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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri Oct 31 22:36:44 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by VictorM on Fri Oct 31 11:27:43 2014. They store a gap train in between 86th and 95th Brooklyn, which they sometimes must use. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Nov 1 09:17:15 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 01:19:41 2014. I love them on the A. I'll take them over the R160s any day. Only thing, they could make the lighting brighter. They are way too dim. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Nov 2 19:22:38 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014. But are there a substantial number of Bay Ridge/South Brooklyn riders who will ride the J to Lower Manhattan? That's important to know, because the J only serves Lower Manhattan, unlike the R, which also serves Midtown.And can 95th turn both the J and R during the rush? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Nov 2 19:51:39 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 30 07:45:01 2014. thas a right purty lil' pic. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 2 20:50:22 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Nov 2 19:22:38 2014. Yes the R serves mid Manhattan, but do many people from its South Bklyn service area actually sweat it out, or do they transfer to any of the 4 Bridge trains at Pacific or Dekalb ?If the above is true, send the J/Z down there, replace the R north of Whitehall with the W. The "RJ" as such seemed to work 9/12/01 - 10/26/01, as did the "NM". |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Nov 2 22:25:55 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 2 20:50:22 2014. Without specific origin and destination information on each of the riders on the subways - that is a difficult question to answer completely, or with good solid numbers.However, at best it is easy to say that there are range of "different riders" of the R-train. Admittedly some R-train riders from south of 59th Street headed to Manhattan immediately bale on the R-train for the N-train express to Manhattan that makes local stops. At the 86th Street station, the R-train also gets a healthy dose of riders from Staten Island buses headed to Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn. Some R-train riders from south of 59th Street are headed to downtown stations - where staying on the R-train may be or is the better option. The R-train of course will gain riders at the local stations from 59th Street to 36th Street to Atlantic Avenue, and from transfers from the F and G trains. Some of these R-train riders due to their destinations will switch to the N or D trains, while some will remain on the R-train. In addition some riders from the N or D trains may indeed switch to the R-train for downtown destinations, as well as riders from the B and Q trains at the DeKalb Avenue station. And yes, some R-train riders transfer to/from the #4 and #5 trains, to/from the A, C and F trains. I do know that the R-train usually has good amount of folks on it when it reaches the Whitehall Street station for the trip uptown. The R-trains gets a range of riders on its journey. Mike |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Nov 3 10:37:16 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 18:28:28 2014. How about the commuters on the Gladstone Branch who pay $300-$400 a month to ride the old MU's? |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Nov 3 11:56:55 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Nov 3 10:37:16 2014. In NYC MTA passengers pay only $220. a month to ride a comfortable MCI or Prevost express coach with unlimited riding. Can't beat it. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Nov 3 13:31:08 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by northshore on Mon Nov 3 11:56:55 2014. Everything is relative. In NYC, some people prefer express buses to subway trains. In the suburbs, most commuters prefer taking commuter trains than commuter buses. But in the case of the Gladstone Branch, that line goes through some very wealthy areas and uses mostly the oldest equipment NJT has... And the MU's look a lot older and run down than the R-46's do... |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Nov 3 16:54:15 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 2 20:50:22 2014. The 2001 "RJ" worked, because that was the most convenient way to keep trains serving the 4th Ave local and Bay Ridge and the only merge that the J had to deal with in south Brooklyn was the extended M at 59th/4th.But in a hypothetical case where the J is extended to Bay Ridge, it must merge with the existing R at the Montague Tunnel and then both the J and the R would have to turn at 95th St. Is that a workable solution to address the "erratic" issues with the current R service? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 3 18:17:36 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Nov 3 16:54:15 2014. Another problem with a Nassau St R is that Bway R trains can be 600 ft whereas Eastern Div trains MUST be 8 X 60 footers max. Back when there was a regular Nassau RR that ran along with the Bway RR, both services were 8 X 60 footers and if a nassau RR went bad on the stand at 95, a Bway RR was supposed to be substituted, With the current situation, that can no longer be the case so its better to leave the 4 Av lcl to Bway service only. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 3 18:57:40 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 3 18:17:36 2014. So, close down the last 2 cars. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 3 19:05:26 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Nov 3 16:54:15 2014. I would not send the J to South Bklyn unless the R goes away south of Whitehall. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 3 19:46:54 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 3 19:05:26 2014. So, no trains from Whitehall to Brooklyn any more? |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Nov 3 21:01:00 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 3 19:46:54 2014. Maybe the answer is split the R into two sections: 71/CTL - Whitehall (up until midnight), and Chambers-95th (24/7). The passageway at Cortlandt-Fulton should be opening up later this year for the very few people who want the transfer between the Queens R and the Brooklyn R.This will make for much more reliable service. And prevent increased headways (on the Chambers-95th portion) due to ongoing Queens Blvd E/F/R weekend track work. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 3 21:49:58 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Nov 3 21:01:00 2014. So no thru service to/from Brooklyn for those who are starting or ending their trips at City Hall, Cortlandt, Rector & Whitehall?Unacceptable. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Nov 3 22:42:20 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Nov 3 21:01:00 2014. I'd rather cut it back to 57/7 - run the R 95 St-57 St via tunnel 18/7, the W 71 Av - Whitehall 18/7. This saves Brooklyn service from being killed by Queens issues and vice versa. To compensate for extra Broadway local service, make the N express when the R and W are running. Late night service is the same as now. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 3 23:32:18 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by K. Trout on Mon Nov 3 22:42:20 2014. I like this plan better. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 4 00:49:58 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 3 18:17:36 2014. Well, we are talking about an extended J,not R.Why not run the J there 24/7, |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 4 09:43:44 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Nov 3 21:01:00 2014. The Cortlandt-Fulton passageway will be outside fare control, not a free transfer. So that really is no substitute for thru service. The R is currently the only 4th Ave. local, except during late nights. If the J also ran to 95 St. during the day, it would have no merges at all to deal with on the Brooklyn side of the river. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 4 11:45:00 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by italianstallion on Mon Nov 3 18:57:40 2014. Easier said than done especially since the R runs mostly 75 footers. The problem also is that the signal system in the Eastern is set for 480 ft trains so a 1220 ft overhang would impact on the signal system and the location of switches. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 4 11:46:54 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by K. Trout on Mon Nov 3 22:42:20 2014. The problem will come in when the Q starts running to the SAS and then 57/7 will no longer be able to be used to turn back trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 18:21:07 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Nov 3 21:49:58 2014. Why more unacceptable than nothing from Canal, Chambers, Fulton, and Broad ? More office space is near the Nassau Street line anyway.Bill, It seems your are opposed to anything and everything involving change, including the V/M merger 4-1/2 years ago. What is unacceptable is R train performance. Throwing ones hands up in the air and so "too many handoffs, nothing can be done" is no an answer. It is very easy to say "no", quite a different matter than actually being in favor of something. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Nov 4 19:57:09 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 18:21:07 2014. Is there a market though for this once existing service? Bay Ridge appears to be a small tucked away neighborhood from looking at a map. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 20:04:24 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BusRider on Tue Nov 4 19:57:09 2014. The point is it would be this service verses one along Trinity Place, and they are a few short blocks apart. It is hard to determine what there is a market for when you don't run the service, or run them competing with one another, or even know the O&D data as to what Bay Ridge and Staten Island passengers on the R train do when headed to midtown.What we do know: 1) the J train run as the solo Montague service was reliable. 2) the R train run as the solo Montague service is a disaster. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Nov 4 21:59:45 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 20:04:24 2014. It looks good on paper but being I'm not from there I'm not confident with the operations.The J doesn't really serve Manhattan as much as the R currently. When the RJ ran wasn't there two services, which can't be revitalized I assume from past posts regarding infrastructure changes? Compared to the Sea Beach, Culver, and Brighton is there train space to warrant any additional service without affecting many other passengers on other lines traveling to Manhattan which is a major Ridership generator? