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Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 15 18:45:50 2015, in response to Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 12 21:35:00 2015. Update |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 15 18:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 18:39:07 2015. Eee-sixty-see-ach!!! |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 18:51:07 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R30A on Fri May 15 18:47:28 2015. (grin) |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 20:43:44 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 02:22:12 2015. Yeah, but it had to slide by the eyes of federal regulators. I could see it in a yard with speed governed to <15mph, or with PTC, but not elsewhere. |
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You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri May 15 20:52:32 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 18:51:07 2015. This adds a whole new dimension to the tragic events on Tuesday.Cab Signal Failure on S/B Trip |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 15 21:11:07 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 17:52:45 2015. Actually, he was not indited or charged with any crime whatsoever.As far as his employment status with Metro-North, I don't know. |
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AMTRAK CEO:"AMTRAK Takes Full Responsibility for Crash"...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by heypaul on Fri May 15 21:11:27 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 18:30:28 2015. Since CEO Boardman's admission that Amtrak takes full responsibility for the crash, I predict that Engineer Bostian, as soon as he is fully recovered, will resume piloting Amtrak trains along the northeast corridor.it's our fault |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:08:55 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 20:43:44 2015. Agreed, but the railroads won that war and congress approved a LONG time ago. Congress could put those rules back too, but they won't. :( |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:18:28 2015, in response to You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by heypaul on Fri May 15 20:52:32 2015. Wow, just wow. :(I wish I could say I was surprised here. Meanwhile, our good friends in DC decided to cut even more out of Amtrak. What could POSSIBLY go wrong if they have even less than they already didn't have? :( Meanwhile, more protection money for Saudi. |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri May 15 23:28:48 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:18:28 2015. Wish we could cut those asshole to minimum wage.....and then we'd still be overpaying them.Jimmymc25 |
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Re: AMTRAK CEO:''AMTRAK Takes Full Responsibility for Crash''...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:33:03 2015, in response to AMTRAK CEO:"AMTRAK Takes Full Responsibility for Crash"...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by heypaul on Fri May 15 21:11:27 2015. Given the unfolding information, it's quite likely that once he's cleared, he'll want to get back up on the horse. Even more likely that Amtrak is going to have a new union leader if what happened on his westbound bears out. I mean where do you go after Amtrak? CSX? Doubtful. |
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Posted by nostalgia on Fri May 15 23:33:20 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 09:47:33 2015. Not necessarily. Some through trains from HBG to NYP and NYP to HBG have the same engineer. |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri May 15 23:42:19 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri May 15 23:28:48 2015. That's the irony. Who would want to take on the responsibility of serving in Congress for minimum wage except for rich people seeking to maximize their gains? |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:43:58 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri May 15 23:42:19 2015. Exactly. I say they should pay US money or just go the fuck home. :) |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:44:43 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri May 15 23:28:48 2015. Like I just said to AEM. Given how useless they've been, let's just archive the existing laws and close the place down. Then we can do the same up here. :) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 15 23:50:10 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 12:37:31 2015. Looks like PRR 1860 and PRR 3941 wrapped around that signal bridge, with diners 8023 and 8024 right behind.wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:57:16 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 15 23:50:10 2015. Good eye! I can barely tell what I was looking at there. :( |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 16 01:07:08 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 15 21:11:07 2015. You're right, my bad on the earlier post. |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 16 01:08:02 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by R30A on Fri May 15 18:13:36 2015. That second option, given the windshield could very well have been the case. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 16 01:12:05 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by R30A on Fri May 15 18:13:36 2015. If true, that changes everything. |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 16 03:12:35 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri May 15 21:11:07 2015. The Daily Mail (take it for what it's worth) quotes his lawyer as saying he hasn't been able to work because of PTSD. |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 16 03:22:11 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by AlM on Sat May 16 03:12:35 2015. Well, anyone with a functional moral center should be fairly crazy after that event. Its the ones who can just go back the next week maintaining its all dealt with that I wouldn't trust. |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 07:53:18 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:18:28 2015. And that is the problem with the government's management of everything. They cannot manage the inside of a wet paper bag, and you want them to manage a railroad, a military, a space program, and pay welfare to everybody who does not have a job.And you think that government health care will help? You are barking up the wrong tree. It is a wonder that congress critters can get to the bathroom without soiling themselves! Government by the stupid for the stupid. Private Sector? Greedy bags that they are! Nope. China and India will be the new superpowers, Iran will control the world, and you had better darn well know which way Mecca is. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 08:03:24 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 02:15:50 2015. PTC is not worth the effort. It should be full ATC, with an engineer to supervise the machine rather than a machine to supervise the engineer.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 08:06:55 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 02:22:12 2015. Some savings, eh? Two men can nod off at the same time. Even Three!More warm bodies in the cab will not help, but may cause even more distractions. Put two fully qualified engineers in the cab, with the controls between them like an old B-17. Both are in full control of the train. Maybe. Or just let the machines do the work and let the engineer just watch. ROAR |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 16 08:23:58 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 08:06:55 2015. People could just stay home. That would help.your pal, Fred |
