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Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015 Thought folks might enjoy this narrative of the NYC subways from the wayback machine:Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:09:16 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. For some reason, the page 1 link lands you on the second page of the article, there's a page one ahead of it. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 13 23:36:21 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. What a great read. A bit melodramatic, though - everything is life and death!I love the idea of standing at the rail fan window -- an open one, apparently -- with the wind blowing through your hair. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 00:08:00 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 13 23:36:21 2015. Yep ... and every piece of writing back then was dramatic, had to clutch the reader and grab them by the nuts. :) |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 00:33:35 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 13 23:36:21 2015. "rail fan window -- an open one, apparently"This was done on the IRT and BMT prior to city ownership. Once the city took over, I was told, the storm doors were always closed, in service. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 00:39:16 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 00:33:35 2015. 
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Posted by menJop on Tue Apr 14 02:13:12 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 00:39:16 2015. Awesome.5 litigating stars out of 5 litigating stars for that cartoon. [with apologies to chud1 :)] |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 03:06:55 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by menJop on Tue Apr 14 02:13:12 2015. Heh. He has already retained our firm under the DCMA. We'll see you in Court Street. :) |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Apr 14 04:27:02 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by menJop on Tue Apr 14 02:13:12 2015. no apologies needed menJop.chud1. :)..... |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Apr 14 08:41:09 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 00:33:35 2015. I do recall riding a Low-V one time with the door open. It was during my childhood, around 1956, riding towards Manhattan from Rutland Rd-Sutter Av. I knocked on the motorman's door and he came out and locked it at Utica Av.Bob |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 12:18:19 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by GIS Man on Tue Apr 14 08:41:09 2015. Thanks for posting this info. Must have been nice to look out the open door though, till the motorman locked it shut. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Apr 14 16:43:57 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. I love the ads in these Depression-era 1930s magazines. A lot of 'study at home' stuff. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 17:03:55 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. A really great find Kevin. I love it and already posted it on all my Facebook groups. (But someone who is computer savy would have started at page one and not posted a link to page two. But eventually you'll get the hang of computers) |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 17:06:03 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:09:16 2015. Yeah right. Then how come when I posted the link on FB it went to page one. Someone should get a book on computer 101. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Apr 14 17:17:02 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Dan on Tue Apr 14 16:43:57 2015. Not very different from daytime cable with all the ads for the DeVry Institute and so... |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 17:41:38 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 17:03:55 2015. Heh. If you check the link itself, it SAYS page one. I filed a problem report with the toastmaster, but looks like he's already rebooted. :) |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 17:42:46 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 17:06:03 2015. I plead the fifth ... of Hennessey. :)
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:11:31 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 00:33:35 2015. The open storm door operation was only done on the IRT. The BMT kept all its end doors (called “bulkhead doors” in BMTspeak) locked including those between cars due to the long end excess on the steels. Instead of keeping the end doors open, the bMT designed drop sash windows into the end doors to provide necessary ventilation during summer months. The article also seems to jumble the features of all 3 divisions into one since only the BMT steels had the M/M’s indication light on the controller itself and not the IRT cars which would be the only ones where end doors were opened on the ends of the trains. Also, the only cars that had the “button” on the top of the controller handle were the IRT’s Hi-Vs and Flivvers. On cars of the other divisions and on IRT Lo-Vs, the entire controller handle was hinged but both types did have to be held down to prevent motor power from being cut off and emergency brakes from applying. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 18:12:47 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:11:31 2015. See? Even in 1938, journalism had a few holes in it. :) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 18:13:24 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 17:42:46 2015. During Passover last week the only drink we could have other than wine was Slivowitz, 144 proof!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 18:15:00 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 18:13:24 2015. Plums ferment nicely. And sure beats where Vodka comes from. