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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 18:52:14 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:31:06 2014. I have forgiven you,my son. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 19:32:31 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 18:52:14 2014. Can I borrow the car? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 26 20:39:38 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:33:24 2014. So? You were wrong. As you usually are. I, on the other hand, am almost never wrong. You can't even name 5 times I was wrong. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 23:15:21 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 26 20:39:38 2014. Okay...I'll play along.Being an Asshole,this just comes naturally to you. What is it this time...need someone to Show YOU how MUCH of an asshole you are because you just don't' get it? The FACT that YOU injected yourself into this,for no other reason than to say 'I'm wrong',without adding anything useful to the topic..makes YOU an asshole! Fact... You are a asshole. Fact... You do assholish things. Fact... YOU are an asshole. Fact. You couldn't be more 'wrong'. What a idiot. Get a job. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 27 00:47:11 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014. Regarding Woodhaven Blvd, the SBS money is in a different bucket (federal), so I don't see you or anyone else stopping this, even if you are able to make very good points.Not to mention the cost of SBS is four or five orders of magnitude less than the Rockaway Beach line, and it won't take a decade to build. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 02:36:27 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:46:30 2014. That was my view, mainly because of where Genting (parent company of Resorts World, which operates the Aqueduct casino) is based:Genting is based in Malaysia (the company is based there, not all the people who work there are from there I'm sure). The thing that is forgotten is the further away you get from New York, the more you have people who still think of lower Manhattan as "The Financial District" solely because of the New York Stock Exchange being there. My own experiences in dealing with people from many different countries and cultures has shown this, even if you point out to them that much of what once actually was "the financial district" isn't really anywhere near as much any longer. That was why I said what I did. That said, without that as a potential sticking point, I would now look at this scenario that does not change Brooklyn terminals: A revived (V) train returns and runs from 2nd Avenue to Rockaway Park, running it's old route (via 53rd Street like it used to run) until 63rd Street before breaking for the Rockaway Line. Unlike the old (V), this version would become a 24/7 line, allowing the (E) to return to being a 24/7 QB Express. The (M) would continue to be on 6th Avenue, however, the line after Broadway-Lafayette would run with the (F), stopping at 57th Street and 63rd/Lex in Manhattan and Roosevelt Island and 21st-Queensbridge before joining the QB line at 36th Street. The (M) and (R) in this scenario would both be extended to 179th Street on a full-time basis and with both lines being 24/7. What could be done here to avoid any backups would be when needed to have a train on the local at Parsons Boulevard move to the express track and skip 169th before terminating at 179. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 27 06:59:23 2014, in response to Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 02:36:27 2014. So what ends at Forest Hills? You've just dumped 3 trains into 179th St! |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Nov 27 09:21:34 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 27 06:59:23 2014. 179 St is a fairly good terminal (eight tracks on two levels) and could probably handle three services. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu Nov 27 10:05:56 2014, in response to Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 02:36:27 2014. Relying on preconceived notions doesn't sound like a good way to run a business. Are you sure they wouldn't do demographic analyses of riders along the potential routes and back whichever one is most profitable? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 11:00:38 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Nov 27 00:47:11 2014. It took five years for the B44 Nostrand Avenue line and that was much less complicated. It was originally scheduled to open in 2011, I believe. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 11:23:20 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 10:32:01 2014. What you say is true. However, you are ignoring the improved access to all of Queens that a new north-south Crosstown subway would have and that travel times would be reduced by 20 minutes or more for any different trips, much moreso than SBS old ever hope to achieve. You are also ignoring the economic imacts that this line would have to the surrounding areas in terms of new job opportunities, reduced unemployment, and increased property values. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 11:26:31 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 12:39:20 2014. I couldn't find any price tag in the report. Where is it? But I did see both LIRR and subway options discussed, so you are incorrect by saying the report was only for LIRR access to Penn Station. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 27 11:42:09 2014, in response to Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 02:36:27 2014. You want to run three services to 179th St. 24/7? Definitely no need for that, and it simply will not happen. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 11:52:46 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 11:23:20 2014. you are ignoring the improved access to all of Queens that a new north-south Crosstown subway would haveJust like the G train. The rationale for north-south Queens travel ignores geographic and historic realities. The Terminal Moraine effectively separated Queens into two distinct regions. The regions developed at different times and from the west. Therefore, travel and economic patterns for the two regions are east-west rather than north-south. You are also ignoring the economic imacts [impacts] that this line would have to the surrounding areas in terms of new job opportunities The only areas close to the ROW that are not built up are already used as parks and cemeteries. The one area that might be used for development - Aqueduct Racetrack - is beyond the RBB's scope and already served by the A train. Aqueduct lies in the flood plain, so don't expect too much development there. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 11:58:25 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 11:26:31 2014. I couldn't find any price tag in the report. Where is it?Here's the citation. Somebody used it as the basis for starting this thread. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 27 12:06:50 2014, in response to Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 02:36:27 2014. "The thing that is forgotten is the further away you get from New York, the more you have people who still think of lower Manhattan as "The Financial District" solely because of the New York Stock Exchange being there. My own experiences in dealing with people from many different countries and cultures has shown this, even if you point out to them that much of what once actually was "the financial district" isn't really anywhere near as much any longer. That was why I said what I did."Do these same people think there's still a Soviet Union too? Do they still think there's a separate East and West Germany? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 27 12:23:09 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 11:52:46 2014. Therefore, travel and economic patterns for the two regions are east-west rather than north-south.Obviously the biggest source of traffic is east-west, to Manhattan. But what evidence do you have that intra-Queens traffic is more east-west than north-south? I see plenty of well-used bus lines north-south. The north south traffic may of course still not be heavy to justify a subway line. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 12:31:27 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 27 12:23:09 2014. But what evidence do you have that intra-Queens traffic is more east-west than north-south?I've played with the data available in the data in the 2010 household travel survey. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 27 15:33:01 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:23:04 2014. The lcl/exp time difference between Queens Plaza and Jackson Hts is about 4 minutes. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 27 15:49:02 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Nov 27 09:21:34 2014. 2 of which people are going to largely ignore because they're locals. It's already been demonstrated when the R did it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 16:38:07 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 11:58:25 2014. Actually, it's in Goldfeder's press release of August 21st where he claims the Queens College study says it coud be rebuilt for under $1 billion. I took him at his word.Why don't you take the matter up with him? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:38:23 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 23:15:21 2014. You can't even name 5 times I was wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:42:05 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 27 12:06:50 2014. lol |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 16:49:50 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 27 11:52:46 2014. Don't forget the IND second system was never built greatly limiting the potential of the G train. It was also supposed to extend eastward along Lafayette (although I'm not sure if that was part of the Second System) and don't forget about the branch off McDoald along Fort Hamilton Parkway to Staten Island. Had those occurred, development would have been much denser and the G train may have been a major line. Also, it was severed from Queens Blvd, making it less useful tan before. Still, ridership is thriving on the G.You speak of the Terminal Moraine which also extends through Brooklyn, yet it doesn't seem to separate and divide Brooklyn as you claim it divides Queens. You talk about parks and cemeteries close to the ROW, yet much of te land is developed. However, it is developed with low usage industrial type development and low density residential. There is much opportunity for upzoning and increased land value. It certainly makes more sense to up zone there than along existing transit lines that are already almost filled to capacity as DeBlasio is proposing. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:45:38 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 27 15:49:02 2014. Different time and place:Ridership was MUCH lower in 1991 when the (R) went to 179 as I recall as opposed to now where its bursting at the seams. I would think now some would rather have the one-seat ride even if it local than take an express. Plus, the (F) in this scenario would now be an express all the way at all times (especially if the (M) and (R) are also 24/7 lines on QB) AND if there is a logjam between Parsons and 179, you can always send a local on the express after Parsons since it would only skip 169. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:48:17 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 27 12:06:50 2014. A lot of them see the NYSE there and a number of financial institutions having big buildings there and many still think of lower Manhattan as "The Financial District." Unless the NYSE moved uptown, there will always be those who believe that.As for the two Germanys and so forth, you have ADULTS who were born after the two Germanys became one and the USSR fizzled into what we have today. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 27 18:56:50 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:45:38 2014. Some, but not many, especially when they see up to 3 F and E trains pass them by. Having the F be express all the way will simply make it more attractive. Besides, how much more has ridership increased around that section of the F? That stretch has been crowded for decades, if not always. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 27 20:33:56 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:48:17 2014. A number of financial institutions have big buildings in Midtown Manhattan too. Probably a larger number than those that do downtown. NYSE is not the be-all, end-all of what makes a financial district in New York. And most people - inside and outside New York - know that.And like I said, the A train already stops within walking distance of the Stock Exchange. It's not a long walk from Broadway-Nassau to the Stock Exchange. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 27 20:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 27 20:33:56 2014. No doubt there are foreigners who still think the center of NYC is Wall Street. That doesn't translate into significant mass transit traffic, of course. |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Nov 27 21:49:44 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. Interesting stuff.The plan for Woodhaven Blvd, as I understand it, would completely screw up an important north-south artery for a bus service no one really wants. The Rockaway ROW sits a few blocks away without a workable northern connection. Queens Blvd local service, unfortunately, is the only thing that makes any sense at all. The express tracks can't fit it, and the LIRR doesn't want it. The idea of putting the bus lane on the ROW is interesting. It does provide less traffic for bus service, and doesn't reduce capacity on Woodhaven for everyone else. You still have the problem of where to put everyone at the north end of the ROW, and the ROW is located on the less populated side of Woodhaven. You know what the best thing to do is? Absolutely nothing. Leave it exactly like it is, except for maybe that awful left turn going south at Union Tpke. The suburbs are car dependent. Making Woodhaven Blvd unusable to cars and trucks isn't going to change that mindset, or that reality. |
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Posted by Ray Jules on Fri Nov 28 02:12:29 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:45:38 2014. no. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 28 03:58:57 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 27 20:36:28 2014. True. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 28 07:04:55 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by sloth on Thu Nov 27 21:49:44 2014. Then the RBB becomes a Queens Blvd local.From Jackson Hts to Queens Plaza, it's 4 extra minutes. Not a big deal, and they'll likely get a seat and keep it to Manhattan. They can also transfer to an Express at 74th Street, which is what one does now when they get off the Q11 and Q53 at Woodhaven Blvd/Slattery Plaza. Run the R or M on it - I don't care. |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Nov 28 08:20:44 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 28 07:04:55 2014. This is pretty outside the box for the subway, but run it local and have it skip Roosevelt. Problem solved. That one anyway. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 28 08:36:30 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by AlM on Thu Nov 27 20:36:28 2014. Movie makers know. Before 9/11/01 the establishment shot for New York City was the downtown skyline. Now it is the midtown skyline.I wonder if they will go back to the downtown skyline now that the new One World Trade Center is complete. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 28 08:51:42 2014, in response to Re: Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line/Queens Boulevard Effects, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Nov 27 18:48:17 2014. I'm not sure where Wallyhorse gets his information about NYC. He didn't know that Forest Hills Stadium still exists |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 28 16:27:26 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by sloth on Fri Nov 28 08:20:44 2014. That wouldn’t work since many of the passengers would want to change for an express at Roosevelt. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 28 23:24:18 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by sloth on Fri Nov 28 08:20:44 2014. Why would you want to skip Roosevelt? Why try to prevent transfers to/from an express? You would also be preventing transfers to/from the (7). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 29 19:59:50 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 28 16:27:26 2014. No matter what proposals are put in here, the fact is that you will be putting more trains/passengers into an already at-capacity Queens subway. It won't work! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 29 20:49:41 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 29 19:59:50 2014. The local is no where near capacity and never was. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 29 20:52:53 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 28 23:24:18 2014. You can't take away peoples options. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 29 21:34:44 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 29 19:59:50 2014. Maybe not. Many of the passengers using a revived Rockaway branch would probably be ones now coming from the connecting Woodhaven Blvd bus line so there would be few if any additional passengers. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Nov 30 01:23:06 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 23:16:18 2014. The bellmouths aim for 66 Avenue.=w= |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Nov 30 08:26:11 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 28 16:27:26 2014. Let me explain-- from what I've observed of the behavioral patterns of Queens Blvd riders, these hypothetical Rockaway locals are going to empty out at Roosevelt-- westbound. Then you'll have the same thing you always do-- packed expresses and half-empty locals, with potentially dangerous platform conditions at Roosevelt if an express is a few minutes late.The other Queens Blvd local would continue to stop at Roosevelt. The Rockaway riders wouldn't get the transfer, but they'd probably prefer this to the Q11 and Q21. Clearly I'd be the Soup Nazi of MTA planners. No transfer for you. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 30 08:53:46 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 19:32:31 2014. only if you wash&wax it .I,ll let you drive it on down to the gas station and say"fill`er up" |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 30 09:29:07 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by sloth on Sun Nov 30 08:26:11 2014. We can convert Essex - Metro Ave to 600' platforms, the latter station being a major job. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 30 09:47:12 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 29 21:34:44 2014. Might get some Jamaica el people headed to mid-Manhattan as well.A Parkside station could erode a little from the Q23, the Q54 & M at Metro Ave, and the LIRR @ Forest Hills. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 30 10:55:45 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 10:32:01 2014. The LIRR offered the City the Whitestone line ROW before abandonment. The City turned it down. A poor decision, IMHO. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Nov 30 11:29:00 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Nov 27 16:49:50 2014. You speak of the Terminal Moraine which also extends through Brooklyn, yet it doesn't seem to separate and divide Brooklyn as you claim it divides Queens.How did the City of Brooklyn develop from one of 6 villages to city that annexed all of Kings County? Here's a map circa 1900.  Key Dates in the History of Kings County (Brooklyn) 1646 Village of Breuckelen granted charter by the Dutch West India Company. 1683 Kings County and 6 towns created: Brooklyn, Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht. 1816 Village of Brooklyn incorporated within Town of Brooklyn. 1827 Village of Williamsburgh incorporated within Town of Bushwick. 1834 Town of Brooklyn (including Village of Brooklyn) becomes City of Brooklyn. Kings County now includes 1 city (Brooklyn) and 5 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1851 Village of Williamsburgh secedes from Town of Bushwick and becomes City of Williamsburgh. Kings County now includes 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 5 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1852 Town of New Lots secedes from Town of Flatbush. Kings County consists of 2 cities (Brooklyn and Williamsburgh) and 6 towns (Bushwick, Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). 1854 City of Williamsburgh and Town of Bushwick consolidated into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 5 towns (Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend, New Lots and New Utrecht). 1886 Town of New Lots annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 4 towns (Flatbush, Flatlands, Gravesend and New Utrecht). 1894 Towns of Flatbush, Gravesend and New Utrecht annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County now 1 city (Brooklyn) and 1 town (Flatlands). 1896 Town of Flatlands annexed into City of Brooklyn. Kings County and City of Brooklyn become coterminous. N.B. in 19th century Brooklyn first north and then northeast. It avoided areas south of Terminal Morain. Areas south of Terminal Morain were not anexed until 1886 and 1894. 1900 map above shows relative development between north and south of Terminal Morain. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 30 11:34:25 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 30 10:55:45 2014. The City makes a lot of poor decisions, to its own detriment. Should have permitted steam locos south of 42nd Street, besides the exceptions (Forneys on the elevated RRs and steam dummies on the former NYC west side street running tracks). Should have told the NIMBYs to take a hike with respect to the LoMEx and MidMEx. |
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