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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 20 20:06:19 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Dave on Wed May 20 18:32:38 2015. The LION does not tip the bartender.The LION does not go to bars. LIONS do not like bars. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 20 20:07:22 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Wed May 20 18:22:31 2015. LION remembers the diner from NYC.ROAR |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 20 21:38:30 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Wed May 20 15:51:06 2015. Our whole tipping culture is stupid. Japan has it right: there is no concept of gratuity. However, a customer will usually not complain about poor service - they simply will never return, and may advise their co workers as well. So if service is regularly poor, a restaurant will lose a significant amount of business and may have to close. Thus, everyone provides the best service they can because they know the *only* feedback they will get is a reduction in customers. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 20 21:51:21 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Dave on Wed May 20 18:32:38 2015. NO tip if the owner is behind the stick. Only tips for the hired help |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Wed May 20 22:22:31 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 20 16:55:40 2015. Oh please, don't roll over for Dutchrailnut. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Wed May 20 22:54:11 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 17:37:54 2015. How does "the diner comes from Boston and gets added at Rensselaer" equal "Diners appeared far less frequently on the run though after the early 1990's"??? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 20 23:57:00 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Dave on Wed May 20 13:06:32 2015. Piedmont food service would work just fine on a typical Regional train. NCDOT claims that the machines make a modest profit so ya know the Republicans would be on board if the numbers ain't cooked (which I doubt). BTW coffee & water are FREE:
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu May 21 01:34:42 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by kp5308 on Wed May 20 23:57:00 2015. So in other words, bring your own food onto the train. :-) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Thu May 21 05:56:59 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu May 21 01:34:42 2015. I usually do anyway :o) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 07:59:13 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Wed May 20 22:54:11 2015. bump |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 08:00:05 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by kp5308 on Thu May 21 05:56:59 2015. Of course. Why buy overpriced crap onboard when you can bring anything you want yourself? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 08:01:06 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by kp5308 on Thu May 21 05:56:59 2015. Always be prepared. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 21 09:26:59 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 19:20:20 2015. Joe is correct at least as far as my riding is concerned. (I have been on the Lake Shore fairly often since 1998)Depending on when, the food service has been: 1 lounge to Boston, 1 Diner to NYC 1 lounge to Boston, 1 Diner and 1 Lounge to NYC 1 lounge ALB-BOS added to the Boston section, 1 diner and 1 lounge to NYC No food service to boston, 1 Diner and 1 Lounge to NYC Boston transfer train/bus, 1 diner and 1 lounge to NYC Boston transfer train/bus, 2 lounges to NYC |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 21 09:33:38 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 19:18:15 2015. No. Back then the Boston car was a lounge too. They offered (and still do) sit down meal service in that lounge car, but it is and has been an Amfleet or Horizon (or perhaps earlier on Heritage) lounge car in which that service was offered. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 12:27:16 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Thu May 21 09:33:38 2015. Thanks for correcting him. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 21 12:28:26 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 19:08:57 2015. The Ethan Allen has never had a dining car. The only dining car through Albany is (and for decades has been) the NYP-CHI Lake shore. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 21 12:39:01 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Thu May 21 12:28:26 2015. Oh boy. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 21 15:24:39 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 20 21:51:21 2015. That used to be the norm. These days, even the bar owners get tipped since in many cases unless you are a regular, you would really have no way of knowing if the person behind the bar is the owner or not. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 21 15:30:50 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by randyo on Thu May 21 15:24:39 2015. Some owners of establishments aren't particularly vigilant in making sure that no customer makes the gaffe of tipping the owner. :)I went a few times to a haircutting establishment where I knew my hair was being cut by the owner and he asked in some kind of semi-subtle way whether my payment was including a tip or not (I think I gave him a round sum of money more than the price and he asked if I wanted change). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 16:14:28 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Thu May 21 09:26:59 2015. I guess for the few times I went east from here, it was the exception rather than the rule then after the mid-90's. Prior to then, coming FROM Boston, there was almost always a diner which would get turned or would continue on. But like you point out, all depends on the train - it varies. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 16:15:54 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Thu May 21 09:33:38 2015. Sounds like we're dealing with anti-semantics here then. I had gotten used to a sit down meal across the Berkshires heading back this way most of the time. It was rare that it was packaged snacks. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 16:20:10 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Thu May 21 12:28:26 2015. It's a cafe car, every run.