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 14 19:55:56 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:11:31 2015. Yes, I do recall riding with open drop-sash windows on the BMT when I was a teenager. What a thrill. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 20:00:19 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 18:13:24 2015. Slivowitz, 144 proof??That explains how my Mom, not a drinker, got a little bit lightheaded and silly at a wedding we attended many years ago! :) |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 20:31:35 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:11:31 2015. Thank you for clarifying. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Apr 14 21:31:05 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 20:00:19 2015. I adore good Slivowitz. And I'm not jewish. I am an equal opportunity drinker. I embrace all culture's alcohols. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 21:39:52 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Apr 14 21:31:05 2015. :)This wedding was non-Jewish....was Serbo-Croatian |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Apr 14 21:49:27 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 21:39:52 2015. I was given a bottle of very old, very kosher Slivovitz by my very non drinking friend when his dad passed away. It was old when I got it and there is just a few drops left now, alas.Just to keep this on-topic.... I love the picts of the M/M in the article. |
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Posted by jabrams on Tue Apr 14 23:14:36 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. The picture on page 1 needs clarification. It shows a regular A train on what would be the outside track that leads to the transit museum signed to wrong rail to Rockaway Ave. If it is on the S/B side (from the transit museum), then you are seeing the back of the train and it is signed incorrectly (reversed). I was under the impression that the shuttle only ran on the E/B side. However, this could have been a Manhattan bound train that was told to discharge at Hoyt, then go the Court St. Station to reverse. Any comments. |
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Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 23:42:09 2015, in response to Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 13 23:08:28 2015. The article said that motormen keep the controller on the first notch while the doors are open so as soon as the doors close the train immediately starts moving. Is that a common practice and is it allowed by supervision or frowned upon.BTW, my brother is a dispatcher for LIBus or Nice as it's called now and tells of a driver who was stopped in Flushing with the doors open for a while and didn't realize the transmission was in gear (reverse) so when he closed the doors the bus hit the bus parked behind him!!
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 00:02:54 2015, in response to Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 23:42:09 2015. Nope. Power off, brakes applied. You don't take power until after you've release. There's even an interlock that prevents that even if you did try that. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 00:19:23 2015, in response to Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 23:42:09 2015. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you mean to ask if the Motorman hold on to a minimum amount of brake(as opposed to full service brake) while door are open so they can move quicker when doors are closed as opposed to waiting for all air to release from the brakes which takes a couple of seconds. Many T/O's I know do this. On smee equipment I hold about 10-15 lb of brake unless I'm on a steep grade. Don't do it on New Tech equipment BC the brakes release so quick anyway. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 00:31:47 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 00:19:23 2015. Yep. But the article suggested otherwise. On the prewar equipment, you could use "electric hold" which would vent the system (and allow you to charge back up) and it would only hold your ten pounds in the cylinders while the pipes themselves were in full release.I think whoever wrote the article wasn't really paying much attention and didn't understand what was being explained, but for the matter of the article, it really didn't matter much. The old journal bearing equipment would allow you to actually fully release at a stop and the journal bearings had so much internal friction that you wouldn't roll anyway unless you were on a 2% or higher grade. But if you didn't service quickly if you DID roll, your train would dump as a lesson not to do that the next time you stopped there. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 00:52:27 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Fulton Frank on Tue Apr 14 21:49:27 2015. just a few drops left now, alas - sounds like you enjoyed it!on-topic - looked through the article quickly - the initial picture of the IRT motorman also appears in Brian Cudahy's book Under the Sidewalks of NY. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 01:47:21 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 00:31:47 2015. Cool would have loved to operate some of the prewar equipment for just one day. The New Tech is cool to operate but older stuff is much more fun to operate. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 02:40:49 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 01:47:21 2015. I'm neither a M/M nor a museum member, but have you ever considered operating the equipment up at Branford? I've been up there and watched as members have operated the BU, 1227, and the R9. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 06:59:22 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 17:03:55 2015. They have the Internet on computers now? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 15 07:28:06 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 15 06:59:22 2015. I'll ask Dan Lawrence. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 07:40:31 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by FtGreeneG on Wed Apr 15 01:47:21 2015. Like Express said, join up at Branford and you can get a chance to do just that. The old school stuff made you work that right hand. :)No self-lapping, you had to take a bite of air and get the right amount, hold it and let it go to a smooth stop. Pull, lap, release and you were supposed to do that only once to a smooth stop, no fanning allowed. It's an acquired taste that comes fairly quickly. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 07:55:28 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 07:40:31 2015. Please post photographs of you and NOS operating SMEE equipment over in Branford. If you do not I promise you as sure as the sun rises in the eastern sky I will post a photograph and audio clip of The Nightbird I mean it I'll do it. You have until 160400Z(UTC) APR 15. Fair warning. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 08:08:56 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 07:55:28 2015. Heh. No bingbong handy running a SMEE, I considered them witchcraft and stuck with AMUE. Are you willing to settle for bingbong running an arnine? :)
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 10:42:36 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 07:55:28 2015.  Been there, Done that, Got the Brake Handle to proff it! ROAR |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 10:54:20 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 08:08:56 2015. After careful and deliberate consideration, I will make an exception this one time. You are using up your collateral at an alarming rate - I suggest you be better prepared the next time. Do not push your luck or I promise you I will post "Come, fly with me. Alison Steele, the Nightbird" audio. (Editorial Note: I do not condone, support, or otherwise encourage flying) |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:18:21 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 10:54:20 2015. LION was working at WNEW late one night, and had to carry some tape over to FM, and Alison Steele was on, and so I thought that I would meet her, but no, an engineer was running the records, and Alison was on tape.Oh Well. ROAR |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:29:41 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 11:18:21 2015. Heh. She did that a lot. My primary gig there was working for Mitch Katz as an engineer, but got to do oodles of vacation relief with the golden throat gig too. When was this? I was there in '72. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:33:22 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Apr 15 10:54:20 2015. And as for YOU, mon frere ... if your feeble attempt at blackmail has somehow caused you to underestimate my powers of revenge, then be forewarned. I have PICTURES of grandma and will blow away your sexual fantasies at the drop of "the hat." Word up. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:48:01 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 00:52:27 2015. I believe that picture is from an official IRT instruction m,annual. The original publication shows a series of photos of the M/M boarding a Lo-V from a station platform but the next shot shows him in the cab of a Hi-V. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:53:17 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by Express Rider on Tue Apr 14 20:31:35 2015. I left ot another error. The article mentions that the train will not take power with the doors open and the M/M would put the controller in an operating position waiting for the power to kick in when the indication came on. At that time, only the BMT cars had the safety door interlock and IRT and IND cars did not. Also, although I’m not completely familiar with BMT operating rules in the private company days, under city and later NYCTA operation, it was a violation for the M/M template the controller in an operating position before actually receiving indication regardless of the existence of the safety interlock. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 12:05:15 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 00:02:54 2015. I mentioned that in another post. Interestingly, however, CTA rules actually encouraged the M/M to place the controller on the first point until the indication kicked in in order to save time between the indication and the M/M energizing the controller. |
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Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 12:14:07 2015, in response to Re: Quest for Kevin or other Motormen Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 00:31:47 2015. Actually, electric holding would retain whatever brake cylinder pressure your application called for unless and until you graduated it off, not only 10 lbs. Then only time a train would dump if it rolled was if it rolled in reverse and your C/R pulled the cord. In most cases we were able to leave the brakes released while standing except on steep grades (145 St upper comes to mind). Although only 5 D type units had roller bearings, old time BMT M/M operating D types would hold a light brake just in case there might be a roller bearing unit in the consist. |
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Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938) |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Apr 15 12:20:50 2015, in response to Re: Flying the Subway Express (Feb, 1938), posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:11:31 2015. I remember back in the 1940's the end doors on the standards were unlocked (at least on the Jamaica BMT), but were locked a few years later. |
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