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 5 01:01:23 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 18:21:07 2014. I kinda notice that,too.But,it is his opinion after all,and how that translates to actual service patterns is a horse of a different color. One another note,service levels have never returned to what we had during the mid 70's...even though there are more riders today using the system. In other words,we are paying much more for far less. Its a shame how the MTA is willing to allow a potential accident at Canal st just to save a few bucks. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 11:25:39 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 18:21:07 2014. I was against the M/V merger because it was a service cut on the M between Essex and Bay Pky. Amazing so many want it back all of a sudden today. You guys don't understand MTA finances. The MTA wasn't going to reopen the link between Essex & B'way/Laf AND continue with traditional M service.This is why I get in trouble here about service plans. I should really keep my mouth shut. How many times do I need to say this: service plans are dictated by maximum productivity for the crews. And this is what NYCT has going for them today. In the Montague tube you guys want the R to halt at Whitehall and have the J go to 95 despite the fact that during the M/R days the R had more ridership leaving Whitehall than the M had leaving Broad. Now you're telling me passengers going thru the Montague to/from CHL, Cortlandt, Rector & Whitehall won't have a service cutback with you guys turning the R Mat Whitehall? All you guys are doing is solving one problem and creating another. J to 95 makes the line longer so now you fixed the R but causing a problem elsewhere. The longer the line, the less reliable it is. Amazing I'm the bad guy here with you bringing up stuff I said 4 1/2 years ago. Sounds like it's personal. A grudge. You, Joe V, have said a lot of stuff I disagree with, but I surely don't keep a log of it like you do. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 11:31:42 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 4 20:04:24 2014. Fine. Write a letter to MTA/NYCT, not an Email either and suggest it. Let us know their response.Then Gentile will bitch about all these new standees and jam packed trains since they are now 480'. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 12:06:47 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 11:25:39 2014. If the M was not combined with the V we would not be having this discussion about why R service sucks.This is because when other services had delays, especially the R, supervision would steal an M and send it to 95. Now you no longer have this option. It seems I am so evil for expressing my opinion around here. Excuse me. Frankly, especially since I have retired, I don't care what they do. All I'm saying is you can't solve one problem and cause another. My 34 years experience has taught what the bureaucratic mindset is: right or wrong. Ridership is insane yet with all your fare discounts, sharing unlimited cards, and fare evasion revenue to make improvements is not where it should be. |
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Posted by Lance52 on Wed Nov 5 17:24:11 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BusRider on Tue Nov 4 21:59:45 2014. Are we talking about the '67 RJ or it's short resurrection in Sept.-Oct. 2001? The original version as part of the new Chrystie routes was a rush-hour only route that ran in the direction of traffic (northbound during the AM, south in the PM) as a supplement to the RR. The version that came about following Sept. 11th ran alone because service from Broadway was shut down because of the line's proximity to the World Trade Center.The problem isn't solely terminal capacity. That can be solved by terminating this hypothetical J train at 59 St and using the middle track on Sea Beach to reverse back onto 4th Avenue. Of course, there would still be only one line south of 59 St/4 Av, but I'm just tossing ideas about. The problem is this call for Nassau St to be the only line serving 4th Avenue. I can get behind having another local service on 4th Avenue, but I can't see Broadway service being eliminated entirely in favor of Nassau St service. Historically and up until it's elimination in 2010, the M was lightly used for most of the time it ran. The only times it saw significant ridership was during the Manhattan Bridge closures (north side specifically), where riders were using it as an alternative between Chinatown and the West End line, and during the Sept. 11th contingency, where there was no other option available besides running the Sea Beach and 4th Avenue lines as shuttles. With neither of these in play, I cannot see riders welcoming the return of Nassau-only service as the 4th Avenue local, even if it does speed up the trains somewhat. That time saved will be eaten by transfers to the IRT at Court St/Borough Hall or to the R line at Canal St. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 5 19:04:31 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lance52 on Wed Nov 5 17:24:11 2014. The original RJs did not only run in the direction of peak rush hour traffic. the original Nov 1967 schedules called for the first 5 trains from jamaica into the Nassau Cut to be Rjs which returned N/B and laid up mostly at E/Pky. The 5 PM S/B Rjs returned N/B back to Jamaica where they laid up and I’m not sure but I believe they were the last N/B trains from the Nassau Cut to Jamaica before Southern Div service to Jamaica ended for the night. The following spring, the RJ service was eliminated and was replaced by the RR/Nassau St service which operated to/from Chambers St in the peak direction of traffic. Even that service had its variations since 5 RR specials ran light back to Chambers St where they laid up on the H tracks N/O the station. The following AM those trains ran in service from Chambers St to 95 St where they went in service back N/B as rush hour specials. Although the trains carried “RR” signs, tower and road supervisory personnel continued to refer to them as “RJs” when passing information. Some time during the course of the RR/Nassau’s service life, various schedule adjustments were made and selected RR/Nassau Specials ran all the way to Metropolitan Av probably because they were needed for S/B M service, but it’s been so long, I can’t remember exactly why it was done. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:13:11 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 11:31:42 2014. Did they bitch about being jam packed in 480' trains run every 8 minutes between 9/11/01 and 10/26/01 ? Were they jammed packed ? I don't recall that, but that they preferred the more reliable train. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:18:49 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:13:11 2014. Due to 9/11 I think the public was more tolerant for awhile. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:27:10 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:18:49 2014. All I am saying is that it is worth doing marketing and operational studies. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 5 19:27:20 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lance52 on Wed Nov 5 17:24:11 2014. There are several points that I am in agreement with, concerning the R-train, and its usage in south Brooklyn.Yes, there are clearly several issues with the MTA's finances and issues related to its workforce. There are issues of history, ridership trends, the amount of options on certain transit lines, etc. There are other issues that have not been talked about. Then there is also the idea that some of these "transit route schemes" basically has a snowball's chance in hell of ever being enacted. Yes, the orange M-train is an exception, but a rare one. So why have a discussion about the "new idea of a transit route scheme"? One, to have something to talk about. Two, to share ideas of "what if" and that might work or not work in the real world. Three, to briefly think about what you would do IF you were in charge. Fourth, to be truly glad that you're not actually in charge when all kinds of indescribable junk hits the fan when things go wrong. Fifth, to know that somebody somewhere is interested in some of the same stuff that you're interested in. Sixth, to be able to argue and fuss over transit stuff! Let the petty bickering continue! (Smile) Mike |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:35:21 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:27:10 2014. NYCT can do whatever they want. I could be wrong but I thought NYCT told Gentile they would do a full review of the R. But right now I believe they are doing the A/C or if not yet, they will be the next to be done.I am not in the business of improving one route at the expense of another. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:40:30 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:13:11 2014. N line riders suffered just as much. And there were more stations than the R involved south of 59/4 with most stairways being at the end of stations so in the PM, and I was working the M during the 9/11 changes, the end cars were overpacked to the point of doors not closing in the PM rush due to 480' trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:45:12 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:40:30 2014. How often did the M run as opposed to the usual N ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 20:32:01 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 5 19:45:12 2014. I believe it matched the J headways. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 6 02:41:24 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Nov 5 19:35:21 2014. Understood.I also understand his point,but I rather see this done another way. Leave the R alone,run the J as a support route for Brooklyn Fourth ave local as far as 36st |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 07:49:40 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Wed Nov 5 19:27:20 2014. The (R) of the LION.The (RR) is a train that I have generally avoided. I rode it once in the `60s and ended up in Vietnam. Weird train. But look at how the railroad is constructed and you will see what has to be in order to keep the thing working smoothly. LION speaks of the layout of the rails, switches, towers, and signals. Each time you divert a train from one track to another, especially at flat junctions, you slow the whole world down. Eventually it will stop spinning and fall into the sun, so it is better to keep the trains moving efficiently. The (RR) is the Broadway/Fourth Avenue Local and there is nothing that can be done to change this. If it is sent to Astoria instead of to Continental, then it will ride on its own track for 100% of its route and would have no other train joining or leaving its tracks. An exclusive routing just like the (L) train. No switch towers needed except at the terminals. Can you say CBTC. Especially if it is sent to Astoria it would need higher frequencies. Some can be short turned at Whitehall. Saturate the line with RR service, all that the Astoria terminal can handle. The Broadway Express trains use the Bridge, and 63rd Street, the Broadway Local uses the Tunnel and 