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:29:09 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 16:15:54 2015. No, it sounds like you are wrong, again, as you usually are. An Amfleet lounge car is clearly not a dining car. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:29:42 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 16:20:10 2015. A cafe car is not a dining car. So you were wrong. Again. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 23:36:09 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:29:09 2015. Pssssst! Mr. Potatohead ... this is NOT an Amfleet. There was a whole world out there already before your mom dropped you on the floor. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:41:40 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 23:36:09 2015. Huh? That's a diner. R30A told you that you are wrong and that it is and has only been a lounge car, including Amfleets. You agreed with him. So why are you posting a photo of a diner? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 23:43:04 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:29:42 2015.  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu May 21 23:41:40 2015. Wow, just wow. Do you even KNOW the difference between a club car, a lounge car, a cafe or a diner? Seriously?On a few trips out of Boston on the ONLY train that runs to Albany from there, they often had a DINER on the consist. Now go back and read what I said before. It almost ALWAYS went back to Boston if it was in the consist out of Rensselaer *WHEN* there was a diner on it. See this?  THAT'S a diner car. It has tables and seats. All of the other arrangements, if you're lucky, has maybe a shelf opposite where they serve SNACKS if there's anything at all offered. Just because you never did it, or any of your "friends" never did it, doesn't mean that it never happened. I said that I had a SIT DOWN meal. You can't do that on anything OTHER than a diner, you dumbass piece of self-flagellating arguing shit. Ah. That feels better, thanks! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:30:21 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015. Oh ... and here's the menu for 449, which is the BOSTON section of train 49 (Lake Shore Limited) ...http://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/531/211/Lake-Shore-Limited-449-Dining-Car-Menu-0515.pdf |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Fri May 22 03:39:21 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 23:36:09 2015. rekt |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 04:02:26 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri May 22 03:39:21 2015. Hardly. :(We're dealing with foamers and idiots here who INSIST that just like there's always an R68-something on the D train, then Amtrak will always make up the same consist for each train every time. :) I've only ridden into here from Boston maybe 12 times since 1976. There was USUALLY a diner car since the Boston section of the Lake Shore usually arrives here just around dinner time these days. It USED to be a lot later and with an 8'ish hookup here to head west, passengers would be MIGHTY grumpy after the 5+ hour trip across CSX' rails if they couldn't eat until they got here. But hey ... what do I know? I guess I never tipped those waiters and should get my money back after a fine meal. (grin) WHICH diner went west (when there WAS one) might have been as simple as making sure that ONE diner car managed to make it to Chicago. Amtrak's been through a lot of shit over the years, and protecting your premiere train can take many forms around here. Folks who are NOT from the city don't piss and moan, they reach for their gun. ;) But no sense arguing with know-it-alls who actually believe that the universe started when they were breech-birthed. Heh. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 22 07:27:54 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 21 23:36:09 2015. That photo is of the entire lake shore consist. That car came from NYP. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 22 07:28:27 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:30:21 2015. That Menu is for sit down service in an Amfleet. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 22 07:49:35 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015. That's a more recent photo of one of 10 rebuilt diners.I know because of the way they reupholstered the seatbacks in a horrid way. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 22 08:13:00 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015. But that sit down meal you had was likely on a Horizon or Amfleet II dinette/lounge. They are regularly used for such on the Lake Shore Boston segment, Cardinal, and in a pinch elsewhere should there not be enough Heritage Diners available.Neither Boston nor Albany has a commissary for dining cars. I believe the expenses associated with such were a big part of why the Silver Meteor was not extended to Boston from NYP in the late 1990s. I'll work out the numbers for earlier years later, but the spare factor of the Heritage dining fleet has not been such which would allow 2 additional Heritage dining cars to shuttle between Albany and Boston at any time in the last decade. In fact, it was low enough that the Lake Shore had to settle with two Lounge cars for a few years around 2008 where one of the two acted as Dining car. I honestly don't know what specific iteration of dining service you are recalling to, but if it was after 1980, the actual car it was provided in was a lounge of some kind. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 22 08:32:09 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 22 08:13:00 2015. They had Heritage lounge cars of all kinds. They may have mimicked a dining car, but a conventional 48-seat diner it was not.There was a proposal in the late 1990's to reintroduce the Broadway Ltd (realized the Downs/Mercer cuts were stupid), run the Lake Shore as a full service train to Boston and NO NY section. Lack of a Boston Diner Commissary and no easy way to cycle the car to Hialeah for maintenance was the reason it was nixed. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:35:12 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 22 07:28:27 2015. OWN3D!