.   If you caught a QB back in those days..you were lucky. Then I must have been very lucky. I *always* took the (QB) from 34th Street to Pacific Street in those days. Seems I always made my connection correctly. Funny: I always went into the city from DeKalb Avenue, and almost always got off at Pacific Street on my way home. Bergen Street on the (F) was much closer to my home, but I NEVER EVER rode on the IND or the (F), and since my destination was 34th Street in Manhattan, I could have just as well used it if I wanted to. GO BMT! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:05:05 2006, in response to Lines in 1980, posted by R384149 on Sat Jul 1 22:42:39 2006. The AA and B often shared fleets, 8 car trains of R32's or R42's. The HH didn't exist in 1980, it was called the CC and used CC cars, usually R10, occasional R32's. The M and QB often shared cars, to the point that many QB runs would be cancelled and the cars used to plug gaps in M service. The N and D were the only joint-division routes to use 600' cars. Until 1986, the AA, B, RR and QB used 8 car trains, just like the J/M/L do today. Most of these notes date to 1984/5, so things may have been a little different in 1980. I'm sure the R46 truck issues would make any attempt to describe what ran where pointless, because everything ran everywhere during this period. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:10:43 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 2 00:18:34 2006. When I first began railfanning in late '85, I always failed to ever ride a QB (Q by then), no matter how hard I tried to get one. It was the least reliable route in the system. The first time I ever rode a Brighton/Broadway train was in the summer of '86, a yellow D of slants. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Jul 2 14:38:00 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 1 23:54:35 2006. The N ran 32..some 38's and some 46[which were gone early that year due to the CARS being BANNED from the MANHATTAN BRIDGE]Why? |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jul 2 16:44:41 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R30A on Sat Jul 1 23:57:38 2006. "by 1980 the R1-9s were only on the QB..."The arnines were retired in March 1977, the (J) line saw the last consist. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by ItalianGuyInSI on Sun Jul 2 17:08:25 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:05:05 2006. The N used 4 or 8 60' MUs until around 1986-1987 as I recall (except of course when R46's were assigned; then it would be 4, or 6 MUs as I recall). The only southern division services to use full lenght trains were the D and F. B, N, M and QB used 4 or 8 MUs until 1986-1987.After 1986-1987, the Southern Division began using 10 car trains. There was a City Councilmemeber named Carol Bellamy who was instrumental in getting the TA to expand the number of cars in that same time period. This was also the time that the first rebuilt slants from Sumitomo came for West End service. Gunn was TA honcho at that time and there was a ceremony for the first train of rebuilt cars in April or May 1987 at the 62nd Street BMT Station. I have some old photos; one day I will get around to scanning them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 18:29:14 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by ItalianGuyInSI on Sun Jul 2 17:08:25 2006. I always saw 600' N trains when they operated from Forest Hills. But my memories do not go back farther than late 1985. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 18:40:02 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Sun Jul 2 14:38:00 2006. Not sure, but they weren't banned in 1985, cuz I rode R46 N trains across the bridge several times that fall. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 2 19:27:29 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:05:05 2006. The midnight and weekend Rockaway and round robin shuttle services used the designation HH until Euclid Av was made the full time terminal for the CC (now C). |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Sun Jul 2 19:36:16 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Sun Jul 2 14:38:00 2006. I believe it was because the vibrations from the trucks were seen as harming the already brittle bridge structure. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 2 20:15:32 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 12:10:43 2006. One of the big problems then was due to car shortages, the QB in reality could seldom run "full service". |
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Posted by Eric B on Sun Jul 2 23:13:25 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 1 23:54:35 2006. What I saw beginning Sept. of that year (must have been right after all of this shifting around I keep hearing about).C and G were all R10 N seemed to be all 32's. E and F were solidly R46 eventually, but I do think I remember seeing 32's on the F as well. D mostly 40m/42's and 44's. Even the 32's were rare at this point, and did not come back in volume until the following year when the 44's left for good. The A had the slants and 44's The AA and B was mostly 42's it seemed. M/QB/RR 27/30's and 42's The J I never rode, but it would have had it's 16's, as well as 27/30's and perhaps 42's. The L would be similar. It wasn't until the following year that I noticed the 38 as a separate car (when it began appearing on the B, D, and yes, the RR/QB/M, first, in fact!) So I didn't know where they were before that. At first glance I probably mistook them for 32's or 42's, since it did take time to fully realize it was a different car when they appeared regularly on the lines I did ride. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 23:47:46 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 2 20:15:32 2006. Sometimes, I'd see trains going up Nassau St in the AM signed as an M up front and as a Q on the side! |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jul 2 23:49:18 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Jul 2 16:44:41 2006. I know that!You must know what I am referring to... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 23:50:29 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 2 19:27:29 2006. Not on maps. The round-robin was designated A and the Rock Park shuttle CC. When double letters were instituted, those were designated H. I think the double H designation was dropped after the CC took over for the E on Fulton St. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 23:51:54 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R30A on Sun Jul 2 23:49:18 2006. Museum train. Mr. Rigga told me all about it...ALL about it... |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Jul 2 23:58:08 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 2 23:51:54 2006. 100-103-381-484-800-1000-1208-1300-1440-1802 (1700?, 1502? there were 2 others... just forget which)the 3 Triplexes... 2390-2391-2392-2899-2774-2775 Loads of museum consists! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 00:10:06 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by R30A on Sun Jul 2 23:58:08 2006. Imagine that today ... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:07:45 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 2 10:13:09 2006. The QB to Pacific street?Umm wasn't the QB a Brighton train? So it would not have ran to Pacific,but to Atlantic! Never used the IND? You missed the time of your life... Sure,the BMT was "fun"..but the IND WAS FAST! Being a "BMT MAN" myself from the EAST... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:20:12 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Sun Jul 2 23:13:25 2006. The GG did have R40's at the begining of the year...as well as R16's...They were pulled from there..and replaced by 32's and 10's... The J and L was DOOMED to have R16's for YEARS[With the L mostly running 27/30's AND a few R10's if you can believe]..untill they were pull from there in 84' and placed in M service. The D was just about all R42/40 by the end of 1980..when the 44's were pulled...while the B was R38's. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 3 11:49:05 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Sun Jul 2 23:13:25 2006. I was a c/r in 1980 and I did 1 1/2 trips on the AA 3 days a week (non weekend). Most of the time, I got 4 car R38's. They tried to avoid running R42's because of all the dark cars and subsequent dead convertors. A 4 car R42 with dark cars could have easily gapped. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 3 11:53:34 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Sun Jul 2 14:38:00 2006. They were banned from the N line, but I forget why as it's been so long. I think it was because of the cracking trucks. By running them on just 2 lines. E/F, it was much easier to account for them as all cars had truck inspection twice a week. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 12:53:53 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:20:12 2006. The R16's seemed to be mostly on the J, occasionally on the L and never on the M, until 1986. Then they mostly went over to the M, and a few appeared on the R and B. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:58:07 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 3 11:49:05 2006. R38's did not have the dark car issue? |
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Posted by R384149 on Mon Jul 3 13:08:09 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:20:12 2006. did the GG have R46s any time that yr? |
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Posted by David on Mon Jul 3 16:53:13 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jul 3 12:58:07 2006. R-38s had motor-generators, not inverters/static converters. They did not suffer (to any great degree, anyway) from situations where all fluorescent lighting was out and the car only had emergency (incandescent) lighting. The R-38s were pretty dark, however, because (a) the fans put lots of schmutz into the side lighting strips (backlighting), (b) as soon as NYCT(A) started buying subway cars with backlighting, advertisers started printing ads that consisted of white characters on a black background, and (c) the fluorescent lighting in pre-R-42 cars needed polarity reversers, and the reverser timers sometimes didn't work, which manifested itself in fluorescent tubes that didn't light completely, being purplish on one end. Of course, it didn't help that cars were running around with tubes that had burned out and hadn't been replaced.David |
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Posted by David on Mon Jul 3 16:59:11 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 3 11:53:34 2006. The R-46s (and R-44s, for that matter) were banned from the Brighton Line after a severe derailment involving a D train of R-44s early one January morning (the 16th?) in 1981 that nearly resulted in a subway car going into at least one backyard. This was the final straw, as the property owners along E. 15th and E. 16th Streets had been complaining for some time that vibrations from these cars were destroying the retaining walls separating the right-of-way from their properties. How much truth there was to that, I don't know -- 75-foot cars (R-68/68A) have been operating on the Brighton Line for 20 years now, and I haven't heard any vibration complaints in years. (Remember, while the R-46s had the "newfangled" Rockwell trucks, the R-44s had NYCT(A)'s "standard" trucks.)David |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:17:23 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 3 01:20:12 2006. The beginning of the year is basically before my time. A period when