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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 12:24:55 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 12:05:15 2015. Somehow I'm coming to realize that maybe the reporter in the original article was referring to the power off position on the controller. That IS a "first point" after all even if it isn't switching. :)That all said, we were taught to not even release until the light came on because as Paul used to put it, "the indication fairy giveth, the indication fairy taketh away. And woe be to ye if you're rolling and that light goes out." Heh. Sometimes some numbnuts would grab a door and the key would turn again back there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 12:27:16 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 12:14:07 2015. Yeah, I considered things happy if I had ten pounds for a stop, just the way I rolled. Bear in mind the only prewars I did were arnines and some of them were pretty loose. And many wouldn't move if you took power. (grin) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 13:13:26 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:29:41 2015. Maybe it was 71 or 72... I do not remember very much. I was working in the news room pulling copy off of the teletypes.ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:25:42 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 12:20:50 2015. I can;t see how the end doors on the steels could be unlocked since the end excess on the cars made it extremely dangerous to walk between cars and they cars also lacked safety chains. In fact back then even when the R-9s were sent to the BMT the doors were kept locked between cars as well as the doors between D type units. What you may have seen was a light train going from Jamaica to DO Yd during which time the C/R might have opened the doors to perform certain employee functions. End (or bulkhead) doors on the steels were electro pneumatically controlled both from the C/R’s operating position and by a special handle adjacent to the end doors and were opened only for employee or emergency use. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 13:32:49 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:29:41 2015. Did you see where Scelsa is retiring sometime soon at WFMU?Makes me feel old - Vinnie was my fave jock at NEW FM....even with the crappy signal we got up here, used to listen to that station ALL the time... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:33:58 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 13:13:26 2015. AH ... Jim Gordon and his cast of 20. You probably knew Peggy Stockton and Bob Hagen then. Edward Brown, Ike Pappas and Reid Collins along with Jim were the golden throats on the hour and the half over there. I didn't spend much time on the AM side, spent a good amount of it either on 46th on the FM side or up on Empire kicking the antique Harris up there. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:51:08 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 13:32:49 2015. Vin was a LOT of fun, really great guy. Yeah, he's a couple of years older than me so it's probably time. Here's a shot of him from back in my time there with Steve Goodman and Dave Amram:Nowadays he has that Truman Capote look going. Heh. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 14:06:24 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 02:40:49 2015. Hmm I think I might do that! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:19:49 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 14:06:24 2015. Worth the trip from anywhere!Where else can you do revenue with hand throws on the MAINLINE? You even get to wrap it around and scare the crap out of your trainmaster! They even let Unca Larry (our webmeister here) run an arnine: And there's plenty of other toys to play with ... (That's me and Uncle Thurston next to the Manhattan Elevated car) And sweet mysteries of life ... IRT and IND, perfect together! And we've got your damned SMEE right here. :) |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 14:26:01 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:51:08 2015. Vin was at his best on his Sunday morning Idiot's Delight, where it was the perfect mix to listen to while trying to figure out where your head was....Its crazy that the only ones really left from that station still working (and quite frankly, still alive with Scelsa)are the Neer brothers - Richard still in WFAN, I think, and Dano pops up on Sirius/XM from time to time.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:41:45 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 14:26:01 2015. I knew Richard ("Don't call me Dick") at LIR, and was highly amused when he came over to NEW. Real great guy too. Scottso had a habit of hiring some really cool people. I was delighted when he picked up Al Bernstein as well. Al and I go WAY back to my pirate station, WXVU. :) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 16:42:31 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:33:58 2015. You, SelkirkTMO, once worked for the PTL network when you were a Republican I think. You are now quote unaffiliated unquote just like one GP38/R42 Chris. Unreal. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 16:55:09 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 16:42:31 2015. Yep, 1980 and 81. WFTI-TV54, originally owned by Jim and Tammy in partnership with the Donald Duck Bottling Plant of Lynchburg (a/k/a Falwell) until that unfortunate "under the couch" incident whereupon Paul and Jan Crouch (TBN) bought the smoking remains and sold it all off to various and sundry in Highland, NY and put up a satellite dish in the parking lot to feed the metal up on Illinois Mountain without benefit of local anybody.Cured both of us of being republican though. The cure WORKED! :) |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 17:05:26 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:19:49 2015. Damn....pictures of both you AND our host here.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:04:21 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 12:18:19 2015. I had an R-21 storm door open once while running express up 7th Ave. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:06:06 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 14 19:55:56 2015. Of course, in later years, the storm doors on the BMT standards didn't always stay locked. That's when a 2x6 would be jammed diagonally against the handle. I remember that very well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:06:41 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:53:17 2015. I was going to say something about that, too. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:07:50 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:25:42 2015. Weren't the storm doors on the R-16s locked when they originally came on board? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:08:27 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 17:41:38 2015. Toastmaster - I like that.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:09:24 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 12:05:15 2015. And I remember seeing motorman do just that on the 6000s! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:12:36 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 08:08:56 2015. Hey Kev, what about that photo of you in 1689's cab with the "This is MY train and I don't want to hear any wisecracks" look on your face?:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:15:15 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:19:49 2015. Even Dougie was allowed to run 1689. Never mind his sadistic leer as we hurtled down the straightaway... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:27:01 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:12:36 2015. Do you mean THIS one? I always looked like this when running, so that's my regular serious cat mug. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:29:36 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:15:15 2015. Heh. The hazards of a BMT motorman running an arnine while sucking on a stogie and then doing hand gestures. In the hole! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:32:14 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:29:36 2015. I miss Dougie. :( |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 19:35:25 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:32:14 2015. I miss Dougie:(Not a problem. Here |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 19:50:34 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 19:35:25 2015. Heh. Wrong Dougie. :)Another fine member in good standing of the Branford ratpack, last seen doing his impression of Luciano in a BMT gate car prior to getting hired up by the Empty-yay and observing radio silence when DeKalb is begging for his call sign. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 05:22:12 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Apr 15 17:05:26 2015. Shhhhhhhh! Like "Bert" on the old show "SOAP", Larry is invisible! :) |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:35:53 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:19:49 2015. Has it been more than 10 years since the Branford Charters? Hard to believe. Seemed like it was just yesterday I was sneaking out of Sando with a primered R17 and Mr. RT in tow.-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:59:54 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:35:53 2015. Soooooooooo... How many places do you know where an R9 gets to run solo (and wild, heh)? This picture...priceless.-Stef |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 16 08:32:53 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Apr 14 21:31:05 2015. I'll second that! (Hic!) |
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Posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 16 08:40:47 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:25:42 2015. No, I remember it clearly several times riding standards in revenue service in the 1940's. In fact, in the early 1950's I wondered why the doors were locked. Maybe employees inadvertently left the doors unlocked. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 16 08:52:53 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 12:18:19 2015. I was probably about 6 years old at the time and frankly, I found it a bit scary.Bob |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Apr 16 09:18:43 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 14:19:49 2015. Nice! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:27:36 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:35:53 2015. Yeah, amazing, isn't it? And quite a few of us still here. Except for Dougie, I miss him ever since he went to work at the Empty-yay. 6688 has come a long way though and has been a star in many a movie. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:32:41 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:59:54 2015. IND Bronx River Division might work. Had the IND retained the Dyre line instead of handing it over to the Irish railroad, that might very well be what it would look like. Heh. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 16 17:37:00 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 06:59:54 2015. Branford and the overhead wire, 3rd rail not permitted in Museums, we would have a clamity. |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 17:43:09 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:27:36 2015. 6688 will always have folks to keep an eye on her...-Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 17:46:23 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Apr 16 17:37:00 2015. 3rd rail would add to the realism, but as you've said it would be problematic. I'm grateful the RT cars can run, even if they have trolley poles on top.-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:49:18 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by FtGreeneG on Thu Apr 16 09:18:43 2015. You'll definitely want to make it out there sometime. The beauty of the old cars is that you had to feel your way with them and they'd tell you with the gearing how fast you were going and air puffs let you know what your brakes were doing. Whole different world from the video games you work these days. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:53:41 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 17:46:23 2015. One could always line up old, rotted ties next to the rails on one side and kinda fake it. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:54:47 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 17:43:09 2015. Yep! To this day we still refer to the individual cars by the names of those who loved them. "Steffie's car" and "Dougie's car" and on and on. :) |
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Posted by Stef on Thu Apr 16 18:05:21 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:54:47 2015. Thanks Friend!-Stef |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 18:58:48 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Apr 15 19:07:50 2015. Yes as was also the case with the R-27s. Shortly after the R-27s were placed in service, the TA decided that since the end excess on the R types was not dangerous like the steels, the doors between cars should remain unlocked. However even though the D types were also as safe as the R-types, I don’t believe they were ever unlocked. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:02:22 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:32:41 2015. As long as you mentioned it, it’s interesting to note that although the Dyre line was legally a part of the IND Division in the beginning, the Hagstrom maps always showed it in the blue color of the IRT probably because of the IRT equipment used. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:06:59 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:54:47 2015. When the first rapid transit cars arrived at Branford, they were initially not well received. Since the late M/M Henry Ruschmeyer was instrumental in adding these cars to the museum, some of the not too pleased members referred to those cars as the “Rubbishmeyer Collection." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 19:31:50 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:02:22 2015. I found that highly amusing. If only there were something on the south end of the line to connect to, it probably would have been an IND line. But since the city bought the railroad, it did have to be part of the city's inventory and the IND fit that bill legally. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 19:34:54 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:06:59 2015. Yeah, as late as 2001, the "trolley jolly" attitude continued to prevail there. It's historically important to preserve streetcars by all means, and it's great to see so many of them so well taken care of. However as the older folks go to the carbarn in the sky, the only way that history will be preserved into the future is to maintain later equipment that younger people can relate to or those streetcars will also go to the carbarn in the sky as surely as there are very very few stagecoach museums that attract crowds and money to maintain them.I do understand the attitude, but it's counterproductive now. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:25:22 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 16 08:40:47 2015. I doubt that the employees would have inadvertently left the doors unlocked since they were controlled from the C/R’s button board in the master car so they definitely wouldn’t have been open in the C/R’s operating car or the cars either side of it. On the BMNT’s steels the end excess was so severe that the end doors actually passed out of sight of each other on sharp curves such as Crescent St or over switches such as the ones between Chambers and Canal. Any passenger attempting to cross between cars under those condition would be killed or at best, severely injured. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 16 22:01:00 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 17:49:18 2015. And if you blow in their ear, they'll follow you everywhere.:) |
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