60th Street. Because of this the (N) train, an express, would run via the 63rd street tunnel and out to Continental via queens local. but of course will miss Queens Plaza. Too Bad, so sad. The (Q) train runs to 125th Street (or whatever) via the 63rd Street connection and Second Avenue. LION thinks that Second Avenue will require more service than just the (Q) train. Maybe the (N) must go that way too, in which case we will leave the IND to serve the Queensboro routing with out a boost from the BMT. Put more service on the (M) train, problem solved. LION KNOWS all about the problems with the layup of the (RR) with an Astoria-Ft Hamilton routing. Yes something must be done. LION would expand yards at 39th Street to layup and service the (RR) trains there. OOS trains would enter on the lower level then relay to one of three yards: (East of the station, north of the station, up the ramp, and west of the station perhaps out on one of the piers, the tracks are already there, you know. Between these places you could lay up and maintain all all of the trains that you like, and they would have easy access to Coney Island for the heavy work. NASSAU BROAD STREET. Well the Nassau loop made sense, but it is gone, and little else makes sense. Let it be the (JJ) terminal and be done with it. Just because tracks are there, does not mean that you have to use them. Boardings on the subway are double what they were 30 years ago: They will grow. Making more intricate routings will slow things down, keep it simple, keep it fast. KEEP IT SIMPLE: KEEP IT FAST! ROAR |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 6 08:28:51 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 07:49:40 2014. The (RR) is a train that I have generally avoided. I rode it once in the `60s and ended up in Vietnam.Ended up in Viet-nam? What did you get off the train, Fort Hamilton? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 09:45:01 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 6 08:28:51 2014. Got off the train at Whitehall Street.ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 6 12:52:05 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 07:49:40 2014. The problem with using 36 St Yd for R layups is that after the PM rush and prior to the AM rush, Put ins and layups would still have to turn on the N/B exp tk N/O 36 St blocking the mainline. Also. 36 St Yd does not have an inspection/maintenance facility so trains needing maintenance would still have to go to CIY anyhow. Access to a maintenance facility was the principal reason why in the 1980s, the south terminals of the 2 and 3 were changed so that the 3 would have access to N/Lts barn. Prior to that #3 trains were inspected.serviced at 240 barn requiring trains requiring maintenance/inspection to have to go from 148 St to 96 St and turn back to 240. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 13:00:14 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by randyo on Thu Nov 6 12:52:05 2014. LION *knows* the reason why the RR was taken out of Astoria. Him does not want to hear about it, him wants to find ways to MAKE IT WORK! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 6 13:16:27 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 09:45:01 2014. Got off the train at Whitehall Street.Same here except I was on the No. 5. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 13:29:07 2014, in response to Re: (RL) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 6 13:00:14 2014. LION has examined the 39th Street area. An (RR) train going out of service at 36th Street proceeds into the 9th Avenue station on the lower level. The train is fumigated at 9th Avenue and any dead geese can be put off there and go upstairs to get another train. [Ergo 9th Ave is actually the last stop]. The fumigated equipment proceeds east into the lead that is used by the refuse trains, and it appears to me that there is a full 800+ feet there. The train then reverses direction and travels via a new by-pass track to the leads to the 39th Street Yard. It appears to the LION that space can be made for them, and a new repair facility can be built there. It is not a problem to the LION.ROAR |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Nov 6 13:31:59 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. Two months after R-train service to Manhattan resumed, straphangers are complaining that service along the line has gotten worse, with trains bunching in stations and long delays at other times.I couldn't agree more. When the "R" ran only between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street it was always reliable. Even its Brooklyn cousin wasn't so bad. Now that the tunnel has re-opened the "R" has slipped back into its usual bad habits. It shows up when its wants to. Bring back the "W". Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Nov 6 14:51:37 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lance52 on Wed Nov 5 17:24:11 2014. I agree that getting rid of Bway/4th Ave Local service completely isn't going to solve the problem of erratic R service. Because you'll be trading one long line (the R) for another (the extended J). You'd also have to run more J trains, as the J runs less frequently and with shorter trains than the R (save for the one hour during both am and pm rush when there is J/Z skip-stop service).I like your suggestion to run the J as far south as 59th, then have it reverse back onto 4th Ave using the Sea Beach middle track. That at least gives some local stations south of 36th extra service. |
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