I basically only rode with one or the other of my parents, and went wherever they were going. The last I had seen of the slants was where they always had been; on the E in the mid 70's.Yeah; and I knew the G got 32's as well, but forgot whether that came after 1980 or not. The 16's I vageuly remember seeing somewhere someone took me sometime in the 70's, distinguished by the transverse seating; but I did not "rediscover" them until Fall '82 when a D was sent down Nassau, and I saw a J passing by. |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:19:16 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 12:53:53 2006. One ran on the M when we had that big blizzard in early '83. Was surprised, but figured they were running whatever they could.NEVER saw one on the B; but used to see them as R's parked in the tracks that used to lead to the Bridge from Nassau St. |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:25:44 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Mon Jul 3 16:59:11 2006. Every time I point this out, someone tells me the 68's are heavier. How could they make less rumbling, then? (Everytime the Q is combined with a line that uses those cars in emergency service changes, they are quickly pulled again). |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:29:12 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 3 11:49:05 2006. The AA must have been sharing with the B, then. I would only see the B's in passing, and thought it was 32's like the D; but I guess something always did seem slightly different about it. I guess this is where they were ever since leaving Queens? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 23:27:12 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:19:16 2006. One or two sets ran on the yellow B in the summer and fall of 1986. I used to ride it a lot. Given their condition at this time, I'm a little suprised they ran them on a bridge route. That's a steep grade. |
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Posted by David on Mon Jul 3 23:27:27 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:25:44 2006. The tracks and roadbed were redone in 1986, just as the R-68s were starting to be put into service. Maybe that has something to do with it...maybe it wasn't the cars after all.David |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 23:32:27 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Mon Jul 3 23:27:27 2006. The express tracks were replaced in 1986/7, but the Brighton line's roadbed wasn't replaced until 1994/1995. Even after the retaining wall near Ave. H collapsed in 1987, hippos remained on the line. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 00:04:50 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Mon Jul 3 16:53:13 2006. I never knew car emergency lights were incandescent. Always thought that they were flourescent, like todays emergency lights. |
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Posted by David on Tue Jul 4 09:28:47 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 3 23:32:27 2006. The local tracks, at least in part, were done in 1986, too. Remember the temporary wooden platforms at the local stops on the embankment section of the line? They allowed trains to use the express tracks but still make local stops. There were hard-rail connections between each express track and its companion local track at Newkirk Avenue.David |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 4 10:41:20 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 3 22:29:12 2006. The AA/B were technically one line at least when I worked it using CI assigned cars. They had the split service, with some trains to 57/6 and some to 168 in the rush. When the 8 car B trains arrived @168 at the tail end of the AM rush, they were cut 4x4 to form AA trains at a 10 minute midday headway. Since the B's arived in excess of a 10 minute headway (due to the split service), there were not enough cars to run 8 car AA trains. Only 1 8 car train was laid up north of 168, sometimes 2 when there was no car shortage on a day (which was rare). I'll never forget a job that was up there at the time: a real seniority job: AA302. Don't forget, in those days lots of jobs had little cab time compared to today. They did 2 round trips on the AA, had lunch and were scheduled to do something like a 5:02 put in to Bay Pkwy, lay the train up up and with the deadhead time to 168 it was an 8 hour job. That interval seldom, and I mean SELDOM ran due to car shortages. The few times it did run, were those guys PISSED! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 12:44:53 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Tue Jul 4 09:28:47 2006. Yes, I remember those temporary platforms, but they were in use during the mid-90's, not 1986. Much of the express tracks were ripped up in 1986/7, especially north of Newkirk (where they remained missing for many months in places). |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 13:13:26 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by David on Mon Jul 3 23:27:27 2006. But like I also pointed out, everytime the Q is combined with a line that uses the 44's or 46's in emergency service changes (in 1989 and 2001), they are quickly pulled again, with the same reasons cited. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 13:26:17 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Eric B on Tue Jul 4 13:13:26 2006. R46 Q trains were common sights during the post 9/11 reroutes: 
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 4 13:30:20 2006, in response to Re: Lines in 1980, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 4 13:26:17 2006. Weren't they on the Q line for the duration of the Re-route? Eric B is saying R46s were pulled off the line after only a short while on Brighton. |
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