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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 30 15:13:27 2014, in response to (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 12:10:47 2014. "They were working on the electrified third rail cable when the cable came into contact with the rail, causing an electrical explosion"Since there were no trains south of Grand Central during that time, why wasn't the power turned off? |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 16:17:17 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by Allan on Thu Oct 30 15:13:27 2014. I'm sure some attorneys will be asking that exact same question. OSHA requirements of lockouts and all not withstanding. |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:05:37 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 30 16:17:17 2014. Whose responsibility is it to turn on/turn off the power? This sounds like real trouble to me... >_< |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 00:09:14 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:05:37 2014. There's supposed to be a superintendent with the crew, a "manager" if you will, but it's the power department at the MTA that's supposed to remove and restore power. There are panic switches just outside the stations as well on the tracks that can trip the power as well and there's supposed to be 600 volt monitors on the third rail, attached to it that are supposed to alarm if power is restored.BIG fail here. :( |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:44:02 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 00:09:14 2014. And at what point in one's career in RTO is one supposed to learn about these panic switches?Is it something they tell you about when they train you to be a superintendent if you are eligible to promote to a superintendent position? It does not seem like something they would tell you about while training you for any positions below superintendent, except maybe track worker or something. Would this be a superintendent who had to have been a track worker before? Does this superintendent always have to be from a particular department within the MTA/RTO? When you said "the power department at the MTA," were you referring to the power department within RTO? (It is just that I would think something like this would only concern RTO, not any other part of NYCT or MTA, but I wanted to make sure this is correct.) Also I imagine that the superintendent down there is supposed to attach those 600 V monitors to the third rail? Or are these permanently attached monitors? I feel a need to create my own encyclopedia of important safety information related to this stuff since it seems like there are so many things that can go wrong if a supervisor or superintendent is not on-point. Ack. |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Oct 31 00:57:04 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:44:02 2014. I thought I remember reading about them leaving the power on during Fastrack for work trains and as a power source for some tools? |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 01:56:31 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:44:02 2014. Station agents were taught about them, when I was in motors and even prior as a conductor, I was taught about them during track safety. As to MOW (now called "track" I suppose), they were the ones that would put the alarms up on the protection boards in the vicinity of work crews. Hopefully someone currently with the show will fill in the details as to how it works these days ... |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 02:02:08 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 01:56:31 2014. Okay. Thanks for the information. |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Oct 31 08:08:33 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 01:56:31 2014. Don't forget the rubber mat over the third rail, guess you can't do that if you are working on it...Blue Light, doesn't that mean there is a phone and/or power cut off and/or fire extinguisher? Why does only Stupidintendent know about it? |
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Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 15:21:01 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Oct 31 08:08:33 2014. I actually meant foreman for the work crew, not MTA wigs there. We can even go with crew leader there if we must. Whoever is in charge of the work site. Rule number one in electricals, power off. If there is even the remotest chance that someone else might restore power, then you've got to lock out the breaker so that no one can restore it until it's safe.Civil service titles. Whoops. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Oct 31 15:23:52 2014, in response to Re: (4)(5)(6) FASTRACK problem: 4 workers burned while doing work on third rail, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Oct 31 08:08:33 2014. Blue light usually meant phone (and possibly power remove switch as well). A friendly beacon to the motormen that there's a box on a pillar that MIGHT contain the remains of a phone that was once there. :) |
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