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Re: (R) train service still sucks

Posted by Lance52 on Wed Nov 5 17:24:11 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BusRider on Tue Nov 4 21:59:45 2014.

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Are we talking about the '67 RJ or it's short resurrection in Sept.-Oct. 2001? The original version as part of the new Chrystie routes was a rush-hour only route that ran in the direction of traffic (northbound during the AM, south in the PM) as a supplement to the RR. The version that came about following Sept. 11th ran alone because service from Broadway was shut down because of the line's proximity to the World Trade Center.

The problem isn't solely terminal capacity. That can be solved by terminating this hypothetical J train at 59 St and using the middle track on Sea Beach to reverse back onto 4th Avenue. Of course, there would still be only one line south of 59 St/4 Av, but I'm just tossing ideas about.

The problem is this call for Nassau St to be the only line serving 4th Avenue. I can get behind having another local service on 4th Avenue, but I can't see Broadway service being eliminated entirely in favor of Nassau St service. Historically and up until it's elimination in 2010, the M was lightly used for most of the time it ran. The only times it saw significant ridership was during the Manhattan Bridge closures (north side specifically), where riders were using it as an alternative between Chinatown and the West End line, and during the Sept. 11th contingency, where there was no other option available besides running the Sea Beach and 4th Avenue lines as shuttles. With neither of these in play, I cannot see riders welcoming the return of Nassau-only service as the 4th Avenue local, even if it does speed up the trains somewhat. That time saved will be eaten by transfers to the IRT at Court St/Borough Hall or to the R line at Canal St.

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