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Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 16 08:47:05 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 07:53:18 2015. And that is the problem with the government's management of everything. They cannot manage the inside of a wet paper bag, and you want them to manage a railroad, a military, a space program, and pay welfare to everybody who does not have a job.And you think that government health care will help? You are barking up the wrong tree. It is a wonder that congress critters can get to the bathroom without soiling themselves! Government by the stupid for the stupid. Private Sector? Greedy bags that they are! Nope. China and India will be the new superpowers, Iran will control the world, and you had better darn well know which way Mecca is. Broadway: Sometimes it is hard to credit your comments.You're an intelligent man. I can only assume that its early in the morning and you haven't had your porridge yet. Our government is not perfect. It never was and never will be. Its a work in progress. No man or state is an island onto itself We depend upon each other. Minot AFB is located in your home state of North Dakota. It employs over five thousand military and several hundred civilian workers. The base requires a lot of food and supplies which in turn create jobs and puts money into the local economy. Is this welfare? We could close the base. One base more or less won't make much difference. The economic impact to the community would be devastating. Are you prepared to make it up? The point is that this base is run by the same government that you damm. I don't know your past history but I have lived in a dictatorship where you did not criticize the government in word or deed. You might have landed in jail for your comments or just simply disappeared. America is only as perfect or imperfect as we make it. If you don't like our government I suggest that you do something to change it. Get out and vote, organize political action committees, take out notices in the newspapers but don't sit home and blame the guys in Washington for your troubles. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 16 08:47:44 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 17:52:45 2015. He was not found anything! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 16 08:48:23 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 16 01:07:08 2015. My bad on not reading Mr. Jim's post first. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 16 08:50:38 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 16 08:47:05 2015. +1000 |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 16 08:56:41 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 23:44:43 2015. I have often said that the only thing more dangerous than a standing army is a standing legislature. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 09:24:00 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 08:03:24 2015. Full ATC to use speed limits as cab signal drops for every curve would slow down the entire RR. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 16 10:00:54 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 15 13:11:01 2015. out of service with no pay now for 18 months. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:28:30 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sat May 16 08:47:05 2015. :) Your sarcasm detector on a holiday? And yes, that *was* before I had my porridge. But looking to the government is not the answer to anything, but what the answer is, I know not. Maybe the answer is "42".ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:30:29 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 09:24:00 2015. Only if you program it that way. And who says that curve has to stay there anyway. AMTK is a government entity, they can use eminent domain to re align their tracks as needed. There curves will have to go if we are to have true HSR.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:32:23 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Fred G on Sat May 16 08:23:58 2015. Nah, people gotta move, and trains is the best. Beats roads and air any day, leastwise on that run. But really, it is just a big long elevator laying on its side.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 16 10:33:58 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:32:23 2015. What is it laying on its side? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:35:12 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 16 10:00:54 2015. Shit. I'd have put him to work somewhere. MNCR is a big place, surely there is a place for him still. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 16 10:51:40 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 08:06:55 2015. "just let the machines do the work...Isn't that the way it is with todays modern locos'??? The computer runs the engine & the engineer runs the computer, more or less, no? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 16 11:05:43 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:35:12 2015. That's what I'm wondering...they couldn't have found an inside job for him somewhere? Even cops, firefighters, and EMTs that get jammed up, are given "modified assignment" while they wait for their day in the Trial Room... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 12:16:00 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat May 16 10:51:40 2015. If so,it would have slowed down for the curve.ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sat May 16 12:27:48 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 16 11:05:43 2015. As I posted, the Daiiy Mail quotes his lawyer saying he can't work because he has PTSD. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 12:29:07 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 12:16:00 2015. Because computers never screw up?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 16 12:32:12 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 12:29:07 2015. The program |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 12:35:19 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 16 12:32:12 2015. Sure! :)As Donkey said in Shrek, "Let's do THAT again!" :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 16 12:36:05 2015, in response to Re: You Won't Believe What Happened on Bostian's Earlier S/B Trip on TuesdayRe: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 16 08:56:41 2015. And even worse, when they're seated. :) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 13:39:13 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 16 10:30:29 2015. Yes, those curves need to go away. It is warehouses and junk commercial in a blighted area should be easy to condemn, assuming Nutter does not make an issue.FRA is mandating both curves be reduced to 45MPH, immediately, and enforced by ordinary cab signals. The preceding block cannot remain at 125MPH. Think timed-signals approaching the Crescent Street curve. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 16 13:57:13 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 13:39:13 2015. If I understand the explanations correctly, Amtrak could have implementedthe safety enforcement decades ago. Why they did SBonly is a mystery. As to straightening out the ROW, yes, thaty part ofPhilly is a near desert. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 15:10:13 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 16 13:57:13 2015. Westbound speed drop was from 125 to 50Eastbound was from 80 to 50, so not considered worthwhile. Some have a philosophical opposition to using the old ATC cab signals system as a means to enforce speed limits, and do it only where FRA has told them to, or they had a wreck. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sat May 16 16:09:56 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Sat May 16 13:39:13 2015. ??I don't understand how reducing the speed limit makes the curve any safer. If the engineer is knocked out or unaware of their location, speed limit x is as useless as speed limit x+5. Posting it for 2mph would have made no difference in this case. If anything, that curve needs a higher limit, and some form of automatic control for fallback. The train made it 3/4 around the turn at over double the posted speed, the needed speed safety margin is less than 100%, therefore (in my amateur opinion) the posted speed is too low. |
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