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:38:14 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 22 08:13:00 2015. Thank you again. It's like we're talking to a wall. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:38:43 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 22 08:32:09 2015. Thanks for your support. SelkirkTMO is an ass. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 22 08:48:03 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:38:43 2015. Difference of opinion or observation does not constitute an "ass". |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:53:15 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 22 08:48:03 2015. Difference of opinion or observation does not constitute an "ass".This has nothing to do with difference of opinion or observation. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 22 08:53:47 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015. Wow, just wow. Do you even KNOW the difference between a club car, a lounge car, a cafe or a diner? Seriously?Why do I need to know it when: 1. You DON'T know it; and 2. I'm not the one making the claims that you are wrong - but several OTHER people are. I'm just repeating what they are saying, because it's F'ing hilarious how you let it come in one ear and straight out the other. On a few trips out of Boston on the ONLY train that runs to Albany from there, they often had a DINER on the consist. Now go back and read what I said before. It almost ALWAYS went back to Boston if it was in the consist out of Rensselaer *WHEN* there was a diner on it.As you've been told many times, there hasn't been a diner on the Boston section. Just because you never did it, or any of your "friends" never did it, doesn't mean that it never happened.Likewise, just because you're a dumbass spouting BS doesn't mean it DID happen. My "friends" know WAY WAY WAY way way way more about Amtrak than you do. I can't imagine why you would disagree with them when your knowledge can't even compare, plus don't forget how often you are wrong in general, even on NYC subway topics. I said that I had a SIT DOWN meal. You can't do that on anything OTHER than a dinerAre you sure? Because everyone has been telling you otherwise and you're ignoring them. You're such an idiot. you dumbass piece of self-flagellating arguing shit.My my, look at how your chickens have come home to roost... |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 22 10:09:42 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 22 08:13:00 2015. Just to throw a few numbers out there:In 1990, there were 32 active diners(Counting the car with a kitchen as a dining car for Amtrak's home made Florida twin units). At the time, requirements for Single Level Dining car service were IINM: 7 for Silver service 4 for Auto train(2 per consist) 4 for the Crescent 2 for the Cardinal 3 for the Broadway Limited 3 for the New York Lake Shore 3 for the Capitol Limited (Designated as a tray meal service, so it could have used a lounge, however I have seen photos of this train with a dining car around then) Adding 2 for the Boston section of the Lake shore would have been problematic, especially as the then single level and dinerless City of New Orleans needed them had they been available. In 2001, there were 23-26 active Single level dining cars 12 for Silver service 4 for the Crescent 3 for the New York Lake Shore With 7 spares 2 to Boston is theoretically more possible, but at the time they were rebuilding the Heritage diners so fewer were available than appeared. This was also about when I started riding the Boston section of the Lake Shore, and it never had Dining cars then. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 22 15:56:21 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 20 21:38:30 2015. Ehh, it's a matter of culture. It's an easier non-verbal way of expressing (dis)pleasure, and an incentive for waiters to do better. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 22 16:11:35 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 22 10:09:42 2015. How many diners are left now? I got the impression that the number is still around 2 dozen until the Viewliner IIs come on line. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 22 16:42:09 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 22 16:11:35 2015. Now I'm straightened out to what The Carolinian has.(Coffe Cup Symbol) Lounge: - Cafe with table seating: Sandwiches, snacks and beverages. - Carolinian Dinette: Sandwiches, snacks and beverages. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 22 16:51:47 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 20 17:55:39 2015. Thanks for posting that image. When I worked up there,, I stayed at the Arsenal Motel, on Broadway, Watervliet, NY.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 17:06:42 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 22 16:51:47 2015. So long gone, google can't find a trace of it. I was hoping to find it for you for giggles, but not a trace. :( |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 22 17:22:25 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 02:19:31 2015. Actually, Unca Selkirk, I beg to differ with you on one point: I go back and forth all the time on Regionals between Newark and PHL/BAL/WAS, for filming and other business, and I can get hot food from the Amtube cafe car that has a microwave, and sit down at one of its tables to eat.Yes, it's not a full diner, but you can sit down and eat there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 22 17:28:00 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri May 22 17:22:25 2015. The one I see on the Ethan Allen only has shelves opposite the "bar" where you can put your food down if you want to get bumped by the line passing through. They DO have a microwave, but the feed stock for it looks rather unappealing. I usually just do a beer and some snacky thing, being careful to eat at Penn before getting on it.The usual trains though from NYP To RENS have nothing, and that's OK too. Those are usually what I'll grab out of the city. From Boston, it's the Lake Shore or a bus. |
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